I'm over it now... (Ford & Aluminum)

"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390)
08/18/2020 at 16:05 • Filed to: Mustang things

Not even gonna try to fight Ford on this anymore. It’s just not worth my time or energy. The replacement hood hasn’t been on even two whole months. I was dedicating the entire afternoon to detailing the Mustang but as soon as I saw this, I gave up.

Suffice to say, I don’t think I’ll be looking at Mustang GTs as a next car anymore , unless someone literally throws a fiberglass hood at me.

DISCUSSION (70)

Bylan - Hoarder of LS400's > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 16:11

That is very disappointing

E90M3 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 16:11

Kinja'd!!!

ClassicDatsunDebate > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 16:13

“within tolerance”

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 16:14

Aren’t the new trucks using a lot of alUminium now? I wonder how they are.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Bylan - Hoarder of LS400's
08/18/2020 at 16:17

disheartening to me, personally.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > ClassicDatsunDebate
08/18/2020 at 16:17

If you make the tolerance large enough, everything passes quality inspection.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 16:18

Yeah....Ford quality does not seem to be worth it. I see Ford Foci up here that are only 4-5 years old with significant rust spots on them...

wafflesnfalafel > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 16:18

T hat is really odd - it’s not like manufacturers haven’t been using aluminum for body panels for some time. My wife’s crappy old 04 Altima had an aluminum trunk lid and it was fine even parking out in the sun most of it’s life...

ranwhenparked > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 16:28

I was there years ago - bought a 2013 Mustang new in the fall of 2012, traded it in in the spring of 2016. In that time, the trunk lid was painted twice and the hood was replaced, while the front bumper had clear coat failure. My 2018 Escape that I’ve currently got assigned as a company car has peeling paint on the A-pillars and corrosion bubbling at the bottoms of the doors, and I also previously owned a 2008 Town Car that had the paint peel clean off the hood.

The fact that Ford won’t provide any sort of warranty coverage or goodwill repairs or even acknowledge that there’s a problem and it’s entirely their fault is the capper on it. Paint and bodywork is expensive, oftentimes even more so than major mechanical repairs. Not even looking at any new Ford products ever again, unless they clearly prove that they've fixed this mess for good. Which isn't that much of a hardship, since the Mustang is the only thing they make that I like now, and there's nothing else on the horizon.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 16:37

When the pint on your two month old hood looks worse than my 2006 Mazda3, things don’t look good.

ranwhenparked > wafflesnfalafel
08/18/2020 at 16:39

Its because Ford are lazy, incompetent, and complacent. They've had this problem for at least 15+ years and have done absolutely nothing to try and stop it. If anything,they've made it worse by expanding their usage of aluminum and spreading the defect to more of their product lines.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 16:42

My FoST’s paint is starting to fail. This is where it actually started to flake off but it’s bubbling on several edges. I haven’t been on much because this fills me with rage. And of course, I’m getting a bit of a runaround right now.... But I hope it gets fixed soon

Kinja'd!!!

Ford paint is just the worst in the industry by a country mile.

Kiltedpadre > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)
08/18/2020 at 16:43

One thing we’ve noticed on the trucks at work is that the paint color doesn’t match very well between the aluminum and steel panels. I don’t know if they use different primer on the different materials. It shouldn’t be an age related issue though because they were all under a year old when it was noticed.

Beyond that I can’t say too much for certain simply because not long after they all arrived we had multiple tornadoes in the area in a single night, and all the trucks suffered hail damage from the storm front.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 16:46

Personally this wouldn’t bother me. Of course if I owned it, it’s because I bought it used and cheap.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 16:47

So is the Al rough under the paint, or is the paint not sticking to the Al?

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
08/18/2020 at 16:55

AHHHHHHHHHH!

Discerning > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)
08/18/2020 at 16:55

My paint has held up well, but up close I can see a slight difference in the plastic vs aluminum vs steel parts. Nothing like what OP is experiencing.

Tripper > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 17:00

“ I was dedicating the entire afternoon to detailing the Mustang but as soon as I saw this, I gave up.”

I felt that, bummer man.

Gerry197 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 17:03

My guess is that it’s not an F150 and the hood & hatch is the only part that is aluminum?

Ford has been notorious for it’s mixed materials factories and aluminum contamination.

This issue has mostly been resolved at it’s alumimum only plants, like the ones that build the F-series, but still an issue at the other plants.

HammerheadFistpunch > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 17:07

I remember seeing an F150 of my coworker in that blue where the wheel well had a big blank spot of paint or primer in the shape of what was clearly body sealing foam that wasn’t supposed to be there. Quality control...

vondon302 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 17:09

Damn another Ford boy bites the dust.

Kinja'd!!!

haveacarortwoorthree2 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 17:14

That is some bullshit. One of the several reasons why I will not consider Fords any more, despite having owned five Mustangs and several other Fords over the years.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 17:24

Ford seems to be destined to fail after all... I may be a Chevy guy, but t he poor state they’re at here in Brazil brings a tear to my eye. :/

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > wafflesnfalafel
08/18/2020 at 18:10

You must not have it anymore, because those cars had clear coat nearly as crappy as the car itself.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
08/18/2020 at 18:11

They should take lessons on clearcoat from Honda.

Bylan - Hoarder of LS400's > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 18:16

I think owning a brand new car would drive me nuts, because every mark blemish or imperfection would drive me mad

wafflesnfalafel > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available
08/18/2020 at 18:54

I t was that pearl burgundy color, had it for nearly 10 years and actually didn’t have a problem with it - BUT I do know exactly what you are talking about - I had a 1990 hardbody pickup in that dark grey color and it was the worst paint of any car I’ve owned, clearcoat flaked off in big chips even after taking really good care of it...

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > Gerry197
08/18/2020 at 20:12

Yeah, our 2018 F150 has no p ai nt issues at all. It is, frankly, much better than my 2014 FieSTa was...

onlytwowheels > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 20:35

If it’s on a replacement hood, then t hat’s a paint shop issue, not a Ford issue. Take it back and they’ll make it right. Don’t settle for substandard work.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)
08/18/2020 at 20:40

Yep. The F150 has been predominantly aluminum for a good while now. Idk if they’re having issues but it would’ve been big headline news if so, I feel.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
08/18/2020 at 20:42

Pardon my language.....WHAT THE FUCKING HELL?!? Is that the rear quarter along the wheel arch or front? That shouldn’t be aluminum?? And on the tri-coat paint too........That’s horrible.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Bylan - Hoarder of LS400's
08/18/2020 at 20:44

I can understand that now. I still have no regrets about the car, and rock chips and swirls and such are what they are for any car that’s driven. T his just f’ing sucks the biggest dongle.

ranwhenparked > Gerry197
08/18/2020 at 20:44

Yep, the current Mustangs have aluminum hoods, trunk lids, and fenders, but everything else is steel. Previous models just had the hood and trunk lid.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Gerry197
08/18/2020 at 20:45

2017 Mustang Ecoboost. The hood, fenders, and trunk are aluminum. If you’ve not been around for this saga, my original hood was spot repaired 2-3 times over the last three years and was finally replaced last month or so.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
08/18/2020 at 20:46

OOFs you can feel by just reading...That one hurts.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > haveacarortwoorthree2
08/18/2020 at 20:47

What five Mustangs, outta curiosity? There isn’t much of a market left for the kinda cars I want, so as much as I don’t want another Mustang, I have a feeling I’m probably gonna be in another before the end of this decade.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
08/18/2020 at 20:48

What’s going on in Brazil? I’m not familiar with them.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > vondon302
08/18/2020 at 20:48

Wait........You didn’t sell the Boss...

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
08/18/2020 at 20:52

You’re not wrong!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ranwhenparked
08/18/2020 at 20:59

Ya know, it’s kinda ironic. If I remember right, we’ve actually discussed this quite a few time s over the past few years. I think you were considering a Challenger or Charger instead of an S550 because of this and right aroun the same time I was getting ready to buy one spring/summer 2016 , correct me if I’m wrong?

Holy crap on that Escape! My dealer has been very helpful in getting me to this point, but Ford..........It’s nearly 20 years of this now and we all know it......You can’t hide this or sweep it under the rug. And that’s the issue, there’s not much else like the Mustang if/after the Camaro dies.......It’s pretty much the last man standing unless Stellantis pops out a smaller/lighter C hallenger.

ranwhenparked > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 21:05

Yes, I do remember that, I was pretty pissed off, because I take good care of my cars. Follow factory service schedule religiously, wax at least twice a year, condition the leather and vacuum the rugs regularly, and shit like that still happens. I'm a high mileage driver, so I was well out of the comprehensive warranty within 14 months, and beyond that, Ford won't do anything for you unless a hole rusts through the panel.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 21:09

Well, mostly the same as in America, except we don’t have the Mustang to show for it. They discontinued pretty much every car to focus on SUVs and crossovers, and because those cars are usually more expensive and upmarket than your friendly neighborhood hatchbacks and sedans, most people migrated to other brands that still offer, you know, h atchbacks and sedans, most notably Chevrolet and VW, who’ve grabbed the market by the proverbial balls and sell more between the two of them than every other automaker combined. Ford, meanwhile, put most of their chips on the Territory, a rebadged Chinese cros sover that was supposed to undercut the Jeep Compass and Renegade duo, the absolute bestsellers in the crossover segment, by offering more for less. What came of it, however, is a 185 thousand reais car that offers less gear than a 70 thousand reais sedan, and is so grossly misguided it actually missed the fact that Jeep’s duo actually lost the segment leadership over 6 months ago to, surprise surprise, The Chevrolet Equinox and the VW T-Cross. And we’re not talking about Chevy and VW barely edging out the Ford on this one, nope, you’d have t o be clinically insane to get the Ford, which costs 70 thousand more and has less features and subpar powertrain even when compared to the entry level Equinox and T-Cross. Their whole strategy is so fucked up, there’s absolutely no way it makes sense!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
08/18/2020 at 21:25

Looks like Ford is trying to get outta Brazil from the sounds of it. I’ve no idea what a Ford Territory is but it sounds awful and drepressing.

E90M3 > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
08/18/2020 at 21:26

Now there’s a name I haven’t seen in forever.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ranwhenparked
08/18/2020 at 21:28

Same here. Unfortunately, aluminum’s corrosion doesn’t care about maintenance and care.....Only about the prep and/or contaminates before painting, it seems.

ranwhenparked > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 21:36

Maybe the next Toyobaru will be more compelling? And there is always the Challenger - I had one, liked it, doesn’t handle like a Mustang or Camaro, but isn’t a floaty boaty landyacht, either, and is easier to live with on road trips.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ranwhenparked
08/18/2020 at 21:49

I’m looking at replacing in the next year or two. I’m still apprehensive about either. The former is light and all the sportiness, but if the next one hasn’t got a strong enough engine (and strong enough 4 cylinder, because I really don’t want another one) maybe. I feel like I could forgive the Challenger’s weight if it wasn’t so fat and fat-looking. It’s just too tall in appearance for me. And while I don’t truly expect the Challenger to handle like a boaty yacht, I don’t expect it to be anywhere near the level of fun or content I’m good with. That said, I expect it to be somewhat close to my dad’s Magnum and I haven’t driven one newer than a 2010.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 21:51

It’s the rear. Only damage my car really took was to the front when I had a light bumper tap and then ran over a raccoon.

I am absolutely amazed the premium paint is so awful on this car

David Baker > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 21:52

My 15 F150 has 0 paint issues

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > David Baker
08/18/2020 at 21:57

Glad to hear you’ve had 0 issues.

ranwhenparked > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 21:58

I’ve got a Camaro RS right now, but am very nervous about this engine being a ticking time bomb. Bought it CPO last spring with 27,000 on it, up to 71,000 now. The V8 seems like a safe choice, don’t know anything about the 4-cylinder, which might be a good thing? So far, other than TPMS censors randomly shutting off, no issues with build quality, certainly the paint is much better. GM is supposed to keep building them until late 2022, which means either a slightly prolonged 2022 model year, or a brief run out of 2023 models. At any rate, that means it will still be around when you’re looking.

I considered pulling the trigger on a BRZ or 86 - I actually really like the smaller size, and the fact that they’ve got a modern aesthetic instead of heavy retro, but just could not bring myself to do it. They just don’t seem distinctive enough in terms of styling, the interiors are too cheap and basic to live with every day, and just didn’t feel like enough “car” for the money. If the next generation improves on the weak points and keeps everything that was already working, could be a compelling option.

Thisismydisplayname > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 22:15

Our ‘17 Pacifica is experiencing this as well and a lot of other Pacifica owners are having the same problem... what I don’t get is my ‘09 Audi S8 has no paint issues at all and it’s all aluminum, and almost 10 years older to boot. How can the Germans get it straight and the domestics cant seem to figure it out?

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > wafflesnfalafel
08/18/2020 at 22:20

Yeah, the light colored grayscale Nissan paints didn't hold up well.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 22:33

Kinja'd!!!

Yup, awful sounds right for this vaguely automobile shaped blob that costs 185 grand and I haven't even been able to find out whether there's an AWD version or not. But probably not.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
08/18/2020 at 22:37

Then that’s even worse!! I just can’t see that easily looking right again. I’d be livid if it was my car. I wonder where my old ST is sometimes.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Thisismydisplayname
08/18/2020 at 22:40

The Germans are just the best when it comes to rust prevention/protection and I firmly believe that to be the case for at least the last 40 years.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
08/18/2020 at 22:41

It looks like a bastardized EcoSport/Edge hybrid.........So sorry about that.

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 22:44

That it is, I'd heard Ford had taken some bad decisions in the US as well, and now I've heard they' planning to axe the Mustang after the next planned gen, is that all correct? :/

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ranwhenparked
08/18/2020 at 22:49

V6 or 4? I was heavily interested by the V6 until I saw the price tag of a 1LE: SS money and nearly the same as a Mustang GT. My spec’d EB was cheaper than all three so it’s personally a moot point but still....V8 is always the safe and reliable choice, and MSRPs have gone up so much in the last few years I think I’ll go used or CPO on the next car. Much more diverse offerings that way, depreciation won’t suck, and I’ll be able to afford a V8 haha . I’d need highway robbery discounts to consider new again unless I attain a lotta wealth in such a short amount of time.

The BRZ is the one I’d go with personally. It’s just got the better “mouth”. I agree that with a price tag similar to the Ecoboost Mustang, it’s just not enough car. But I could’ve forgiven all of that for more power and/or torque, or Apple CarPlay by now..

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion
08/18/2020 at 22:52

I haven’t heard that. At least two more generations have been somewhat confirmed from what I’ve seen.

ranwhenparked > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 23:01

I’ve got the 3.6 V6 , they’re notorious for timing chain and sludge issues, and GM has been putting them in almost everything since they got rid of the old 3800. We shall see. My hope was to try and keep this one for 5-6 years, but if I may trade it when I finish paying it off to leave that stuff for the next owner. Or maybe try one of those BG flushes eventually

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > ranwhenparked
08/18/2020 at 23:32

Wait what year is it? Because its sounding to me like a 5th gen Camaro and I was under the impression it was the 6th gen with the LGX 3.6L V6 I haven’t heard anything bad about.

ranwhenparked > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/18/2020 at 23:44

It is a 5th gen, I know they’ve made a lot of improvements to the LGX, but I’d still be kind of nervous, still the same basic engine and this stuff has been going on for years, why didn’t they address it before, if they knew how? I don’t know, worth researching anyway, these things can be fixed, after a ll. The 4100 V8 was a piece of garbage, but the bored out 4500 and 4900 versions of it were rock solid.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/19/2020 at 02:10

Don’t talk to a w210 owner.

vondon302 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/19/2020 at 06:15

Not yet but I am thinking about it.

Modern Fords are dead to me now tho.

BigBlock440 > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
08/19/2020 at 08:18

Sounds like they learned something from their Mazda partnership.

haveacarortwoorthree2 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/19/2020 at 08:27

My first two cars in HS were Mustang IIs - a four banger, then a V6. Despite that, I still love Mustangs. Owned a 93 GT vert, a 66 vert, and 14 Roush Stage 3. Was $1000 away from winning a BAT auction for a GT3 50R a while back and now am glad I didn’t win. I have talked to several people with issues like yours, and a friend just made a dealer in Texas take back his ‘19 GT350 for a multitude of issues, including paint.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > vondon302
08/19/2020 at 10:17

What happened??

vondon302 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
08/19/2020 at 10:26

I still love the Boss but Mrs. Vondon302 might quit her job. Teacher.

Plus I had so many quality issues with her Fost, I'm done with them.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > vondon302
08/19/2020 at 19:46

I don’t think it’ll be easy to replace the Boss. The ST on the other hand.....GTI or Veloster?