60 hurricane evacuees fight in downtown Austin, one woman shot and killed

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 08/27/2020 at 14:46 • Filed to: None

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“The information gathered thus far indicates that two groups of hurricane evacuees, one from Port Arthur and one from Beaumont, got into an argument and a large fight ensued,” Austin police said. “Individuals from both parties produced handguns. One person fired and struck a woman experiencing homelessness who happened to be nearby, but was not involved.”

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I can’t even any more.

WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 14:51

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There’s 2020 in a nutshell right there. 

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 14:51

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Turns out stress is bad for everyone. Good thing we have level headed national leaders who can help guide us through these troubling times......

ttyymmnn > WilliamsSW 08/27/2020 at 14:52

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Or a 9mm shell.

ttyymmnn > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 08/27/2020 at 14:54

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I’m reading a history of WWII right now. I am amazed by the extraordinary people who emerged to lead our military to victory, and a president who united a country divided between those who supported the war and those who didn’t. Where oh where are those people now?

Darkbrador > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 14:54

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Unpopular take : You, the p eople (as in “We, the People”) should not be allowed to produce guns. If you want to carry and shoot guns so badly, then enroll in the military. 

Wacko > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 14:56

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I’m starting to think the United States has passed the point of no return. 

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 15:00

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You’re just reading the wrong history...America’s current leadership is more akin to 1930s Germany...just with more incompetence.

fintail > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 15:00

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Ugh the year that keeps on giving.

Armed society, polite society, something something something

CobraJoe > Darkbrador 08/27/2020 at 15:02

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Hell, I’d be happy with a semi-rigorous testing and a license system.

We have that for cars, and they’re a far more necessary device with fatal potential .

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Darkbrador 08/27/2020 at 15:03

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Or maybe some sort of group where people join and learn techniques and rules and discipline of firearms . Some sort of militia, but more of a well regulated one.

BigBlock440 > CobraJoe 08/27/2020 at 15:14

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No we don’t have that for cars.  I could go buy a car right now, with cash, and without any sort of background check or identification.  The licensing and regulation only apply if you use it on public property.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 15:14

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losing elections to megalomaniacs. 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 15:18

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Genuinely curious, has 2020 motivated anyone to maybe pick up any firearms...just in case?

ttyymmnn > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/27/2020 at 15:20

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Not me, not yet at least. 

TheRealBicycleBuck > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 15:21

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My uncle (the cop in Houston) has stories about the weapons removed from refugees seeking shelter from Katrina. The police told the people before they got off the buses that they would be searched for weapons as the disembarked. Anyone caught with a weapon would go straight to jail. However, they were not paying attention to who was sitting in what seat, so they would not be prosecuting anyone for any weapons left behind on the bus. The Houston police confiscated thousands of  weapons found on those buses.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 15:21

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Also, just after I saw this post I saw this headline. 2020 is a crazy year....

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-53934500

DipodomysDeserti > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/27/2020 at 15:23

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If it has, they’re late to the game, and are just going to end up getting shot by some chubby teen wearing crocs.

ranwhenparked > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/27/2020 at 15:24

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Nothing new, I bought an extra box of ammo though, since it seemed like there was some hoarding going on there.

Sovande > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 15:24

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Most of them died in the years following WWII.  Their children then took up the reigns of this great nation and drove it headlong into the ground. 

bmil128 > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 15:25

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I love non local TV reporters. It’s not pronounced Braz-oh-s.....

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > DipodomysDeserti 08/27/2020 at 15:26

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legit laughed.

I think that you’re probably right.  

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 15:27

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You’re in Texas (hopefully safe!) don’t you just get issued one?

ttyymmnn > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/27/2020 at 15:27

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Holocaust trend?

ttyymmnn > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/27/2020 at 15:28

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Not yet.

user314 > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 15:32

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A TikTok trend where people pretend to be Holocaust victims is “hurtful and offensive”, the Auschwitz Museum says.

Users have shared clips of themselves with fake bruises, wearing clothes that Jews were ordered to wear by the Nazis. 

.... Zoomers and Gen  are seriously fucked up.

Sovande > TheRealBicycleBuck 08/27/2020 at 15:32

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That sounds exactly like the fucking police. Prey upon the scared and displaced. Threaten with incarceration those who have just barely escaped with their lives. Do not delude yourself into thinking this exercise was a good one. It was the exact opposite of that. Searching people leaving a bus? How about keep your fucking hands off me. Riding a bus to escape a storm isn’t a crime . I don’t like guns, but I fucking hate this shit that the fucking police pull much much more.

“We’re so glad you were saved when 3500 of your neigbors were killed by this massive storm.  Now empty your pockets or you’re going to jail.” Fuck the police.

user314 > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 15:35

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a woman experiencing homelessness 

You don’t “ e xperience ” homelessness; “suffer”, “be afflicted by”, “ cursed with”, “ be damned to”, maybe, but not “experience”.

ttyymmnn > user314 08/27/2020 at 15:36

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I started teaching online yesterday. I spent the day in a t-shirt, but I chanted to a nice polo for the lesson. My son’s teacher always teaches in a v-neck white t-shirt. I would never do that. I said to my wife that I guess I was just raised right. Which brings me to this. Where the hell were these people’s parents? How can a generation of people think this is okay? Then again, their parents probably don’t  realize this isn’t okay either.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 15:37

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Wait wait wait?

Assuming both sides were about equal in size

Soo 30 people on each side drawing on eachother

How the fuck do you miss a crowd that size and actually shoot someone who wasn't involved?

LastFirstMI is my name > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 08/27/2020 at 15:40

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Yeah, I feel like we’re living Mussolini’s biography. 

ttyymmnn > user314 08/27/2020 at 15:41

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I’m not sure why they just didn’t say “homeless woman.” I think reporters try too hard to sound smart sometimes.

DipodomysDeserti > Darkbrador 08/27/2020 at 15:41

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Yeah, only people under the command of Donald Trump should be allowed to own guns. Great idea! What about cops? They know how to use them properly, right?

TheRealBicycleBuck > Sovande 08/27/2020 at 15:44

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Perhaps I didn’t give enough context. These were not people who caught a greyhound to escape the storm. These were people who didn’t leave before the storm, were rescued after the storm, and were moving into a shelter where weapons were not allowed. Keeping weapons out of the shelter was paramount to making the shelters a safe place to stay.

ttyymmnn > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 08/27/2020 at 15:47

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The cops in Louisiana took 13 shots to kill a guy the other day. Not sure how many of them actually hit. And they are trained in marksmanship. The average person can’t hit shit.

A few weeks ago, a protester was killed in downtown Austin. He walked up on an Uber driver while carrying an AK-47 he brought to the protest “for protection .” The Uber driver was an active duty US Army soldier and veteran of Afghanistan. He didn’t miss when he shot the guy with the AK.

Even with training, it can be hard to keep cool and sight your weapon accurately. Just watch this video of the cops getting into a shootout with the Kehoe brothers. All of them shooting and not hitting a thing. It’s hard to aim when you are ducking. 

DipodomysDeserti > TheRealBicycleBuck 08/27/2020 at 15:47

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Pretty good anecdote of why you should never trust the police.

TheRealBicycleBuck > DipodomysDeserti 08/27/2020 at 15:51

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These were people who knew they were relocating to shelter and that weapons wouldn’t be allowed.

CobraJoe > BigBlock440 08/27/2020 at 15:52

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That is a good point, though it’s not exactly that different from a certain point of view.

If you own a car/gun and never use it, then it really isn’t a danger to anyone, so it shouldn’t be required to have any necessary paperwork other than ownership documents.

If you own a car/gun and only use it on private property for sport (tracks, private land, ranges, etc), then the danger to other people who are not in the immediate vicinity is practically non-existent, so in addition to ownership, the only worry would be that it isn’t being “used” on the way to or from the private property. That means, a trailer for the race car and possibly a lockable case for the rifle/pistol.

If you own a car/gun and plan to use/carry it in public, then the full license (and even insurance?) should be documented and carried as proof. After all, if either is used incorrectly, the danger to anyone nearby is very high.

As an aside, I have spent quite a bit of time around firearm enthusiasts and collectors, and have fired many types of guns. I can tell you, when it comes to gun safety, these guys can be the most serious people around. If I knew that everyone who owned a gun had the same level of training and understanding about the danger of guns, I wouldn’t be worried at all about some random gun owner.

I know the current auto license system isn’t fool proof in keeping only safe drivers on the road, but it does give some legal ability to restrict people who operate vehicles and public, and some legal punishments to those who don’t follow them.  

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 15:52

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The cops over here actually shoot to maim

And usually just once

Most people shot by cops here don’t die

Course....most of the time the cops are the only people with guns here.....that probably makes a difference

gettingoldercarguy > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/27/2020 at 15:52

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The opposite

ttyymmnn > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 08/27/2020 at 15:54

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It’s easier to hit center mass than it is to shoot in the leg. The problem here is that for many cops shooting is the first option rather than the last resort. 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > gettingoldercarguy 08/27/2020 at 16:01

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You divested from them?

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 16:03

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Only in America do two large groups of people who are EVACUATING to ESCAPE DEATH by devastating natural disaster then produce handguns and SHOOT at each other over a relatively minor ....(no offense intended Americans, but it seems like a problem I can’t imagine happening anywhere else with your gun laws ) ....

I mean...y ou’re ESCAPING a DEADLY NATURAL PHENOMENON and then WILLINGLY SHOOT BACK AND FORTH AT OTHER PEOPLE OVER A PETTY ARGUMENT.....like.....you’re escaping death....and then cause more death while escaping death.....I......I can’t even....

Sovande > TheRealBicycleBuck 08/27/2020 at 16:04

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The additional context simply makes the police sound like a worse group of people than they already seemed to be.  

ttyymmnn > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 08/27/2020 at 16:05

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I can’t either. 

DipodomysDeserti > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 16:05

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Most cops are not trained at all in marksmanship . They usually do one qualifier a year, and it is very easy. If you can’t site a weapon while under stress, then you’re training has failed, as the only time you’ll need to shoot someone is under stress.

The protestor shot in Austin was also a veteran, but I don’t know if he served overseas.

DipodomysDeserti > TheRealBicycleBuck 08/27/2020 at 16:06

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Gotcha. I’d avoid a situation like that at all costs. Cops can’t even properly search people before jailing them, no way would I trust them in a situation like that.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 16:07

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yeah...tbh... your cops are nothing like our cops

when i was in oklahoma some asshat called the cops on me for smoking weed (i wasnt...but i smoke rollies...i guess i can see where they came from there...)

anyhoo...got told to assume the position and got patted down it was wierd

they also took my cigarette apart...wich wasnt a big deal back then...but nowadays...omg do you know how expensive that shit is?

anyhoo...literally none of that would have happened here (i mean...even aside from weed being legal here back then)

the cops here pretty much dont touch you unless they plan to cuff you

gettingoldercarguy > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/27/2020 at 16:09

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W orking on it

ttyymmnn > DipodomysDeserti 08/27/2020 at 16:10

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Still more training that the guy who goes to Walmart and buys a 9mm to keep himself warm. 

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > DipodomysDeserti 08/27/2020 at 16:43

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It always circles back to trusting the police, which uh, yeah. 

Thomas Donohue > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 16:57

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“experiencing homelessness”

Does that mean she has a really nice place to live, but occasionally sleeps in the streets to see what it feels like to be homeless?

Or is that the new soft term for “currently homeless” or “between apartments”?

InFierority Complex > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 16:58

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“People Experiencing Homelessness” has been a term for a bit, not just with this reporter. Whether or nor it is better, I don’t know.

ttyymmnn > Thomas Donohue 08/27/2020 at 16:59

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I’m sure it’s the soft term. This is Austin, after all. Lots of homeless camps under the overpasses. I’m a pretty soft-hearted liberal, but I wish there were someplace else they could go. It looks terrible, and they leave their trash everywhere. Can’t put them all in one place, though, because it moves them away from their panhandling spots. 

ttyymmnn > InFierority Complex 08/27/2020 at 17:11

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I wonder if it’s supposed to suggest this is a temporary situation for them. For most of the people I see, it’s their only life.

Mercedes Streeter > user314 08/27/2020 at 17:12

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What the...but...why?????

user314 > Mercedes Streeter 08/27/2020 at 17:19

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For The Clicks™

BigBlock440 > CobraJoe 08/27/2020 at 17:30

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Most states have concealed carry laws, with varying requirements as well. The only thing that’s really different is insurance, which realistically, isn’t going to prevent anything. And in most states (hedging because I don’t know them all), to transport a firearm without a permit, it has to be in a locked or otherwise separate compartment from ammo, though the people following those rules typically aren’t the ones you have to worry about anyway.

Mercedes Streeter > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 08/27/2020 at 17:36

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Americans shoot no better than bad guys in a movie. IIRC, some years ago the LAPD fired 103 bullets at a parked truck they thought contained a cop killer. Not only did the truck not contain said cop killer but only two bullets actually hit one of the occupants inside. How...how do you miss a hundred shots?

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 08/27/2020 at 18:00

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Hand guns are horribly difficult to fire accurately . It takes years of training and practice to shoot accurately even at 60 feet, say 20 meters. 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/27/2020 at 18:03

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I’ve been wanting a .22 for pli nking but I already have a hunting rifle that is good to 300 yards so my home defense perimeter is pretty wide.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 08/27/2020 at 18:04

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well shit...id say thats a powerfull argument for why people maybe shouldnt have them

but what do i know

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 08/27/2020 at 18:19

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I was shooting a 357 revolver and had to keep getting closer to the target and was still way off. Once I was about 20 feet away I started hitting things... Some hand guns are much more accurate but still, for me I like knowing where the bullet is going... Long guns are designed for accuracy and I like shooting targets and wild game at distance.

PG; the scalpel wielder > ttyymmnn 08/27/2020 at 18:34

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Reading all this stuff from Australia is so sad. Godspeed to all you folk. Generations of bad education, politics and stupidity have screwed up your country. Sucks because I really wanted to drive across USA one day, but not worth it now.

There are a few nut jobs down here too for sure, driven by racism. But it doesn’t usually escalate to this sort of madness.

I’ve operated on people with Nazi tattoos and they all shut up when their sick and a brown surgeon has to open them up. I've had a racist neighbour that would now my lawns and clean my roof because he realised I was a busy guy, but still spread all this hate online. 

Beyond the point of repair I think. 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 08/27/2020 at 18:35

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10/22?

kanadanmajava1 > user314 08/27/2020 at 19:32

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I remember that many years ago some company was arranging “ experience homelessness” adventures for wealthy people. The pa rticipants were given “ hobo” outfits and they were stripped of any valuable things. Then the participant had to survive one night as a regular homeless person. They did this in some fairly safe city but I cannot remember the location at all. Likely not in the US. I think the profits were given to charity.

I’m pretty sure that this hasn’t been done in years . And definitely not the case in this situation.

Nauraushaun > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 08/27/2020 at 19:43

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Crazy eh? Makes you never want to go there

CobraJoe > BigBlock440 08/27/2020 at 20:20

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I signed a petition to get conceal and carry permits i n my state, because I was in favor of the additional training. However, I’m a bit fuzzy on the training requirements and the proof of passing the training. M ostly, I understand it to be f ocused on identifying situations where pulling your weapon is allowed, protocol when talk ing with police, and can be completed in a day.

Im not sure that it provides the amount of safety training and firearm respect that I would prefer .

Considering that getting a driving permit at 16 here requires 50 logged hours of driving with a licensed driver, a written exam, a practical exam, and then 2 years with a provisional license that has a curfew... the conceal carry permit testing seems quite easy in comparison.

Following the letter of all the laws or not is not my biggest worry with a firearm owner . I’ m far more scared of  people who treat guns as toys, or who fetishisize scenarios where they would need to kill someone. I’ve met both, and don’t stay friends with either very long.

InFierority Complex > DipodomysDeserti 08/27/2020 at 20:50

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The picture of him circulating in dress uniform shows him with an Afghanistan campaign ribbon but no CIB. So he has deployed but may not have actually seen anything, or the paperwork got lost/ taking a while. Either option is likely, honestly. Picture could be a few years ago at any rate. He’s got the 2nd Cav stetson and flag behind him but they are in Germany and he’s been promoted since then, apparently

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/27/2020 at 22:03

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That was my first thought and I looked at some but they seem really cheaply made and the stocks on the ones I looked at were very short so not comfortable at all for me to shoot. They said I should look at the stainless steel version for close to $400. I can get a nice bolt action in another brand for that.

DipodomysDeserti > InFierority Complex 08/27/2020 at 22:17

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That’s a pic of the shooter. The deceased was an Air Force mechanic for a few years before being discharged.

InFierority Complex > DipodomysDeserti 08/27/2020 at 22:48

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Apologies, completely misread that in your post. This guy’s lawyers are really leaning into the active duty soldier aspect. As if that makes him any more trustworthy or competent.

BigBlock440 > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 08/28/2020 at 12:31

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the cops here pretty much dont touch you unless they plan to cuff you

Rest assured, they planned to cuff you and absolutely would have had it been weed.