Political Process Question

"f86sabre" (f86sabre) 09/01/2020 at 16:57 • Filed to: government

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Let’s keep the R vs D talk out of it. Was wondering what would happen if one of the presidential candidates became incapacitated and unable to hold office between now and the election. Would it shift to the VP candidate being the presidential candidate and they select a new VP running mate? Do the parties decide?

Also, Bicentennial Thunderbird  T-38s for your trouble.

user314 > f86sabre 09/01/2020 at 17:23

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If something happened after the conventions but before the election, the national party committees would pick another nominee. Under Republican rules , the Republican National Committee could reconvene the national convention, although Pildes told me it’s hard to imagine that being feasible. So in both parties, national committee members would vote to elect a new nominee. 2 Pence would once again be the obvious choice for Republicans, although the GOP would also have to pick a new vice presidential nominee (as would the Democrats if this situation arose for them). And while Democrats could try to back a former candidate or an outsider who didn’t run — say, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo — Brown said a crisis like this would likely push the Democratic National Committee to put the vice presidential nominee at the top of the ticket. “I assume that the Democrats would attempt to follow that same pattern [as the GOP],” she said. 

For Sweden > f86sabre 09/01/2020 at 17:26

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I assume the Secretary of State for each state would refer the question to the political parties on the ballot. The parties would then make the candidate for VP the candidate for President.

If the candidate is also an incumbent , the Cabinet probably uses the 25th Amendment process to make the VP the President.

This is similar to why Hillary Clinton took so long to concede to Barack Obama in 2008. You know, just in case Barack was assassinated .

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/us/politics/24clinton.html

My X-type is too a real Jaguar > f86sabre 09/01/2020 at 17:26

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The Party picks the replacement it can be anybody they are not bound by primary results or convention results, same if the candidate dies before the electoral college meets. After the electoral college meets but before the inauguration regular succession applie s.

HammerheadFistpunch > f86sabre 09/01/2020 at 17:27

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In the case of the President I’m sure its more clear cut. as for candidates, I suspect its up to the party to designate a new nominee.

Chariotoflove > user314 09/01/2020 at 17:32

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I suspect you still run even if you are incapacitated, as long as you aren’t dead?

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > For Sweden 09/01/2020 at 17:37

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Nice color analysis...  

fintail > f86sabre 09/01/2020 at 17:37

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Bicentennial Thunderbird:

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Chariotoflove 09/01/2020 at 17:40

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interesting point. If you have the nomination, might get better, and have your legal wits about you, can the party “take it back”?

The Dems re-nominated FDR in ‘44 despite increasing evidence he wasn’t the same man they nominated in ‘32.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > f86sabre 09/01/2020 at 17:42

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https://teachinghistory.org/history-content/ask-a-historian/20431

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > f86sabre 09/01/2020 at 18:17

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This actually happend in the g overnor race in Montana in 1996. The democratic candidate up and dies 1 month before the election. I met him at a thing on campus and I thought: this guys looks like he’s going to die soon... Little did I know at the time. The Lieutenant gov e rno r then ran in his place and lost to a Racicot . Racicot happened to be my good friends uncle and actually a pretty okay governor except that deregulation of Montana power thing...that put thousands out of work and back rupted pensions what ever...

The 1996 Montana gubernatorial election took place on November 5, 1996. Incumbent Governor of Montana   Marc Racicot , who was first elected in 1992 , ran for re-election. After winning the Republican primary against a conservative activist, he moved on to the general election, where he was set to face Chet Blaylock , a former State Senator and the Democratic nominee. However, on October 23, 1996, Blaylock died of a heart attack, and the Montana Democratic Party selected his running mate, State Senator   Judy Jacobson , to replace him as the gubernatorial nominee, and she therefore appeared on the ballot as both the gubernatorial nominee and the lieutenant gubernatorial nominee. [1] Ultimately, however, Racicot was able to defeat Jacobson in a landslide to win re-election to his second and final term as governor. As of 2020, this is last time a Republican candidate carried every county in the state.

ttyymmnn > f86sabre 09/01/2020 at 18:29

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I can’t answer your question, but here’s a picture I took of an F-5B in T- Birds livery at an airshow back in 2o14. I think this plane belongs to one of H. Ross Perot’s sons.

Chariotoflove > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/01/2020 at 18:58

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I don’t know if they can revoke a nomination or not. It’s a good question.

ranwhenparked > f86sabre 09/01/2020 at 19:18

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If it happens after the Electoral College votes, most likely the House of Representatives would elect the president - that scenario has never really been fleshed out fully and might be open to legal challenge, but it seems to be the best assumption as to how it would work, if that occurred * . If it happened in between the popular vote and the Electoral College vote, the party would choose a replacement   candidate based on their internal rules, and pledged electors would be bound to cast their vote for the new candidate.

*The House would also not be restricted to just choosing from among the major party nominees, theoretically, they could choose anyone. They could vote in a vice presidential nominee as president, or pick some surprise/dark horse candidate who comes out of nowhere.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Chariotoflove 09/01/2020 at 19:30

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can you imagine the chaos if that happened a week before the election with ballots printed, locked and loaded?  Oh-man.

user314 > Chariotoflove 09/01/2020 at 20:51

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Depends on what’s wrong, I’d imagine. Broken leg- yeah, keep in the campaign. Cancer- dropping out. 

Chariotoflove > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/01/2020 at 21:39

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That’d be fun. 

Chariotoflove > user314 09/01/2020 at 21:41

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Yes, but I think the question we are wondering about is who decides that you’re no longer o n the ballot. My understanding is that would reside with the candidate. I don’t know if there is any law or guidance. You can run for office with cancer, and it’s been done.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Chariotoflove 09/01/2020 at 21:47

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Yeah.  We’d all like to see ‘em scramble.  the whole lot.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > user314 09/01/2020 at 21:48

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How about— and I’m just spit-ballin’ here— early onset Alzheimer’s?

Just completely hypothetically and without thinking about any specific candidate, party or platform that might, just as a proposition, scare the hell out of people?

Chariotoflove > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/01/2020 at 21:51

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Only the price of that show might be higher than we want to pay. Let’s hope it doesn’t happen. 

DipodomysDeserti > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/01/2020 at 22:15

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I don’t know if there’s anything “early” about the senility of the two candidates. 

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > DipodomysDeserti 09/01/2020 at 22:17

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Yeah, my GF pointed that out...  I keep referring to “Early Onset” and she’s like “Uh, what do you mean EARLY?”