America...you have a problem...

"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone)
09/15/2020 at 14:01 • Filed to: None

DISCUSSION (78)

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 14:06

“ Why should people get paid to go on vacation.” The poeple with employees

Tripper > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 14:08

lol 40 days what a fucking life that would be

CalzoneGolem > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 14:09

Just this one? Oh good. I thought we were really in trouble there for a minute.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
09/15/2020 at 14:09

Because people are not machines?

fintail > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 14:10

Work harder, bootstraps, build it yourself, commies/socialists/takers, why do you hate the rich, etc.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 14:13

Yeah but think about how much more we get done!

Any of yall Europeans want to adopt me? Also, we don’t get more work done.

ranwhenparked > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 14:13

I get 16, but waited too late in the year to plan things out (with COVID restrictions, there didn't seem to be much worth doing), now I'm not sure I'll be able to figure out a way to use them all. Especially since November and December are so holiday heavy to begin with. I think I can see a way to use 6 days in December, but I'll still have another 5 to work in somewhere. My fault for not liking the idea of taking time off for the sake of it, I like to have something to "do" , and working around the house or watching TV just don't qualify, frankly I'd rather be at work if that's the alternative.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 14:13

What would people say is the norm for non-mandatory vacation in the US? 0 weeks? Two weeks?

Curious as to what our American friends usually get as part of their compensation packages

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 14:16

No they are less reliable

For Sweden > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 14:16

It’s true. Americans are banned from vacations.

jminer > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 14:17

We have lots of problems, this is definitely one of them.

I was just thinking that I have way more vacation than most do here and I have 20 days.

Future ND Owner > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
09/15/2020 at 14:18

T wo weeks (10 days) is standard for most office jobs. As you move up in most companies you get bumped up to 3 or even 4 weeks.

If you are an hourly employee you almost never get any paid vacation.

Our system is broken.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
09/15/2020 at 14:18

Seems like 2 weeks + 10 holidays + sick time is standard beginning (young worker, no experience) for many positions (not low-wage hourly, which often have no paid vacation).

Then, with time - 3 weeks, then 4, then maybe 5 or 6.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > fintail
09/15/2020 at 14:19

Something something grind don’t stop

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
09/15/2020 at 14:23

You can stop working 50 hours a week when you’re too old to enjoy your time off and you’ll like it.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Tripper
09/15/2020 at 14:24

I just asked my wife if she wants to move to Spain.

Grindintosecond > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 14:25

I would like to know rates of a nations workforce, salary vs. hourly. That may point to rates of paid vacation vs. unpaid. Hmm

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
09/15/2020 at 14:25

10 days of non-rolling vacation + 10 days of rollable sick leave.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 14:26

For the brief time that I had a salary job I had 5 paid vacation days, and Iirc you go an additional one every year you worked for the company.

So, according to this, after 35 years, of loyally working 50 hours a week, you’d have as a McDonald’s frycook in Spain.

Tripper > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
09/15/2020 at 14:27

What he said. I got 10 days when I started and 15 days when I hit 5 years 20 when I hit 10 years. I consider myself really lucky for that. We start at 15 now, we have more than doubled in size since I joined.

Also I’m part of a group allowed “flex time” which basically means as long as I pick up the phone, no one cares where I am...the trick is no one tells you when it’s not ok to take “flex time”...you gotta play “ the game” and be good at it. luckily (or unfortunately) depending on how you look at it, I’m good at it.

For Sweden > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
09/15/2020 at 14:28

How do you feel about an impending civil war?

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Future ND Owner
09/15/2020 at 14:28

That’s exactly what we get here, albeit with more statutory (mandated) holidays.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
09/15/2020 at 14:29

You have to have a full time, usually salary, job before you get any kind of paid vacation. Then it’s usually 1 week to start and grows if you continue to work for the company.

I think that’s pretty common.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Grindintosecond
09/15/2020 at 14:29

I’d also like to know what proportion of those employed in the US have this built right into their contracts anyways.

Future ND Owner > For Sweden
09/15/2020 at 14:29

The one in Spain or the USA?

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > For Sweden
09/15/2020 at 14:30

I mean that’s going on here too

Tripper > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
09/15/2020 at 14:31

Holland is our dream.

For Sweden > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
09/15/2020 at 14:31

It could happen in either country, but the Russians and Germans won’t send weapons to an American civil war.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Tripper
09/15/2020 at 14:33

This. The goal in the US is to get a job where, as long as you get your shit done, how much your ass is in your chair at work doesn’t really matter.

Michael > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
09/15/2020 at 14:33

I’m at 10 days paid holidays, 3 weeks(15 days) paid vacation, 1 week unpaid if I want it, and I think a day or two off if I need it to volunteer at a charitable organization. USA, 10 years engineering experience

No paternity/maternity leave though.

CobraJoe > ranwhenparked
09/15/2020 at 14:39

I think I can see a way to use 6 days in December, but I’ll still have another 5 to work in somewhere.

Simple solution: Take monday off for 5 weeks in a row.

So many 3 day weekends!

My fault for not liking the idea of taking time off for the sake of it, I like to have something to “do” , and working around the house or watching TV just don’t qualify, frankly I’d rather be at work if that’s the alternative.

There is something worthwh ile about taking a day off just to work on a project or repair you have been avoiding.

You get the benefit of the job getting done, the knowledge that you literally have all day to do it, and it’s nice to break the routine every now and then.

CalzoneGolem > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
09/15/2020 at 14:41

After reading through this thread I don’t want to tell you how many days off I have. I’m allowed to bank one week of time to roll over so if I used all my time in one year it would be like I lived in S pain.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
09/15/2020 at 14:46

I’m at 208 hrs of PTO/year. That’s a combination of sick and paid vacation, not including holidays. I think I have 9 paid holidays so total of 280 hrs of paid leave/year. I typically use about 2-3 week of my PTO/year.

Jb boin > Grindintosecond
09/15/2020 at 14:47

As most countries have unemployment benefits, if you have a part-time or temporary job you will still get paid when you are not working (which is not supposed to be “vacations ” but active search for a job ) .

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
09/15/2020 at 14:49

Dude... do you bank what you don’t use?

MoCamino > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
09/15/2020 at 14:50

Where I work, you start with 19 days PTO that you can use for sick leave or vacation time - your choice. The amount increases with tenure and after 10 years you have 29 days. I can’t complain. :)

ranwhenparked > CobraJoe
09/15/2020 at 14:52

Eh, maybe, I’m not really one to do that. I don’t have issues getting shit done on weekends, plus afternoons when the sun’s out. Also, my company gives us a half day off all summer on Friday, which is nice, but it also means that taking a 3 day weekend only uses 1/2 a day of vacation. My problem this year was “saving” my days to wait and see if there’d be anything worth doing later in the year (temporary 2 week shutdown to preserve hospital capacity, turned into 3 month stay home order, turned into we’ll open most things up, but not the sort of things you’d take time off work to do - you can get your teeth cleaned, hair cut, and go to the dry cleaners, but 90+% of fun/entertainment stuff is closed or canceled). For the longest time, things were just being “postponed” to later in the year, so a wait and see approach seemed to make some sense.

As long as Florida doesn't shut down again, looks like I can at least take my normal Christmas/New Year vacation to either Coral Gables or Key West.

Also, one mistake I made was quitting and coming back in a little over a year later - I had accr ued 20 days, but didn’t get all my seniority back.

Jb boin > Tripper
09/15/2020 at 14:55

Well, in here you only have 2.08 days per months but it’s if you are at the stan dard 35h/week, if you do 37 or 39h/week you can have additional (half) days (something like additional 10 days at most).

And there are many non working (but paid) holidays, for example, there a 9 during weekdays in 2020, one that is a Saturday and two Sundays (not to mention that in most jobs, working one of these days is paid sensibly more, as well as Sundays , if you have to work a day that is both it could be 200% the normal wage).

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/15/2020 at 14:57

I just used 60 hrs and I still have 165 in the bank. They stop roll over around 320 hrs I think. I tend to take lots of 1/2 or single days off in the winter for skiing and Fridays in the summer for bike ridding. I guess my point is I don’t take a lot of extended vacations like >1 week but tend to take a lot of 1 to 1/2 days. It’s extremely difficult for me to use it all.

My bird IS the word > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 14:58

Most everyone I know with a salaried position, and even many hourly, get paid vacation. It just isn't mandatory

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden
09/15/2020 at 14:59

You may jest but the economic disparity and political divisions are at an all time high. I’ve never thought it could happen again but here we are...

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > MoCamino
09/15/2020 at 15:00

Yikes. I would complain... rolling sick and holiday together is wrong

For Sweden > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
09/15/2020 at 15:00

If the Basque country tries to go independent again all bets are off

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Tripper
09/15/2020 at 15:01

I get 24 and I have to make an effort to use them all.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden
09/15/2020 at 15:03

What can a bunch of sheep herders do?

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
09/15/2020 at 15:03

I’m at a Fortune 50, get 3 weeks. After something like 8 years of service it bumps up to 4 weeks.

p.s. will also add that every 4 years I become eligible 1 month sabbatical as well, or if you go 7 years it gets bumped up to 2 months. Actually just reached my 4 year mark, but thanks COVID!

Future next gen S2000 owner > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 15:05

I’d be down for Sweden but the missus says no.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
09/15/2020 at 15:09

At least you’re not losing any (so far)!

AestheticsInMotion > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
09/15/2020 at 15:14

Washington state is pretty progressive as far as benefits go, and just in the past few years they’ve enacted a mandatory paid sick leave that accrues at a rate of 1 hour per week. So 6.5 days of paid sick leave per year, employer can choose whether or not to allow it to be used as PTO, does not roll over.

We’re pretty backwards.

dogisbadob > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 15:16

couldn’ t use a non-Instagram source so you can see them all in one pic? :p

Fuck Instagram’s size limits, and the no paid vacation in the US too

Darkbrador > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
09/15/2020 at 15:18

Be ca use well rested and h appy employees are smarter and more productive than exhausted and miserable employees ?

Mid Engine > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
09/15/2020 at 15:39

4.5 weeks per year, allowed to carry over one week into next year. Common for high tech to be generous with paid time off.

RallyWrench > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/15/2020 at 15:39

Hahaha 10 holidays ha good one haha hahaha ha... uh... heh... FML.

Pickup_man > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
09/15/2020 at 15:43

I’ve been at my company just shy of six years and I get a standard 5 weeks (not including the holidays) plus some rollover if I didn’t use them the previous year. That’s PTO so it covers vacations/sick days etc. That’s considered very good, especially for not having been here that long.

DipodomysDeserti > For Sweden
09/15/2020 at 15:45

Well, the Germans won’t.

gin-san - shitpost specialist > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 15:49

Canada is pretty decent in that 2 weeks is standard and most good workplaces will start you at 3 weeks (like my company).

I’m currently on 5 weeks and if I stick around for another 5 years (which is very possible) I’ll be at the maximum of 6 weeks. You could potentially get even more with compressed schedules and such but I’m find with a regular 35 hour work week.

5 weeks, though, is enough for me to take a nice, international trip and still have time leftover for additional long weekends here and there. Now that I have it, I could never settle for less.

DipodomysDeserti > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
09/15/2020 at 15:49

End fascist r ule?

Kinja'd!!!

For Sweden > DipodomysDeserti
09/15/2020 at 15:51

She won’t let someone wage war on an EU debt or lol

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > RallyWrench
09/15/2020 at 15:51

Ugh... that sucks. H ow many days is your shop closed every year?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > RallyWrench
09/15/2020 at 15:53

And hey! My dad finally found the VIN for his old 356! Do you know anyone with paid access to the registry that could do a lookup for me? I’m really hoping his car is a survivor...

BigBlock440 > My bird IS the word
09/15/2020 at 16:05

But it’s not coming from big government, so it’s a problem.

MoCamino > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
09/15/2020 at 16:26

It’s actually not bad. On top of the 29 days, I get all the standard bank holidays. I actually have to pay attention to what I have in the bank to make sure I don’t lose any at the end of the year. There again, I don’t get sick much and the only kid we have left at home is old enough that we don’t have to worry about staying home with her if she’s sick.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Darkbrador
09/15/2020 at 16:49

You’re thinking far to logically.

LongbowMkII > For Sweden
09/15/2020 at 17:26

Yeah we’re pretty self sufficient

BaconSandwich is tasty. > gin-san - shitpost specialist
09/15/2020 at 17:34

Lucky. I’ve been with the company 5+ years, and dong 40+ hours a week . I’m at 3 weeks a year. Although I’m intentionally hoping that they’ll eventually pay us out, as I’ve got a lot of vacation time I haven’t yet taken, and I’ve been rolling it over for the past year or two.

EL_ULY > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
09/15/2020 at 17:51

WTF is this word...”vacation ”? ....time...” off”?

Witchraft!

Fuckkinja > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
09/15/2020 at 17:58

Paid vacations are just an employers way of keeping your wage lower. I will take unpaid vacations and a higher wage. I can save money for my vacations if I want. That has always my bargaining chip.

But now I am the employer. I pay by the project. No way I will deal with employees again.

BigBlock440 > Future ND Owner
09/15/2020 at 20:49

Most hourly employees get just as much PTO, except maybe minimum wage service sector employees.

Stef Schrader > DipodomysDeserti
09/16/2020 at 00:52

{ looks at Germany’s stats here }

...

{ reopens tab with houses for rent near the Nürburgring }

pip bip - choose Corrour > Tripper
09/16/2020 at 04:10

i’m happy with my 4 weeks annual leave.

RallyWrench > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/16/2020 at 12:25

6 , * if* Christmas, New Years, and the 4th of July fall on weekdays. If not, just Memorial Day, Labor Day, and Thanksgiving.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > RallyWrench
09/16/2020 at 12:34

Joys of the service industry... Any luck finding that investor to back you to open your own shop?

RallyWrench > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/16/2020 at 12:40

I know a few guys, just saw your other post so I’ll grab the VIN and check.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > RallyWrench
09/16/2020 at 13:03

Thank you!! It would mean a lot to find it.

RallyWrench > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/16/2020 at 13:14

Did a fair bit of homework on that while I was out recovering. Now isn’t the time to ask for new business money but I have some numbers now, so at least I feel like i’ve made some progress and used this time. There was a great building that came up for sale that really got me thinking, too.

Thanks for asking about recovery btw, kinja wouldn’t let me access the other comment so I’ll just condense things here. Recovery is ok, back at work now out of necessity but I live on ice and ibuprofen. Can’t drive stick for another month, can’t ride a bike for another 6 weeks at least. Kinda sucks, but thankful it wasn’t worse.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > RallyWrench
09/16/2020 at 13:21

No time like the present... With potential longer recession looming, those with cash may want some of it in a safer place than the stock market...

Glad you’re improving. Hope you’re back to 100% soon.

RallyWrench > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
09/16/2020 at 17:54

True, and I expect that’s exactly what’s coming. I suppose I’m just not comfortable being beholden to other people’s money, and thus their influence on a dream I’ve had forever.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > RallyWrench
09/16/2020 at 18:02

Yeah, I get that. You just have to find someone like-minded who wants you to succeed, and is willing to let you earn your ownership in the company. Maybe three of your best, most-trusted clients in a 4-way partnership with you? I don’t know... maybe too many cooks in the kitchen. Maybe one partner is best.