"CB" (jrcb)
04/22/2020 at 20:13 • Filed to: Trolley Problem
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"CB" (jrcb)
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“Who would run over the one person with the trolley?”
> Everyone but me raises their hands
“Who would run the five people over with the trolley?”
> I put up my hand
“...”
“Those five people are on an active track, they knew the risks! Buddy on the side track didn’t sign up for this!”
“..."
Azrek
> CB
04/22/2020 at 20:24 |
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Yeah, my empathy scores tended to be low...
“So...you decided to make poor choices and I am supposed to feel bad for ya? Don’t hold your breath...”
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CB
> Azrek
04/22/2020 at 20:28 |
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“It’s a train track! The train can’t go anywhere else! If you’re on that track, you knew what was coming!”
Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
> CB
04/22/2020 at 20:34 |
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You could run over these five dipshits or the one useful guy doing his job?
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CB
> Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/22/2020 at 20:37 |
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Well, normally it’s five dipshits plus one less of a dipshit.
There’s another version of the problem where, in order to save the five people on the track, you have to push a guy in front of the trolley to stop it. Which makes little sense to me, because if one dude stops the trolley, then realistically maybe one or two would die and the other three would be terribly injured. Homicide versus a terrible accident.
RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire
> CB
04/22/2020 at 20:39 |
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run over the people on the track, then stop the trolley when the moral outrage hits. best of both worlds.
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CB
> RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire
04/22/2020 at 20:40 |
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And send everyone an email saying "hey friend, here's what we're doing to keep you safe".
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Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
> CB
04/22/2020 at 20:40 |
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If the one person falling onto the tracks could save the others then there’s clearly time for the others to move out of the way. This is simple physics
Brickman
> CB
04/22/2020 at 20:43 |
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Full speed ahead >:D
Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire
04/22/2020 at 20:45 |
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And blame the manufacturer of the trolley’s wheels.
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Azrek
> CB
04/22/2020 at 20:46 |
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So who are the folks on the track? Are they useful to society? Or just ‘eaters’, eh? If they are NASA engineers I’d stop the train with my face.
fintail
> CB
04/22/2020 at 20:49 |
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Moral reasoning was a graded class? Kids today...
AestheticsInMotion
> CB
04/22/2020 at 20:50 |
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Alternatively, just get another train.
MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick)
> CB
04/22/2020 at 20:51 |
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CB
> fintail
04/22/2020 at 21:02 |
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University class.
WilliamsSW
> CB
04/22/2020 at 21:03 |
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Do I have stock options or profit sharing in the trolley company?
ranwhenparked
> CB
04/22/2020 at 21:07 |
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Unless the company stands to lose more than $135 million, I’d stop the trolley. Figure 15 people, average wrongful death settlement of $9 million or so each...
WRXforScience
> CB
04/22/2020 at 21:09 |
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Moral reasoning sounds like an oxymoron. Reason is devoid of feelings and morality would only apply to the possible logical outcomes of issues; whereas, morality is a means to justify or judge actions, beliefs, and ideals. True reasoning is an amoral process.
There are no answers, only justifications for positions. If all answers can be correct, no answer is correct.
Snuze: Needs another Swede
> MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick)
04/22/2020 at 21:27 |
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I came for this. Thank you.
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Snuze: Needs another Swede
> CB
04/22/2020 at 21:28 |
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Why not both?
PowderHound
> CB
04/22/2020 at 21:42 |
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Trains don’t stop quick. If you have time to stop the train before it hits the people you could probably just remove the people from the track. More information is needed for this scenario
Chariotoflove
> CB
04/22/2020 at 21:53 |
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If I was your prof. I’d give you an A.
Is this the same problem we’re doing now with deciding to reopen the economy?
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Chariotoflove
> MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick)
04/22/2020 at 21:54 |
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This is precious. This kid will be president someday.
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Chariotoflove
> CB
04/22/2020 at 21:55 |
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That’s an easy answer. Rule 1: d on’t draw a murder charge.
Just Jeepin'
> CB
04/22/2020 at 22:01 |
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I’m reminded of the possibly apocryphal job interview someone failed by refusing to press the button in a hypothetical scenario where someone on the other side of the world would die a few minutes sooner, and in exchange the person pressing the button would get a million dollars or some such.
Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available
> CB
04/22/2020 at 22:03 |
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The action of switching the deaths of many in an accident for the death of one by your own hand has too many variables to be a useful test, which has always irked me. It is presented as having a correct answer when a situation would purely be governed by impulse and reaction. I suppose it is based on the false presumption that a split second decision reveals our value of human life but that is simply not the case.
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fintail
> CB
04/22/2020 at 22:14 |
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We didn’t have that back in my day. Us Xers just wing our morals.
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CB
> fintail
04/22/2020 at 22:22 |
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It was a class on philosophy, not a how-to. So I definitely failed.
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CB
> Chariotoflove
04/22/2020 at 22:23 |
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Very likely!
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fintail
> CB
04/22/2020 at 22:40 |
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I have virtually no memory of that class, which I think was some kind of basic/GUR requirement. I guess morals aren’t a part of my life.
SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
> CB
04/22/2020 at 22:51 |
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Failing such a class is the easiest act in life’s play.
I recall a science and ethics topic as part of my own course where most of my cohort failed simply because our explanation of our solutions to various ethical conundrums wasn’t always up to the convenors required standards.
And yet, 25 years later, twats on Twitter make our simplistic arguments on ethical decision making look like scholarly articles...
Jim Spanfeller
> CB
04/23/2020 at 00:36 |
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If I end up in a situation where someone asks me about the trolley problem, I’m using your answer.
haveacarortwoorthree2
> CB
04/23/2020 at 08:17 |
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Ah, the ole Kobayashi Maru.