[politics] Pennsylvania

"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction) 10/29/2020 at 12:40 • Filed to: None

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Hopefully the vast majority of news organizations don’t screw around with projections this year... just the facts, please! The counts, and the % reporting.

Don’t try to be first. Try to be RIGHT.

Pennsylvania, Michigan & Wisconsin can’t start opening envelopes and counting mail-in votes until Tuesday morning . There is pretty much zero chance we’ll know who won the election Tuesday night, and I’m not betting on Wednesday or Thursday, either...

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ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 12:44

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I get states’ rights and all that, but why we don’t have a standard system for federal elections is beyond me. I would also like to see Election Day take place on a Saturday, or be a national holiday, but we all know why that will never happen.

I think the added time in PA is to make sure that ballot boxes get lost.

Nothing > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 12:45

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I saw a giant Trooper and immediately the song, Raise A  Little Hell came to mind. Whether or not that’s related in any way, I dunno.

Future next gen S2000 owner > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 12:45

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All this nonsense about having to know who won that day is crazy. Certified counts don’t usually come until days or a week later. The projections are usually accurate enough for the winner to concede, making the count a formality. Given the score of other traditions broken, I don’t see that happening this year.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > ttyymmnn 10/29/2020 at 12:46

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Yeah, states’ rights for a national election sounds ridiculous.

Chariotoflove > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 12:47

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I don’t want to hear projections and predictions at all until the votes are counted.  If that means keep the envelopes sealed, then fine. No one’s vote should be reported until they are all in the box.

user314 > ttyymmnn 10/29/2020 at 12:48

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R emember, the US is not one country, it’s 50 smaller ones wearing a giant trench coat, and getting all of us to agree on anything is like herding ill-tempered cats. There’s also the xkcd factor:

ttyymmnn > user314 10/29/2020 at 12:50

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That’s why I made the distinction for federal elections. 

PowderHound > Nothing 10/29/2020 at 12:50

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We all need to raise a little hell.

For Sweden > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 12:50

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You expect goodness and decency from Mr. Regular’s home state?

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > user314 10/29/2020 at 12:52

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Well the person pretending to be the head has a good deal of authority. It’s not as bad as a confederacy where there is no head.

For Sweden > ttyymmnn 10/29/2020 at 12:53

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Bruh if election day is a national holiday I’m not standing in line to vote I’m going on vacation. I also assume that Jews don’t want to vote on Shabbos .

Jb boin > ttyymmnn 10/29/2020 at 12:53

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In here elections are on sunday, it doesn’t makes sense to me not to do the same but electoral college and non -voting Puerto-Ricans also doesn’t make sense to me...

Maybe i am the problem?

For Sweden > user314 10/29/2020 at 12:53

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So it’s like the UK, but with fewer secessionists .

Snuze: Needs another Swede > user314 10/29/2020 at 12:55

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Remember, the US is not one country, it’s 50 smaller ones wearing a giant trenchcoat

I love this analogy and am using from here on out.

Boxer_4 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 12:55

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user314 > ttyymmnn 10/29/2020 at 12:56

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I saw that, but remember that the founding fathers feared a central government gaining too much power (rightly so, as it’s turned out), and even at the national level, the actual elections were up to “the several states”; that’s why the “National Popular Vote” doesn’t matter, it’s who wins the majority of the 50 state elections that decides the President. 

boredalways > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 13:00

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I would be more concerned with the news media not properly reporting on Voter Intimidation before, during, and after Election Day than the actual ballot count. With or without the tRump administration’s coded messages, various groups and individuals have  been fired up.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > For Sweden 10/29/2020 at 13:00

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Why not all weekend?

user314 > Snuze: Needs another Swede 10/29/2020 at 13:00

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I saw that somewhere, but I cannot remember who said it first. Fits perfectly though...

Spanfeller is a twat > user314 10/29/2020 at 13:01

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I think it’s not a correct assumption that the US is fifty different countries. For one, they’re all governed by a single constitution (which is supreme), no one in the world recognizes them as fifty nations united under a ultranational congress (like the EU is), and the federal government of the US has jurisdiction over an assortment of territories and has its own population (one can be american without being of an american state)

Also, the Federal government operates an assortment of services states don’t handle which are necessary for the country; the army, the IRS, the immigration system, foreign relations, regulatory agencies... a whole bunch of things.

The electoral system in america isn’t fully federalized because it’s not convenient for the parties which run the country.

Chariotoflove > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever 10/29/2020 at 13:01

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Not really. Different states have different population densities, weather, organizational structures, etc. and on and on...

As long as each one can verify its votes properly and make sure everyone gets their change, they get to do it however works best for them.

For Sweden > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 10/29/2020 at 13:02

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That’s just early voting with extra steps

Chariotoflove > user314 10/29/2020 at 13:02

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Thank you. No body seems to understand the concept of Federalism  anymore. The states are not mere administrative departments like in many countries.

user314 > For Sweden 10/29/2020 at 13:03

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Yeah, and they’re mostly concentrated in Texas , which was an independent nation for a while, something they never fail to remind the rest of us...

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > ttyymmnn 10/29/2020 at 13:04

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I don’t know how much the feds can dictate “How” you conduct your election (after all, if it all turns the crap and even the appointed electors-with-a-tenuous-relationship-to-the-actual-vote-counts can’t come to an answer, then it goes to Congress anyway...)...

HOWEVER, I think the feds should have the right to say “We don’t care how  you do it, but you owe us all an answer by noon on the day after... OR, a formal declaration of ‘re-count’ and a timeline to figure it out”.

Letting a long tail dangle here is a huge risk factor.

Chariotoflove > For Sweden 10/29/2020 at 13:04

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Election Day on a weekday means I get excused from work.

What’s criminal is that daylight savings switch is always on a weekend so I don’t get the extra hour of sleep when I really need it.

Spanfeller is a twat > Jb boin 10/29/2020 at 13:04

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I think France has a mostly functional electoral system whereas the US has a mostly dysfunctional one. I don’t understand why france is presidentialist and every other EU country is pretty much parliamentary but, to miss translate , c’est ce que c´e st.

RallyWrench > user314 10/29/2020 at 13:05

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Nobody wants to know what happens under the trenchcoat. 

user314 > Boxer_4 10/29/2020 at 13:07

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Whoops....

boredalways > ttyymmnn 10/29/2020 at 13:08

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Federal laws could be written and approved for future federal elections, but they would only stick for as long as that majority is still in power. Unfortunately due to our division, that stopgap can’t possibly be made into an amendment with 38 states agreeing on anything anytime  soon.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Chariotoflove 10/29/2020 at 13:10

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That’s fair, and something a national committee can create a unified standard to accommodate states of different sizes and environments.  Agree to disagree.

user314 > Spanfeller is a twat 10/29/2020 at 13:12

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But that’s exactly what the intent was in the beginning : the states would have their own laws, with the federal government acting as a mediator between them as need , as well as acting for all the states on the international stage. Things have changed in the intervening centuries, for good and for ill, so now it’s more centralized.   

DipodomysDeserti > For Sweden 10/29/2020 at 13:13

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Shomer fucking shabbos.

user314 > RallyWrench 10/29/2020 at 13:13

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Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 13:13

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“Hopefully the vast majority of news organizations don’t screw around with projections this year... just the facts, please!”

LOL... news organizations aren’t the biggest problem with screwing around with projections.

The single worst organization for screwing around would be the Trump Organization.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > For Sweden 10/29/2020 at 13:16

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Well, as a percentage of “land area” and “population”, I’d say it’s pretty constant world wide.

Scots want out? Check!
N. Irish want out? Check!

Welsh looking nervously at the Severn? Uh, yeah...

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever 10/29/2020 at 13:17

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yeah, but lots of local elections also happen on Tuesday... In a lot of states the local elections have far more impact.

BigBlock440 > ttyymmnn 10/29/2020 at 13:18

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We do have a standard system for federal elections

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President

How the electors determine their vote is up to the states, it’s irrelevant to the feds.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > user314 10/29/2020 at 13:18

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Did that actually make it to newss tands?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > For Sweden 10/29/2020 at 13:18

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LOL

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Spanfeller is a twat 10/29/2020 at 13:19

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“States Rights”.  Are a thing.  thank you god!

DipodomysDeserti > Jb boin 10/29/2020 at 13:19

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Didn’t France used to use an electoral system for presidential elections? 

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > user314 10/29/2020 at 13:20

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And, will be again at this rate.

I believe there’s at least 7 ready to yell “Check Please!” depending on how this turns out.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/29/2020 at 13:20

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Oh, sure... but the last thing we need this year is for the majority of news outlets to call a pivotal state one way Tuesday night, only to have to reverse it a couple days later.

Thomas Donohue > ttyymmnn 10/29/2020 at 13:20

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For Federal elec tions, I’d prefer that there was an election month....why limit it to one day? Also, technology. I was able to create an online account to track my mail-in ballot (NJ) - why not just mail out the codes and give people the option to vote online? You risk hacking, but it’s on a vote-by-vote basis....right now the hacking attempts are at the polling place/ regional/state levels, and could result in massive amounts of votes changed. The reporting totals end up on line anyway....skip the middleman. Most people file tax returns online, and most would agree those are as important as a vote every four years.

In regards to a standard system, states have many more elections than just president every four years , but yes, it would be nice that there was some kind of standard. Then again, if there is one standard process, that’s one process to break and it all goes to shit.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Chariotoflove 10/29/2020 at 13:22

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I’m fine with that: final certified count only, as each state has it.

BigBlock440 > Spanfeller is a twat 10/29/2020 at 13:22

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Also, the Federal government operates an assortment of services states don’t handle which are necessary for the country; the army, the IRS, the immigration system, foreign relations, regulatory agencies... a whole bunch of things. 

States collect their own taxes, regulatory agencies (e.g. California Air Resources Board) and have their own armies .  

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Nothing 10/29/2020 at 13:23

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But, was it a SUPER Trooper?

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > user314 10/29/2020 at 13:23

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Heh. Can’t happen this time... The Polls...

‘oh, wait’...

Spanfeller is a twat > user314 10/29/2020 at 13:24

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I think the founders probably had a different interpretation to what the american governing system would become. But really, one must also consider that these people also gave so much leeway to the interpretation of responsibilities and rights of each level of government that in the end it allowed for a large federal entity to form. I don’t think any US states has realistically large enough bureaucracies to operate as individual nation- governments. Not only because they don’t have to, but because when they try to take on more responsibilities they’re stopped by the feds because of the interstate clause and shit like that .

In the end, I guess that the founders didn’t want a directly elected president, but they also couldn’t foresee how important the president would become, nor could they foresee how the US evolved... Holding yourselves to standards written nearly three hundred years ago is gonna hold y’all back. 

nermal > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 13:24

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Remember that they are going to count mail-in ballots in PA rec ei ved up to 3 days after the election, with no need to have a visible postmark. Seems kinda fucky. Especially since some estimates are that there’s a ~30% chance that PA will be the tipping point one way or the other. Hopefully it doesn’t come down to a small margin at the end of the 3 days.

I’m planning on voting in person on Tuesday, then having enough of a stockpile to not need to leave the house for at least two weeks if needed . Can trade TP for other rations to last longer if needed. 

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/29/2020 at 13:25

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You old enough to remember that shitshow in 2000? This is likely to be that shitshow, on a meth bender and a case of Everclear and a trunk full of tainted peyote. 

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > boredalways 10/29/2020 at 13:26

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Don’t worry about that. Election’ s not over in Dem precincts until all the dead people have had a chance to vote— at least twice.

Spanfeller is a twat > BigBlock440 10/29/2020 at 13:27

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But they also succumb to federal standards, like how some states give more taxes to the federation than they receive back in federal funding, how CARB was curved by the Trump admin, and how even each state has a DOT, trucks still have to abide by the USDOT.

hike > For Sweden 10/29/2020 at 13:29

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Why not a federal holiday on a Wednesday? If you really want to use it as vacation, you need to still burn 2 vacation days!

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/29/2020 at 13:31

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Or the mafia...

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > user314 10/29/2020 at 13:32

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She was a good sport about it... Oh, wait a minute. Maybe not.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/29/2020 at 13:33

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This is probably super accurate and also scary.

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 10/29/2020 at 13:34

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Also, the Federal government operates an assortment of services states don’t handle which are necessary for the country; the army, the IRS, the immigration system, foreign relations, regulatory agencies... a whole bunch of things.

Most states have agencies that handle all those services as well. The national guard is actually a state-run army with the governor acting as their Commander in Chief . S tates also have their own tax collection agencies (IRS) and a variety of regulatory agencies . Border states work directly with foreign governments as well (I’d argue that my state has a more developed relationship with local Mexican governments than the feds ). The federal government has a very limited ability to handle in-state issues, and can really only regulate things that involve interstate trade. The feds usually pressure states to follow federal regs by witholding highway funding. If you got a ballsy governor they could tell the feds to go pound sand on any number of federal laws and regulations.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Chariotoflove 10/29/2020 at 13:35

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No worries. The polls are very clear.

Vox says!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/29/2020 at 13:36

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No.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > nermal 10/29/2020 at 13:37

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Geez, so Friday evening/Saturday morning would be the absolute earliest we’d know the results.

Ha! Good plan.

boredalways > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/29/2020 at 13:38

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That's only applies to Chicago!  Having said that, what name do want to represent your deceased faux doppelganger?

Chariotoflove > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/29/2020 at 13:41

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Haha. Yes, reporting news and making news have always overlapped more than people like to admit.

Just Jeepin' > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/29/2020 at 13:43

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She was stupid for saying it that way, but she raises a valid point: let the election officials and l egal system and electoral college do their  jobs .

Spanfeller is a twat > DipodomysDeserti 10/29/2020 at 13:43

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I know states have their own tax bureaucracies , and national guards, and the sort. but they still bow down to the feds. But as you say, power in the US is very dynamic, and the amount of things the fed handles vs the states can change over time. 

Milky > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/29/2020 at 13:47

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2020 is wild because im not sure if this is satire or not.  

DipodomysDeserti > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever 10/29/2020 at 13:49

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One entity managing 230 million voters would be an even more ridiculous proposition.

user314 > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/29/2020 at 13:50

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user314 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 13:54

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Yes, but Newsweek recalled them. There’s still issues out there, but they go for insane prices...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > user314 10/29/2020 at 14:01

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According to the Post, Newsweek’s production partner, Topix Media, distributed only the Clinton issue to stores in the belief that she would be the winner.

Although retailers were told not to put issues on sale prior to the election, a few copies were sold. The paper quotes Topix chief executive Tony Romando as saying: “Like everybody else, we got it wrong.

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 10/29/2020 at 14:01

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In a lot of instances t hey bow to the feds out of necessity, not out of legal obligation. And then you have Indian reservations, which are explicitly recognized as sovereign nations , some of which even span international borders (like the Tohono O’odham in southern Arizona). Fun fact: there is no requirement that Indian reservations have democ ratic governm en ts. The Pueblo of New Mexico are a theocracy.

Future next gen S2000 owner > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/29/2020 at 14:03

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I do remember that. I also remember the ensuing shit show. I also remember neither candidate boasting they won the election until the courts weighed in and Gore conceded to Bush. While it was salacious at the time, I remember the candidates being relatively civil towards the whole process.

If that was a shit show, I can’t imagine what this year is going to be like.

To be fair, I was in high school so I didn’t really follow it too closely. My memories may not be accurate when my focus was on the whale tail in math class.

user314 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 14:03

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There was another newsmag that did the same thing (not the New Yorker, but the name’s similar ); one of the local talk guys has a framed copy that he brings up from time to time...

For Sweden > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/29/2020 at 14:03

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General Sherman wants to know your location

For Sweden > hike 10/29/2020 at 14:04

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that’s just mean

Spanfeller is a twat > DipodomysDeserti 10/29/2020 at 14:06

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Of course, I recognize that the system is so flexible it’s much more a matter of norms than it is of legal obligation. But given how flexible the system is, I don’t understand why there’s a fixation on keeping one of the more rigid parts of the system which also takes power away from citizens.

As for indian reservations, I am not well-versed on devolved  autonomy laws in Mexico, but my understanding is that on our side of the border indigenous communities (and since 2018, afro-mexicans too) can form their own borders and governments in every regard except when it comes to respecting the basic human rights outlined in the constitution, with an explicit mention of women’s rights. I read the constitution a couple of weeks ago (for fun, really) and I think that’s what it said, but it’s describe along a bunch of articles so I could be wrong.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/29/2020 at 14:08

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That’s the best response so far.  Agree with your point and local elections are way more influential in our daily lives.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > nermal 10/29/2020 at 14:12

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“Without postmark” doesn’t seem suspicious to me, given that most states are allowing in person dropoff of absentee ballots. Is this not the case in PA?

It is incredibly odd to me that states aren’t tallying mail in votes as they come in.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > DipodomysDeserti 10/29/2020 at 14:13

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I’m not saying I want a committee managing every voter. This is just an issue of where the intersection of federal regulation and states’ rights is actually drawn.

At one extreme, the Supreme Court hands down decisions that affect the whole country and nobody wants to get rid of that. On the other extreme, local sales tax rate is something nobody wants to be decided in Washington DC .

To me, vote-counting for the national leader lies somewhere in between, just saying that given a choice, I would personally prefer it to be more regulated at the national level. Not really a hill for me to die on.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/29/2020 at 14:15

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“Or the mafia...”

“ Trump’s characterization of New York crime families as “very nice people” might surprise those at the receiving end of Gambino racketeering, Lucchese loan sharking or Bonanno fraud. Not to mention the murders.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/02/donald-trump-mafia-letterman-video

https://www.newsweek.com/2019/01/18/donald-trump-mafia-connections-decades-later-linked-mob-1285771.html

Some would say the Trump family’s ties to the mob go back a long way.

Others would say that the Trump family IS part of the mob...

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/29/2020 at 14:16

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We’ve been sliding into the abyss since then. IMO, 1) t he introduction of racial diversity into the Presidency, and 2) the proliferation of fake news and other social media echo chambers have been key to this decline in civilised political discourse.  #2 applies worldwide.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 14:18

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I agree... but what the hell, since US politics is a wacky circus at the best of times, I say we go all-in on the wackiness and call it and un-call it as needed!

I’ll start... BIDEN WINS BY A LANDSLIDE... VOTE COUNT: BIDEN: ALL THE VOTES, TRUMP: ZERO.

I think there is a SMALL chance I MIGHT need to retract that...

Jb boin > Spanfeller is a twat 10/29/2020 at 14:22

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France has a presidentialist regime ( The Fifth Republic ) because of De Gaule (it’s often said that it was tailor made by/for him) : T he previous F ourth R epublic was getting unable to find a majority and form governments that would stay long enough to do any real work and nobody would take any responsibility /risks .

W hile you have the right literal translation, the quote can be translated as “ c’est comme ça ” (it’s like that).

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > user314 10/29/2020 at 14:24

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On the surface this is a fairly noble idea. Personally, I’m not sure the electoral college system is actually more “democratic” than a straight popular vote. Regardless, there isn’t enough political momentum to actually cause a referendum on the EC system so my comments are really just for sh*ts and giggles.

The other democratic government I have significant exposure to is Taiwan, where the President is directly elected. They seem to have a decent balance of a partisan national leader, and a mix of local leaders that span the political spectrum depending on the city/county. Since the 1990s they’ve already had 3 peaceful party flips in the presidency, with each incumbent successfully attaining re-election once.

Of course, Taiwan has a different history, culture, economic and geographic environments , and is about the size/influence of one major US state.

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 10/29/2020 at 14:25

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The only flexibility is that states are treated as their own mini nations, and thus can agree to follow federal laws and regs that don’t involve interstate trade. If you look at other nations with a population similar to ours, I think we’ve got a pretty good system. Comparing us to nations with an order of magnitude less people is not really fair. What works in a nation of 3 0 million is not going to work as well in a nation of 300 million.

Many of the treaties made with Indians were done before they were living within the United States, so our Constitution doesn’t always apply. I’m currently taking a course on Indian environmental laws and regulations. The professor is a member of the Yaqui tribe. Pretty interesting history. They fled Porfirio Diaz and set up a community in Arizona, founding the city of Guadalupe, which is in between Phoenix and Tempe. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/29/2020 at 14:26

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I want Trump to walk away from the White House embarrassed, and for all his disciples to see him as a LOSER.

Unfortunately, I’m not sure embarrassment is an emotion that a narcissist is capable of feeling, and his loyal hordes will surely believe the DEEP STATE somehow stole this thing from him, regardless of how clearly the nation chose to send him packing.

Mid Engine > hike 10/29/2020 at 14:27

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Voting in Canada works that way, by law your company has to give you four uninterrupted hours to vote. So, take the morn ing off, or the afternoon. Paid.

punkgoose17 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 14:32

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My Pennsylvania mail in election ballot status says, “B allot R eceived 10/24/2020, Status: Vote Recorded.”

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > punkgoose17 10/29/2020 at 14:34

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Good for you.

punkgoose17 > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/29/2020 at 14:40

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I am guessing the odds of the vote being a difference of around 537 votes is low; should lessen some of the shit show.

Jb boin > DipodomysDeserti 10/29/2020 at 14:41

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There has been universal suffrage (every vote count the same) since the Second Republic (between 1848 and 1851 and it was planned to be implemented in the First Republic) but only men  at that time (they got the right to vote in 1944).

punkgoose17 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 14:45

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“Vote Recorded” sounds like they counted the votes , but reading the law I guess that is not the case.

Spanfeller is a twat > DipodomysDeserti 10/29/2020 at 14:47

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I don’t think America should be more centralized. I just believe that given how centralized it already is, giving people fairer representation at a national level is not something undesirable . In fact, I’m a big supporter of federalism here in Mexico, god knows centralizing shit has done us more harm than good.

Maybe they’d be able to clear up a bit on how the laws work in Mexico, specially since the border region probably has indigenous communities separated by the US/Mexico border . A cornerstone of the Mexican legal system is that no law is retroactive; so if an indigenous community attained devolved autonomy prior to x,y,z reform they get to keep it until the end of time. So some communities have some rights others don’t and the such. The model is often ignored, which is a shame because sometimes that autonomy has done real good, a very publicized case is that of Cheran in Michoacan.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > punkgoose17 10/29/2020 at 14:48

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Unless someone’s breaking the rules!

That is interesting... They shouldn’t assume your vote is valid (and can be recorded) if it’s still in the envelope.

subexpression > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 14:51

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As soon as people started talking about doing a lot more mail-in or absentee ballots I could see a massive shit-show coming. Normally there are so few that it’s just a formality. Beyond the time involved, I fully expect to see some numbers change when places catch mistakes because they don’t usually handle this much volume .

atfsgeoff > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/29/2020 at 14:56

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The 24 hour news media absolutely WILL spend the next month straight talking about projections and the likely winner and go on and on about it every waking hour. I suggest turning off your TV and not visiting any news sites if you don’t want to read or hear about it.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > subexpression 10/29/2020 at 15:00

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Makes perfect sense in Covid times...

I’m just hopeful no state is like, “Oops, we just found a few thousand more ballots!” after they’ve already put the official numbers out.

fintail > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/29/2020 at 15:01

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You didn’t get anything done in large scale construction in metro NY/NJ in the 80s and 90s without at least being friendly with the mob, if not being part of it yourself. Anyone who denies 45 has at least minor links to this is either delusional or a flat out liar.   Probably not much different today, too, now with added Russian mafia content.  But as Rudy is a Russian asset and 45 benefits from money laundering, it all works.

Maybe 45 can tell some of his fine people to stand back and stand by. What a fine man.

fintail > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 10/29/2020 at 15:01

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/24/heres-everything-trump-has-said-about-refusing-to-give-up-power/#5aec193f2e43