To the DIY Blind Company that uses Phillips, not Robertson, Screws...

"ClassicDatsunDebate" (gmagnusson)
08/18/2020 at 22:51 • Filed to: Homelopnik

Kindly eat 9 dicks please, Allan+Roth. Who uses Phillips head screws for applications that you need to one-hand your drill? Robertson screws grip your bit. Thanks for adding an hour to something that should be simple.

/Rant off.

DISCUSSION (23)

BaconSandwich is tasty. > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/18/2020 at 23:07

At least they didn't use stab-yourself-in-the-hand flathead screws.

ClassicDatsunDebate > BaconSandwich is tasty.
08/18/2020 at 23:12

Thats why I like you BaconSandwich....always a cup half full kinda person...

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/18/2020 at 23:13

Henry Ford’s decision to sure Philips instead of Robertson’s really screwed everyone.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/18/2020 at 23:14

You realize that nobody uses Robertson outside the Great White North, eh?

BaconSandwich is tasty. > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/18/2020 at 23:24

Ha ha! I’m glad I come across that way on Oppo.

Maybe it’s because the rest of the day I’m dealing with terrible software and terrible requirements, and trying to make it better. Some days I feel like a little piece of me dies inside.

Aremmes > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
08/18/2020 at 23:24

IIRC Ford wanted a license to make them locally, but Robertson refused as he wanted to control production.

Dead_Elvis, Inc. > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/18/2020 at 23:26

Maddening! I’ve had better luck using JIS drivers/ bits on Philips screws instead of the “correct” tool.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Aremmes
08/18/2020 at 23:28

I think that’s correct.

notsomethingstructural > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/18/2020 at 23:29

I don’t say this to be a dick, but invest in better bits and holders. I’ve driven 4-1/2" #8 philips screws into solid 6x6 lumber. Philips head sucks, but c heap ready-strip bits and cheap ready-strip screw heads don’t mix. I prefer the dewalt screwlock magnetic holders and bits . They have a sliding magnetic collar that engages the flange of the screw and holds it against the bit. You can spin it as fast as you want and the screw stays centered. Center-punch a starting hole by whacking it with the back of the drill, put it on the sleeve, get it started and lean into that baby with all your might. Hitachi makes bits with integrated magnets that are cheap and good, but they wear out eventually like all bits. Philips head isn’t great, but ultimately the issue is they self-cam, not that the driving surfaces can’t put enough force on it. Push harder.

IMO, T orx screws are actually better than Robertson. Robertson self-center a little better but you can put an insane amount of torque on Torx screws.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/18/2020 at 23:37

It looks like you used the wrong size bit, I “almost” never strip a Phillips head but when I do it’s royally fucked up.

ClassicDatsunDebate > notsomethingstructural
08/18/2020 at 23:39

I hear what you’re saying but between a Robertson and a Phillips as a construction screw, no comparison. A $2 dollar bulk bit does the same thing as those fancy $15 dollar Norske drivers. I’m an entrenched Robertson fanboy

I too am a torx afficianado though .....I own a JK dontchaknow.

ClassicDatsunDebate > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
08/18/2020 at 23:39

Try em, you’ll never go back.

ClassicDatsunDebate > Dead_Elvis, Inc.
08/18/2020 at 23:41

I thought about my JIS but I only have hand screwdrivers for the Datsun....no bits. I don’t think they would have worked anyway because these screws don’t have the big relief in the center if the cross.

Brickman > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/18/2020 at 23:43

Screws that come with stuff is made of the softest chinesium there is. I usually supply my own screws.

Also pre drill your holes, if you didn’t already.

ClassicDatsunDebate > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
08/18/2020 at 23:44

They were the right size. It was a combination of one-handing and being off angle because of the clearance to the casement. I still contest that if these were Robertson, it wouldn’t have mattered.

ClassicDatsunDebate > Brickman
08/18/2020 at 23:47

You mean the drawers and drawers of Robertson screws I have in my garage? The ones that I didn’t think about using because these ones came in the kit??

Where were you an hour ago Brickman??

Dead_Elvis, Inc. > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/18/2020 at 23:48

Yeah, probably not. At least the blind hides the hardware when installed.

This is the kind of thing where I often toss the garbage screws supplied & find something better in my big bin of random jun - I mean, my carefully organized collection of miscellaneous fasteners.

Exage03040 @ opposite-lock.com > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/19/2020 at 00:00

I’ve had more drill-bits in the chuck than a Phillips-bit.

You ain’t a + you’re a - , a MINUS!!! >:|

itranthelasttimeiparkedit > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/19/2020 at 00:29

this is the right attitude. fuck phillips head. i tried to find an article, there is a great rant out there somewhere on the internet about how they were designed to slip a bit so early inaccurate machinery could consistently set the driver...

bison78 > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/19/2020 at 01:52

Posidriv/Supadriv would also be better. Although they look similar to Phillips, they don’t tend to push the bit out (cam out) when you apply torque to them.

The only time I have seen these screws (apart from old British cars) in the USA was on some Ikea furniture.

bison78 > notsomethingstructural
08/19/2020 at 01:54

IMO, Torx screws are actually better than Robertson. Robertson s elf-center a little better but you can put an insane amount of torque on Torx screws.

Some years ago, working on a car, I broke a bit trying to unscrew a Torx-head screw. The head of the screw was not damaged.

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/19/2020 at 02:18

Philips sucks like the suckiest thing ever (excep t possibly for overly shallow slot heads). If you must use a crossdrive, at leas t have the courtesy to use Pozidriv , which is de signed NOT to cam out.

Oh, wait, that’s a socialist European head type. C an’t have that - F reedom means the right to spen d you r days drilling out ruined screw hea ds .

Brickman > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/19/2020 at 09:08

Now you know :P