Coronavirus pretty much kills innovation and development, in the near future, at Airbus and Boeing

"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone) 04/29/2020 at 15:56 • Filed to: None

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DipodomysDeserti > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 04/29/2020 at 16:04

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Isn’t Boeing the company that kept trying to ride the same pony for so long they ended up killing a few hundred people? But yeah, Corona...

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 04/29/2020 at 16:07

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its also causing quite a bit of trouble with the seasonal harvest over here...

kinda need those seasonal workers.....

(funilly enough the ermagerd immurgants stealing mer jerbs crowd isnt stepping up to pick up the slack)

thatsmr > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 04/29/2020 at 16:07

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I think Boeing already killed innovation and development in the cynical poorly engineered 737 maxx, the 1967 ford fairlaine of the airliners as a badly configured retromod! Shame!

HammerheadFistpunch > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 04/29/2020 at 16:08

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I don’t know if this is much of a surprise.  Boeing was already on the back foot, I can’t figure how they would be doing anything but focusing on survival right now

ttyymmnn > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 04/29/2020 at 16:08

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How many MAXs are going to go straight to the crusher? Boeing is f**ked. Airbus will now sell a million A321s.  

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 04/29/2020 at 16:09

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We need some blended wing aircraft to really improve fuel economy .

ranwhenparked > DipodomysDeserti 04/29/2020 at 16:13

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They’ve been working to replace the 737 for years, the Max was just supposed to be a temporary stopgap to counter the A320neo until the new plane was ready, had Airbus not reengined their plane, Boeing would never have done the Max and would have gone straight to working on a new model.

This just means the 737 Max will stay in production even longer, probably way longer, than originally planned. Maybe into the 2040s or beyond. Assuming commercial airliners are still allowed to fly. 

ttyymmnn > ranwhenparked 04/29/2020 at 16:17

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Thing is, if Boeing hadn’t dicked around and gone ahead and built, or at least designed, the 797, they might be perfectly poised to capture the post-Covid market. Now their just boned. 

ranwhenparked > ttyymmnn 04/29/2020 at 16:21

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They don’t have the money though. Between slowing new orders, cancellations of existing orders, slowing spare parts and service, and the continuing remedial work on the Max, thats all they can handle

ranwhenparked > ttyymmnn 04/29/2020 at 16:30

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We’re going to see lots of aircraft dismantled well before their 20th birthday over the next year-2 years. I'd say every non-VIP A380 is pretty much dead now, and we'll see loads of middle aged 737NGs and A320ceos going to the rapper as well, simply to save on storage fees. 

DipodomysDeserti > ranwhenparked 04/29/2020 at 16:32

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Doesn’t sound like you’re innovating if your only real competitor catches you with your pants down with an entirely new aircraft. And then your stopgap is to try and trick regulators so it’s cheap, but ends up being very dangerous. 

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 04/29/2020 at 16:40

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There's already not much innovation. Most new plane models are just refinements and modifications of old ones.

Thomas Donohue > ttyymmnn 04/29/2020 at 16:40

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Airbus will increase production of the A380:

1) New seating arrangement has private cabins up front, and 1 x 1 x 1 seating in the back, with 6 ft between rows.

2) Gas is free

3) Profit!

ranwhenparked > DipodomysDeserti 04/29/2020 at 16:41

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It isn't an entirely new aircraft, the A320neo is a re-engined and upgraded A320, which dates to 1984. 

DipodomysDeserti > ranwhenparked 04/29/2020 at 16:50

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Yes, lots of innovation from both them I see.

Only Vespas... > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 04/29/2020 at 17:06

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Well, Reuters today has A irbus claiming they are on life support. The thing that keeps Boeing solvent is their defense arm. They make more off weapons than the commercial division. Airbus has a defense arm too but it’s tiny compared to the Lazy B. The one big project A400 Military Transport was a failure for many reasons and is bleeding the consortium. I would guess that for now Boeing gives away the next year of production on the Max a nd develops the 787-3, An already existing variant of the 787 with shorter wings, the -3 is that 757 replacement airline are looking for. Safe, existing platform with some new fancy engine.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 04/29/2020 at 17:08

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I tried picking coffee in Hawaii once, my friend got a job and wasn’t hating it so I said I would come and try since it was sort of an open call for workers. My family owned a coffee plantation in the 1800 s there so I thought it would be cool. It was not cool! Far from cool, we need robots for this stuff and less people on Earth. 

ttyymmnn > ranwhenparked 04/29/2020 at 17:11

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Send the MAXs instead. 

SiennaMan > Thomas Donohue 04/29/2020 at 17:21

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I half wonder if they won’t end up there sooner rather than later. I know those interiors have som e degree of reconfigurablity..

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 04/29/2020 at 17:24

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lol..yeah... field work is hard work

ranwhenparked > ttyymmnn 04/29/2020 at 17:49

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T oo much of an improvement in terms of range and fuel efficiency to ignore , and Boeing’s going to be offering great deals to move their year-end leftover inventory to make room for the 2021 models.

f86sabre > ttyymmnn 04/29/2020 at 19:08

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Assuming that Boeing can get the MAX to be stable, I am betting there are a bunch of MAX  freighter conversions . Cargo doesn’t care about a planes reputation.  Doesn’t help Boeing much though.

Jayvincent > HammerheadFistpunch 04/29/2020 at 19:48

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Boeing has been dancing a jig since the 787 rolled out three years late... like a firewalker made of straw, every step is a move away from whatever burned them last

ttyymmnn > f86sabre 04/29/2020 at 20:19

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Assuming....

f86sabre > ttyymmnn 04/29/2020 at 20:58

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Truth

Dogsatemypants > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 04/29/2020 at 21:13

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Poorly managed companies kinda deserve to die. If they were really the pinnacle of capitalist efficiency and sound practices, they would be able to weather the storm.

I agree that this is going to hamstring things in the short term. But if the big guys fail, there will he a bunch o f innovative little guys trying to fill the void.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Only Vespas... 04/29/2020 at 21:40

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even with shorter wings, and cabin thats a lot of bulk to move through the air. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 04/29/2020 at 21:46

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I’ve been hoping for this since 2003. :(