"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
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When was the last time a US president openly encouraged civil disobedience for his own political gain? I can’t even any more. Seriously, fuck this guy.
President Trump on Friday began openly fomenting right-wing protests of social distancing restrictions in states where groups of his conservative supporters have been violating stay-at-home orders, less than a day after announcing guidelines for how governors could decide on an orderly reopening of their communities.
In a series of all-caps tweets, Mr. Trump declared “ !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! !” and “ !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! !” — two states whose Democratic governors have imposed social distancing restrictions that have shut down businesses and schools and forced people to remain at home. He also !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!”
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DucST3-Red-1Liter-Standing-By
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:01 |
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f*ck him with a rusty crank
For Sweden
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:01 |
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President Andrew Johnson was a proponent of people opposing state governments.
President Johnson would like the Governor of Virginia though, so I’m not sure how useful that parallel is.
CB
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:02 |
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How dare he attack places that have leaders with a backbone.
fintail
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:03 |
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Sounds like a step or two away from inciting violence.
I wish we could all be liberated from this feckless piece of shit, his guillotine-worthy family, and his corrupt cronies.
Oh yeah, I thought he had total authority over states? Guess not. To anyone who voted for this garbage: you fucked up.
Ash78, voting early and often
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:03 |
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He spelled “I BERATE” wrong. Change it. It works great.
covfefe.
PartyPooper2012
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:05 |
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Having a left wing news reporting read into some shit Trump tweeted and then getting irate over....
Here is what he actually said
Even I - Trump supporter have no idea what he is talking about.
I know some governors there have been doing some dumb shit like Michigan Governor said you can go on a canoe but not a motorized boat...
Virginia has been doing some Gun Grabbing activities since end of last year.
I don’t know what’s happening in Minnesota.
But anyway. I have no idea what he’s talking about... Much less what NYTimes is making up
wafflesnfalafel
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:06 |
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“States Rights!” wait, what? :)
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ttyymmnn
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:07 |
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Those are all states with Democratic governors. Why isn’t he telling Greg Abbot to liberate Texas? Trump Derangement Syndrome goes both ways.
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PartyPooper2012
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:09 |
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Well, if that were the case, why not tell NY, NJ, CT, PA etc to Liberate?
Surely there are a lot more states which are ran by Democratic Governors.
WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:11 |
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Here in MN, we have the 2nd lowest infection rate adjusted per population. I think it’s a great idea to throw that out the window and get people killed.
Deal Killer - Powered by Focus
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:11 |
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I’ve been waiting all day to bust this out...
Thanks.
Textured Soy Protein
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:11 |
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You don’t have to vote for him again, y’know. Come on in, the water’ s fine over here.
Just Jeepin'
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:11 |
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They’re protesting stay at home orders in Minnesota.
Can we at least agree that the president encouraging people to disregard government officials in the middle of a pandemic is unlikely to result in a positive outcome?
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WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:12 |
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People aren’t dying in MN because we’ve had an effective lockdown. That’s what’s happening.
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PartyPooper2012
> Textured Soy Protein
04/17/2020 at 14:13 |
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Have to? No. Want to? Yes! And I will. Sorry. Not sorry.
Milky
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:13 |
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Well right wingers showed up to the Michigan capital and shut traffic down. T hey also brought guns, proud boy posters and confederate flags just incase anyone was confused who they are.
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fintail
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:13 |
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TDS is 90% owned by the base, you’d have to be deranged to continue to support this shitshow. I can see why some otherwise reasonable people might have made the choice in 2016, but in 2020 there’s no excuse.
jimz
> fintail
04/17/2020 at 14:14 |
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NKato
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:14 |
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Trump keeps dropping hand grenades into the septic tank that is America. Is anyone really surprised?
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Textured Soy Protein
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:15 |
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The states he’s mentioning are mostly swing states , not solid blue.
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fintail
> jimz
04/17/2020 at 14:15 |
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That flag says it all about his devotees.
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Textured Soy Protein
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:15 |
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Here, take a very small amount of solace from this op-ed from a bunch of never trumpers.
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jimz
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:16 |
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do you honestly think your “explanation” makes it seem any better?
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PartyPooper2012
> Just Jeepin'
04/17/2020 at 14:16 |
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Governor making up bullshit rules is what people are protesting... and if someone is allowed on a canoe, people can go back to businesses as well. Practicing social distancing and face coverings - should be good to go to re-open and stop harassing people.
As a side note, some Michigan sheriffs are declining to enforce governor’s rules because they are stupid.
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Just Jeepin'
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:17 |
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So the answer is no, we should use our individual judgment and ignore the experts, which is exactly how we ended up in this mess.
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PartyPooper2012
> WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI
04/17/2020 at 14:17 |
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MN is slightly different than NY or NJ. Maybe it’s easier to implement a lock down in MN. NYC alone has over 10 million people on any given day ( well, not now but regular day)
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For Sweden
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:19 |
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President Trump confers with his generals in the field before the Sie ge of Lansing (2020, colorized)
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Textured Soy Protein
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:19 |
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It’s not too late to change what you want to the correct choice.
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PartyPooper2012
> jimz
04/17/2020 at 14:20 |
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My explanation? What have I explained? All I said was that a left wing news reporting outlet is reading into something Trump tweeted.
Do I want someone to reiterate and regurgitate and put their own spin on something that is right there in black and white for the world to see? I don’t I looked at it. I have no idea what he’s talking about so I ignored it. Like people ignored covfefe.
KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:21 |
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Someone put this guy in Arkh am Asylum, would give the Joker a run for his money in causing chaos.
gin-san - shitpost specialist
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:22 |
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I like how people make coronavirus a partisan issue.
I also like how he smooshed together 2A issues with coronavirus for some reason.
The USA is a really strange place.
Also, if this is government tyranny, isn’t this the time where Americans should take up arms and exercise their 2A rights against the government? Whenever I hear even a whisper about gun control I always hear that people need guns to protect themselves from the government. Now’s a good a time as any, right?
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PartyPooper2012
> Textured Soy Protein
04/17/2020 at 14:23 |
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You’re right. it’s not too late. In 2020, we’ll get 4 more years of T rump and then we’ll see whom we will be voting for.
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jimz
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:23 |
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yes, those “sheriffs” are three guys in BFE up in nowhereville, northern lower peninsula. When you’re in a place where nobody lives, I guess you can afford to be cavalier. until it’s a problem, of course.
“waiting until it’s clearly a problem” is why we’re in this shit in the first place.
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PartyPooper2012
> Just Jeepin'
04/17/2020 at 14:24 |
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Yep. We listened to Experts from WHO and they claimed there was no animal to human transmissions. Then they said there were no human to human transmissions... and we got ourselves into this mess.
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jimz
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:24 |
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My explanation? What have I explained? All I said was that a left wing news reporting outlet is reading into something Trump tweeted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well
Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well ) is a type of informal fallacy where irrelevant adverse information about a target is preemptively presented to an audience , with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing something that the target person is about to say.
But you knew that, which is why you mentioned it.
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WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:26 |
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I guess I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. I agree MN is definite ly not NY or LA, I’m just not sure what that has to do with keeping ourselves in a position of leading the nation in cases, even when adjusted for population.
SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:26 |
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I dunno. I was allowed to go in a Home Depot and a Lowe’s in El Paso the other day to get some essential items. Maybe Texas is taking the right approach? Wear a mask. Use the automated checkout. Stay away from other people. But I got my bottled water and my plumbing supplies.
this is basically a rural-urban disagreement. The rural area s are going to be relatively OK out of this and having those “certain media outlets” hyperventilate over some new outrage in South Dakota? Just seems a little overblown. What “works in Detroit” isn’t necessarily a good solution for the very, very rural Upper Peninsula...
Ultimately, policy almost needs to be determined county by county. Because the pressures in the rural, low-density areas of the country are quite different from Manhattan.
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PartyPooper2012
> WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI
04/17/2020 at 14:30 |
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I guess I am not sure what you are trying to say either.
You said something to the effect of an effective lock down in MN. Maybe it’s true. Maybe it isn’t, but if we compare apples to apples, Chinese were arresting people walking the streets when they had a lockdown. Did anyone get arrested in MN?
Was there any one to arrest - who was walking the streets during the lock down or did everyone follow orders?
I am not there. I don’t know. I did not see any reports of anyone being arrested or hassled otherwise.
I know in NY people still went to work for essential duties. Some idiots from neighboring states still went to NYC because they were bored at home (and yes, they ended up getting COVID).
I think it’s a lot harder to claim it’s a free country and then be able to tell people what to do - even if it’s for their own good.
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fintail
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:31 |
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What exactly did they spin? The unpresidented president tweeted it, they reported it verbatim. They didn’t decipher it or give it meaning. His words speak for themselves, and speak volumes of his mental state. Reaching hard there. If a FOX or WorldNet or Stormfront (all the same thing) source reported it, would it be OK?
MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:32 |
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Hi, Michigan resident and guy who recently had “symptoms of covid-19" here (i can’t say I had it because they didn’t have any tests available at the time). It sucks. You don’t want it. They need seriously need to stop politicizing this virus.
1. He’s jumping on the bandwagon of states that had protests against the lockdowns.
2. The protest in Michigan was basically a trump rally. Flags, signs, shirts, etc. It was clearly promoted. I’m not saying that was trump, but could have easily been a trump PAC. It also took place less than a mile from the biggest hospital in mid-michigan. Reports now say there weren’t any significant delays of ambulances (for the record this means they got lucky, not that it was OK) . But their are pictures of Dr’s in the street asking people to move their cars and messages posted by healthcare workers saying the non-stop honking for 3-4 hours was disruptive to patient care.
3. The boat thing is stupid. BUT you don’t need to go to the gas station to fill up your canoe and touch a gas handle. ALSO IT’S FUCKING SNOWING IN MICHIGAN WHY IS EVERYONE SO UPSET ABOUT NOT TAKING THEIR BOATS OUT?! My jet skis are nestled in the garage waiting for late May when I would even consider going out.
People are blowing shit way out of proportion in Michigan and it’s maddening. “she banned the sale of american flags!!!” Nah, she said stop shopping for shit you don’t NEED right now. No you don’t NEED a new flag. You don’t NEED 17 bags of Mulch and 20 plants to put in the ground in Michigan because you’re BORED.
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Textured Soy Protein
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:33 |
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That’s not the right choice.
Greasyplease
> WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI
04/17/2020 at 14:34 |
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I’m not currently living in Minnesota but my whole family is still there. I can’t describe how angry it makes me seeing this happen and these people putting my family at risk. Plus why on earth would they want to give up their nearly $1k a week unemployment check to go back to low paying jobs???
Chariotoflove
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:35 |
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I’m not sure either. I suspect it’s a little more nuanced than simple tweets reflect. My guess is people are mostly protesting some of the restrictions that seem to them. to go beyond prudent and into draconian. I’m pretty sure Trump is tweeting to support them and take the opportunity to solidify his base for the upcoming election. It these tweets seem ill advised to me in the current situation. We need people at their most calm and rational right now.
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Just Jeepin'
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:36 |
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By mid-January they were warning of human to human transmission, although they undeniably did downplay the risks. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-pneumonia-who/who-says-new-china-coronavirus-could-spread-warns-hospitals-worldwide-idUSKBN1ZD16J
That doesn’t explain why Trump, after 150k have died, is still downplaying the risks.
Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:38 |
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And then there’s these dipshits:
https://apnews.com/ea4c17f541c7c63fac52941a6f43b885
I hope they get to talk to the families of people who died from the virus to tell them that if they would have just eaten properly that they wouldn’t have died.
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Textured Soy Protein
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:38 |
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“I think it’s a lot harder to claim it’s a free country and then be able to tell people what to do - even if it’s for their own good.”
This is a false dichotomy.
Being free to do whatever one pleases is not an unrestricted right. Sometimes when there are extremely contagious diseases going around, there need to be TEMPORARY restrictions to limit people from interacting .
It’s clear from your other comments that you’re regurgitating a bunch of talking points from right wing propagandists and agitators. There’s no reason to trust these people above scientists and doctors.
“Fuck your rules, this is a free country” is not a valid political platform. You don't need to cling to it for the sake of some hypothetical ideals of freedom. The virus doesn't give a shit about ideas like this.
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jimz
> Just Jeepin'
04/17/2020 at 14:39 |
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you’ve got to think like an idiot here- an idiot thinks “oh, the experts changed their recommendations once new information became available? That must mean experts are always wrong about everything!”
I don’t get people who want to be ignorant. I guess it’s soothing or something.
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Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
> For Sweden
04/17/2020 at 14:39 |
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President Johnson would also like to congratulate Land O Lakes for finally making the right decision.
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PartyPooper2012
> Textured Soy Protein
04/17/2020 at 14:39 |
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No one is perfect. If you vote for one person and I vote for another, one of us has made a mistake in the eyes of the other.
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jimz
> SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
04/17/2020 at 14:43 |
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I dunno. I was allowed to go in a Home Depot and a Lowe’s in El Paso the other day to get some essential items.
I just got back from Home Depot with some gardening supplies (my pepper and tomato plants are busting out of the starting kit.) You know what I did? I ordered them online, selected “pick up,” went and got my order from the customer service desk. In Michigan. Which is what we’re able to do. Or, go to e.g. Ace Hardware and get it.
Stupid shits only think the restrictions are arbitrary because they see “Meijer and Wal-mart have to pause in-store shopping of non-essentials like gardening supplies” and interpret that as “OMG NAZI WHITMER SAYS WE CAN’T BUY SEEDS!!!!!!!” Normally I’d say it’s not my problem they’re incapable of using 1% of their brain capacity to read what is actually being done, but when they gather like they did two days ago and strut around with guns like they’re fashion accessories, they’re one step away from making their shit-brained behavior everyone’s problem. I didn’t ask those stupid fat fucks to “protest” on my behalf, and I really wish they’d find some other way to soothe their desperate need to feel important.
Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:44 |
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His political position basically reflects the people he talked to in the past 30 minutes. Somebody probably reminded him--again-- that elections are coming and he needs to stir his support base demographic.
RallyWrench
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:45 |
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You know, I had a big, long response typed up with 27 8x10 glossy photographs with circles and arrows and paragraphs on the back of each one, but it’s just not worth engaging . Best of luck, stay healthy.
gettingoldercarguy
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:45 |
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I say let them congregate, etc. But also have a separate hospital with doctors who volunteer to take care of them, and allow insurance companies to volunteer to pay for treatment.
You want to do stupid, fine. Own it.
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PartyPooper2012
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
04/17/2020 at 14:46 |
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100% agree with you
Governors of other states handled it differently though.
Some have said - Shelter in place. Avoid travel unless for necessities - Food, medicine or emergencies.
They didn’t go into details about you can buy a Trump poster but not American Flag. That type of micromanagement is what people get irate over. Who is the governor to tell me what my necessities are. Tree falls on my roof - I can’t go to home depot to get a chain saw and a tarp?
My tire gets a flat and I need to get to hospital because I am a doctor - I can’t get my tire repaired?
Yes. I completely agree people should stay in place and avoid unnecessary travels. But that should be the entiret y of the order. Don’t open a can of worms with you can buy this but you cant buy that.
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Textured Soy Protein
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:46 |
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And yet only one of us will have made a real mistake. It won’t be me. Not all opinions and choices are equally good.
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Just Jeepin'
> jimz
04/17/2020 at 14:46 |
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I want to believe this is all a hoax too. I want life to get back to normal.
Fog of war is a reality, not an excuse to spread idiocy faster than the virus.
qbeezy
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 14:48 |
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Preface: I am neither left nor right.
This is OBVIOUSLY a political ploy to form dissension in states he stands to swing in November. He wouldn’t dare tweet “LIBERATE NEW YORK”. His words are a call to mobilize/protest, in a time where earlier in the week he encouraged people to stay home.
That press conference he had with the video? Basically an illegal campaign ad. Making sure his name is on the checks? To let the poor/lower income, basically people who mostly go to check cashing places with no bank accounts, know “I did this for you”. He even initially downplayed the outbreak because he felt “it would hurt his reelection”.
He is politicizing and being untruthful as media outlets. i.e. Mrs. Conway insinuating the WHO failed the world by saying COVID-19 was the 19th iteration of this virus, which wasn’t true.
This whole thing should let people know, they all are F***ING liars.
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PartyPooper2012
> Chariotoflove
04/17/2020 at 14:49 |
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100% agree. On one hand, we have trump who many here dislike. On the other we have pelosi showing off her freezer full of expensive ice cream.
I know for a fact whom I will be voting for this election.
vondon302
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:50 |
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Have you ever seen the in land lakes motor boats enthusiast in Michigan? They all tie up together and drink all day..
I'm curious on why you're still a Trump supporter? I'm no fan of the Democrats but it's so obvious that Trump only worries about Trump and what has he done well besides piss off the left?
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jimz
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 14:51 |
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“They didn’t go into details about you can buy a Trump poster but not American Flag.”
neither did Michigan, you liar. It might help you to actually read the executive order instead of letting idiots on twitter, facebook, and the TV try to tell you what it says.
edit: here’s the executive order in question. Please show me where it says you can “buy a Trump poster but not American flag.” Please show me where it says you can’t “Buy seeds.”
https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705-525182—,00.html
here, I’ll even paste the relevant clause:
For stores of more than 50,000 square feet:
Limit the number of customers in the store at one time (excluding employees) to 4 people per 1,000 square feet of customer floor space. The amount of customer floor space must be calculated to exclude store areas that are closed under subprovision (2) of this subsection.
Close areas of the store—by cordoning them off, placing signs in aisles, posting prominent signs, removing goods from shelves, or other appropriate means—that are dedicated to the following classes of goods:
Carpet or flooring.
Furniture.
Garden centers and plant nurseries.
Paint.
By April 13, 2020, refrain from the advertising or promotion of goods that are not groceries, medical supplies, or items that are necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation, and basic operation of residences.
See that? it doesn’t say anything about what people can and can’t buy. it strictly says that stores over 50,000 square feet can’t make anything other than groceries, medical supplies, and essential care products open for in-store shopping.
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SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
> jimz
04/17/2020 at 14:54 |
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And, I’m glad that worked for you.
The “order online and pickup” thing has been very hit-and-miss. With a leaky propane line out at the shop, intermittent internet and inability to know for sure that I could get what I needed— for my purpose s it was nice to go into the store, ask a question from 10 feet away, and get my propane water heater working.
I recognize Your Mileage May Vary, but for those of us with business and personal interests in the most rural parts of the country? What works in Detroit isn’t necessarily the right prescription for Grayling Michigan or Pickstown SD.
It sounds like the protestors must have blocked your path the other day, so I’m sorry for that.
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PartyPooper2012
> Textured Soy Protein
04/17/2020 at 14:58 |
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You may have missed my point.
My point was that this country is built around the notion of freedom. We can vote for whom we like. we can talk about government without prosecution. Go about our lives working where we like. Doing what we like.
Compare that to North Korea for example. Completely different.
Then a virus comes about and government recommends we shelter in place etc. But the freedom in our blood says - well shit, if I am going to stay home for few months, might as well be productive. So people try to sneak out to home depot and grab some mulch or 2x4s. Build something they’ve been meaning to etc.
All that to say it’s a lot harder to tell free blooded american that they can’t go outside and be locked down for unde termined amount of time.
Should they - yes. Will they - seems the answer is no.
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ttyymmnn
> Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/17/2020 at 15:00 |
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They want to be able to put their masks on (or not) and go shopping, then return to the safety of their homes, while forcing all of the store employees to work and risk their health. Nice.
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jimz
> SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
04/17/2020 at 15:01 |
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I recognize Your Mileage May Vary, but for t hose of us with business and personal interests in the most rural parts of the country? What works in Detroit isn’t necessarily the right prescription for Grayling Michigan or Pickstown SD.
am I to assume your only option out there is a >50,000 square foot superstore?
christ. if you can’t go shop for seeds at home depot or meijer, go to Ace Hardware. they’re less than 50k sq. ft and aren’t covered by that restriction.
DipodomysDeserti
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 15:02 |
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Now you won’t be able to tell the Trump supporters from the detractors.
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 15:02 |
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I’m glad you agree with me but you’re misunderstanding the order. JimZ covers a bunch more in detail but basically she didn’t micromanage ANYTHING and every one continued packing into stores and our infection rates continue climbing. Wayne county (contains Detroit, and my town) is in the top 10 most infected in the entire country. Sure the UP doesn’t have a huge problem. But lets keep it that way.
So she limited the capacity of stores, said to close down certain areas of the stores (other than garden centers and the paint section, she was real vague on this).
People are mad they can’t travel to their vacation homes too - real mad. If you live in a top 10 infected county in the country, meandering about to other areas of the state is an awful idea. But no one will do the right thing on their own right now.
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jimz
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
04/17/2020 at 15:05 |
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ALSO IT’S FUCKING SNOWING IN MICHIGAN WHY IS EVER YONE SO UPSET ABOUT NOT TAKING THEIR BOATS OUT?!
because the governor is a democrat. I guarantee you if this happened while Snyder was still in office there’d be no protesting, these fat fucks would be thanking him for keeping them safe.
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PartyPooper2012
> jimz
04/17/2020 at 15:05 |
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Here you go kind sir
Close areas of the store—by cordoning them off, placing signs in aisles, posting prominent signs, removing goods from shelves, or other appropriate means—that are dedicated to the following classes of goods:
Carpet or flooring.
Furniture.
Garden centers and plant nurseries.
Paint.
Those areas of stores are to be closed. People are protesting that their ability to buy a garden hose in the spring has been hindered.
My example of a trump poster vs american flag was a hyperbole.
Lost in your own world. Don’t even know which way is up.
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ttyymmnn
> Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
04/17/2020 at 15:05 |
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Interestingly, the Tweets came out right after a segment on Fox News about the protests. It’s beginning to look like Fox is now the most powerful “person” in the country.
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Textured Soy Protein
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 15:06 |
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People are still allowed to go to Home Depot and buy mulch and 2x4s.
The reason some states are discouraging various stores from selling various things are that lots of people are going to these stores to buy supposedly non-essential items. More people in stores means more chances for the virus to spread.
I personally think it’s a bit silly to try to reduce the number of people in stores by restricting categories of things they can and cannot sell and instead think there needs to be a limit on the number of people allowed in a store based on square footage. But even then, there’s some rationale for limiting what the stores can sell because without those restrictions, it makes the lines outside the stores with capacity restrictions that much longer.
Now is not the time to cling to ideals at the expense of thinking pragmatically. The virus is here and we need to be smart about reducing its spread.
I’m normally a card carrying member of the ACLU and a fierce supporter of civil liberties, but it’s readily apparent to me from everything the scientists and doctors are saying that we need to temporarily give up some of those liberties if we want to have any hope of limiting the damage. Nobody is sitting around saying, “hey I hate freedom, this is a perfect opportunity to get rid of it!” They’re trying to save lives.
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> jimz
04/17/2020 at 15:08 |
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this.
And speaking of Snyder....where were these guys when he POISONED FLINT?
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 15:09 |
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But she only had to go that far because people were taking the time at home to do wildly unnecessary home improvement projects.
Also, despite a million reports, none of those bulleted points involve flags.
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jimz
> Textured Soy Protein
04/17/2020 at 15:09 |
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“Fuck your rules, this is a free country” is not a valid political platform. You don’t need to cling to it for the sake of some hypothetical ideals of freedom. The virus doesn’t give a shit about ideas like this.
it’s never been about that even long before this pandemic. Freedom in the constitutional sense has always mostly been about protecting the right of the people to speak out against the government w/o fear of reprisal. as opposed to what they came from where the monarch could jail you, make your life hell, or just simply disappear you if he didn’t like what you said.
it isn’t AND HAS NEVER BEEN about the unrestricted ability to do whatever you want, whenever you want, to whomever you want without any consequences. Sad that people don’t get that. That’s why we have laws against defamation, inciting violence, and the like which pass constitutional muster.
“your right to swing your fists ends at the tip of my nose.”
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PartyPooper2012
> Textured Soy Protein
04/17/2020 at 15:10 |
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Funny that though.
There are in fact people who sit around and think of ways of grabbing up liberties.
There was an idea kicked around for people to carry around their test results card on them. If they were recently tested and were negative, they are free to move about country/world etc. Those that have not, will have a restricted travel conditions.
Again. This was an idea. Nothing solid was passed.
But it was kicked around. I don’t know how that makes you feel, but I would not feel comfortable being harassed to show my test results to any joe shmoe who comes around the corner telling me where to go and what to do
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PartyPooper2012
> RallyWrench
04/17/2020 at 15:11 |
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Thank you. You stay healthy as well.
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PartyPooper2012
> vondon302
04/17/2020 at 15:14 |
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Oh you know. I just enjoy these type of chats. Most people give me shit while I support the “evil” guy. Popular guy was never my choice.
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jimz
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 15:14 |
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You missed the relevant part- “FOR STORES OVER 50,000 SQUARE FEET.”
If you need a garden hose right now, you can go to Ace Hardware and get one. Just not at Wal-Mart or Meijer.
Lost in your own world. Don’t even know which wa y is up.
Dude. Fuck you. Seriously. FUCK. YOU.
You had to deliberately omit a key part of what I said in order to try to not appear wrong. So don’t try to pull this “don’t know which way is up” shit on me.
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Textured Soy Protein
> SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
04/17/2020 at 15:15 |
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Speaking of South Dakota...
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Textured Soy Protein
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 15:18 |
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I’m sorry you feel that way but when we do inevitably start opening things back up again there are going to need to be systems in place to confirm people are not sick or have already had the virus before allowing them in some places.
It is not a nefarious freedom-hating scheme, it is a public health protocol. Stop equating strategies dictated by science with people hating freedom. It's just not true.
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SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 15:18 |
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Yeah. Exactly. It’s not like there’s been clarity on anything from the beginning. Even NOW nobody fully understands the mechanism of transmission.
Where I’m ashamed of our country is in failing to protect to most vulnerable in care centers. The only thing OBVIOUS from the beginning was the severe vulnerability of our oldest residents. That’s where our efforts should have gone from day one. Instead we’ve decided that a 25 year old going into a Home Depot to buy home repair items is a threat to humanity, even as the bodies pile up in nursing homes ?
And, the networks are attacking a rural state governor for trying to keep a vital food supply facility open? I guess we’re used to everything being politicized, but man it seems like at lot of attention is going to the wrong focus points...
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 15:18 |
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So, same shit different day
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/05/trump-media-feedback-loop-216248
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SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
> jimz
04/17/2020 at 15:20 |
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Lower. Population. Density.
More. Common. Sense.
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PartyPooper2012
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
04/17/2020 at 15:22 |
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I don’t know much about Michigan. It has been on my list to visit.
I imagine many businesses in the country are farmers, cattle ranchers, people that work on land? Maybe not big cities, but smaller areas.
That said - what are people supposed to do for business when garden section is closed because govna said so?
Yes - a store can implement certain limitation as to time and number of visitors etc.. But keeping it fair for all is what people want.
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PartyPooper2012
> jimz
04/17/2020 at 15:27 |
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You know. There is a nice way of having a discussion. And then there is your way.
Yes. I saw the 50,000 sqft clause. Great. I’m glad it’s there. I am glad they thought of it. I don’t know how many others saw it. I don’t know how many others have not actually read the official EO. My initial response was to a news reporting agency regurgitating shit that did not need any.
Similar to other news outlets that reported inability of Michigan residents unable to buy garden hose (and someone here mentioned an american flag) and inability to utilize motorized boat because govna said so.
We can have a calm cool collected conversation and clear up any miscommunications... or we can lob F bombs at each other and see how long it takes for the world to implode?
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SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
> jimz
04/17/2020 at 15:28 |
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Home Depot offers one-stop shopping, a huge parking lot and ability to conduct my business while never coming within 20 feet of another human being.
No disrespect to ACE, but Lowe’s and HD were “the right guys for this job” to paraphrase Lalo.
And, I’ll take the SD governor’s even-handed approach any day over the Michigan governor’ s.
And, there is a need to keep trucks rolling and food flowing. WE can’t keep milk on the shelf here in CA, even as they are dumping milk in Wisconsin with processing plants shut down. Ask yourself why that is...
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PartyPooper2012
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
04/17/2020 at 15:30 |
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I highly doubt there is a line some place to buy up all the American Flags they can get their hands on.
I also suspect people were lingering at hardware stores because they were bored at home and wanted to get away from wife and kids. I can’t blame them, but hanging out at a store currently isnt a good solution either.
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jimz
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 15:32 |
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you are deliberately omitting things I say before you respond to it. you are arguing in bad faith, and it’s pissing me off. and then you complain about “civility.” You are being a textbook sea lion.
Have a nice day.
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PartyPooper2012
> Textured Soy Protein
04/17/2020 at 15:32 |
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Until there is a vaccine, we might as well stay locked up.
I’ve seen reports that CoronaVirus re-emerges in recovered patients. I’ve seen reports that people who have had it, can get it again.
I don’t know whom to believe anymore. Every news agency is spitting fire to burn the opposite side.
Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
> jimz
04/17/2020 at 15:38 |
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I did the same, and picked up my s hwag at 6:30 this morning.
3point8isgreat
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 15:42 |
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I feel like using the freedom to disagree on politics is one of the most American things we can do.
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RallyWrench
> ttyymmnn
04/17/2020 at 15:42 |
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Corporations are people, after all.
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> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 15:42 |
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That’s a fair point. I think one of the huge differences, is that when asked, the people of MN obliged the stay at home order. There hasn’t been any need to arrest people, because (for the most part) people are fine with abiding by the rules.
From my point of view, staying at home is the best way to combat mass death, the fact that the government is telling us we have to, doesn’t change that fact. That, and the fact that the MN government has been super transparent about what it’s doing and why it’s doing it. The governor holds Q&A phone calls every weekday with his advisory staff , and has done so this entire shutdown.
Also, based on projections from multiple research firms (independent of each other), it sounds like MN businesses are going to start reopening May 4th. So hopefully we’re close enough to the end that people’s wills can hold out for a the remainder.
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 15:43 |
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“ I don’t know whom to believe anymore. Every news agency is spitting fire to burn the opposite side.”
Awww, poor you! So overwhelmed by all the hyper partisan news on both sides. perhaps this might help-
https://www.adfontesmedia.com/download-the-media-bias-chart/?v=402f03a963ba
H ere’s a personal challenge. For one week don’t watch either CNN, or read New York Times (The infamous “left wing” agency) or Fox News(known for being Fair and B alanced) or Daily Wire e ither. Stick to getting your news from sources in the dead center in this chart and figure it out yourself
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 15:43 |
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Michigan is one of the most beautiful states in the country. Sleeping Bear Dunes, Pictured Rocks, etc, I could go on all day. Come visit when the world isn’t shitty! You’ll be impressed. So much to see here.
Tons of farming ...but I promise you the farmers aren’t buying seed packets at Home Depot to plant 50 acres lol.
The closed gardening section at HD, Lowes and Walmart, is entirely because people aren’t listening to the stay home order. She had to because of how bad certain areas are. The state had to take over a convention center for a field hospital recently.
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 15:46 |
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some idiot store put the do not cross tape in front of the flag stand, a picture was taken, people lost their shit.
Yes exactly , the people are bored. Tough shit, go home. So am I! So are my cooped up kids. Doesn’t mean they should potentially spread the virus around to themselves or store workers. Hardware stores need to be there for legit home repairs, but not for boredom browsing.
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Textured Soy Protein
> PartyPooper2012
04/17/2020 at 15:46 |
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A vaccine could take another 12-18 months.
The purpose of these lockdowns is to reduce the number of cases throughout society. At some point, even without the vaccine, something resembling normal life will start to resume.
Should that be on the timeline Trump is pushing for? Absolutely not. The timeline cannot be set arbitrarily. We need things like testing capacity, the ability to contact trace and notify others when new infections arise, and plentiful supplies of protective equipment and hospital capacity. We also need the virus to be less prevalent in general so that there’s less of a chance for it to jump from one person to another. Once those things are in place, then we can think about gradually easing restrictions in a prudent way.
In the absence of the vaccine, we will need to be vigilant in protecting everyone from unnecessary exposure.
So much of the science about the virus is still unknown. Studies may show one thing or another, but they’re not making absolute conclusions. They’re raising possibilities. That’s why it seems like they’re in conflict with each other.
Until we have more concrete information, we have to proceed as if anyone could have it and spread it to others.
I strongly advise you to stay away from right wing media like Fox News and the like. Even if in normal times it suits your politics, they’re spreading so much anti-science garbage and misinformation right now that if you take it seriously it's going to fuck with your head.
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SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
> Textured Soy Protein
04/17/2020 at 15:47 |
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“Fastest growing”... yeah, but they’ve only had six deaths.
She makes a good case for getting that plant open, only because we’re seeing a lot of food processing plants shut down across the midwest.
As I said in the other post, isn’t it ironic that we can’t keep milk on the shelf here in CA but they are dumping it in Wisconsin with processing plants shut down.
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PartyPooper2012
> SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
04/17/2020 at 15:49 |
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Yep.
Efforts to limit travels should have been done asap - not just air travel from china, but interstate travels unless commercial traffic.
I was saying from day one - sooner or later, there will be a National Guard Humvee parked on interstate here blocking all traffic and turning it around.
never happened.
I saw some reports that the chinese were arresting those who did not listen and stay home. I don’t know the legal grounds in this scenario, but some sort of detention... or at least being sent back home with a fine would have deterred those miami partyers and new orleans folks.
I can run into a local home depot and grab what I need in less than 5 minutes (during normal times) . I honestly don’t know who is dilly dallying out and about. No one I know for sure.
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Deal Killer - Powered by Focus
> RallyWrench
04/17/2020 at 15:49 |
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Yeah, just go round the back, life is better there.
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RallyWrench
> Deal Killer - Powered by Focus
04/17/2020 at 15:51 |
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You can get anything you want.. . Glad somebody got the reference.