A couple of nice oldish VWs.

"Svend" (svend) 10/27/2020 at 14:11 • Filed to: None

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Just had these come to mind. I quite like these old-ish cars. 

First a VW Fox (smaller than the Polo, which is smaller than the Golf).

2010, VW Fox, 1.2, 55bhp, manual, £2,495.

Unpainted bum pers, steel wheels with wheel trims,

Hand wind windows,

cup holders in the rear.

Not a bad place to be.

VW Lupo (smaller than the Fox, which is smaller than the Polo, which is smaller than the Golf).

2001, VW Lupo, 1.6GTi, 125bhp, manual. £3,995.

Very nice for a 2001 very compact car.

Quite a large engine for such a small car.

jminer > Svend 10/27/2020 at 14:14

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I love both of those!

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Svend 10/27/2020 at 14:17

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Saw a place yesterday in Tennessee. Beetles, Super Beetles, Mk. 1 “Rabbit” Golfs mostly - might have even have had a 411 or two. Must have been 30+ overall, maybe 40 .

Sadly, most not in very good shape, but that was probably as many VW products I’ve seen in one place outside a new car dealer.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Svend 10/27/2020 at 14:22

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A Passat is bigger than a Golf, which is bigger than a Polo, which is bigger than a Fox, which is bigger than a Lupo, which is bigger than a bike.

MUSASHI66 > Svend 10/27/2020 at 14:23

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That little Lupo looks like it would be pedal to the metal fun! I drive an Abarth 500 with 160hp, so small cars that punch above their  weight class speak to me.

Svend > jminer 10/27/2020 at 14:23

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Little cars of that period were great, quite basic, compact and some sporty options. 

KnowsAboutCars > Svend 10/27/2020 at 14:25

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One has to ask, how many really small hatches VW thought they needed at the time?

Svend > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 10/27/2020 at 14:26

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I knew a guy at my previous job who had a Mars Red, VW Golf GTi. It was like a little go-kart on the up hill winding road coming out of Whitehaven harbour.

Sadly, some g*t stole it.

Just like this one.

jminer > Svend 10/27/2020 at 14:27

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I had an 01 Focus ZX3 and it while it is bigger than that Fo x it was one of the smaller cars sold here. It was seriously fun to drive, crank windows and everything. The only option she had was AC.

I miss cheap, honest cars. I also know that outside of Oppo not many others do.

Svend > jminer 10/27/2020 at 14:37

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Cheap honest manual window, petrol and manual gearbox have there places. We have this 2019, Dacia Sandero Access 1.0, 70bhp, 730miles on the clock for £6,000.

No radio though (the wiring is there)

VW Max > KnowsAboutCars 10/27/2020 at 14:38

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IIRC the  Fox and Lupo were not sold at the same time in Europe.

Svend > KnowsAboutCars 10/27/2020 at 14:41

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I’m okay with them doing it though.

I think the Fox was from another market but they offered them in the home market. 

Aremmes > WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI 10/27/2020 at 14:43

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Are you sure about the last one? There are some big bikes out there.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Svend 10/27/2020 at 14:43

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I had a Mk1 Caddy “Rabbit Pickup” diesel myself for a while. Also Mars Red. A few Westmoreland factory build issues and some odd quirks (A/C compressor mounts working loose) didn’t stop me from driving it from... ~ 22 0,000 miles I think it was, up to 242,000. Would have been cracking with a GTI drivetrain, which I think is a popular thing to do.

Svend > VW Max 10/27/2020 at 14:44

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Ye’, the VW Lupo/Seat Arosa was sold up to 2005-5, then the Fox was from 2006. 

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Svend 10/27/2020 at 14:52

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Just how bad is g*t in terms of a cuss word? I never really thought about it actually. I kind of figured it was a pretty mild insult but maybe not?

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Svend 10/27/2020 at 14:53

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No radio? I think you could technically buy a 2010s VW Jetta sedan without a radio but I can’t think of a car I’ve seen without one past like 1970. 

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > Aremmes 10/27/2020 at 14:54

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Fair point

Svend > MUSASHI66 10/27/2020 at 14:57

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I like that while there are fewer doing them, some still are even if they themselves may not be doing them soon .

Ford Fiesta ST-3

Toyota Yaris GRMN

VW Polo GTi

Suzuki Swift Sport

Kia Picanto GT-Line S

etc... 

flatisflat > Svend 10/27/2020 at 14:57

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I would Lupo all the live long day.

jminer > Svend 10/27/2020 at 14:58

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I love how horrified that dash looks since the radio is gone.

Svend > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 10/27/2020 at 15:03

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I think it’s very low.

I t hink it’s, from low upwards, g*t, bast**d, toss*r, w*nker, ar*ehole, tw*t, c*nt.

But some still don’t like g*t. It’s not often used as it’s fell out of use.

Svend > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available 10/27/2020 at 15:05

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I think some BMWs still have radios as cost options in that you choose and pay for what radio is fitted.

I know it was up until a few years ago at least as a customer said he had to spec the radio. 

MUSASHI66 > Svend 10/27/2020 at 15:14

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Polo GTi might be the closes thing to the original Golf Gti and it is a lovely motor.

That Toyota is pure sex, I am very interested in how the US model GRMN will look like.

Svend > flatisflat 10/27/2020 at 15:14

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I think it’d go like that clappers and be a joy to drive.

This one is a rarer Ravenna Blue, GTi with Recaro seats. 

KnowsAboutCars > VW Max 10/27/2020 at 15:19

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Finland didn’ t get either IIRC. Polo was our smallest VW. There’s a number of grey market import Lupos around though.

Svend > MUSASHI66 10/27/2020 at 15:29

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Ye’, a 197bhp, 2.0 motor in something more of a size the Mk2 Golf was,

Mk2 Golf GTi 137 bhp - 2020 Polo 196bhp - 2020 Golf GTi Moda 216bhp

Length 3,985mm - 3,976mm - 4,268mm,

Width 1,610mm - 1,901mm- 2,027mm,

Height 1,415mm - 1,462mm - 1,442mm,

Jb boin > Svend 10/27/2020 at 18:10

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The current Polo is almost exactly the same size as the Golf 4 :)

And the current GTi is about the same thing in term of weight and peak power and torque figures as a Golf 4 GTi with a stage 1 remap.

Svend > Jb boin 10/27/2020 at 23:42

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Cheers for that. 

Mentally I had the Golf Mk4 as being bigger for some reason.

I do prefer the current Polo’ s over current Golf’s on size. Physically the Golf isn’t much larger but visually it is.

duurtlang > jminer 10/28/2020 at 12:08

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I had an 01 Focus ZX3 and it while it is bigger than that Fox it was one of the smaller cars sold here.

A Focus is 2 segments above though. The Focus is a compact, the Lupo and its replacement the Fox are not even subcompacts like the Fiesta , they are city cars like the Fiat 500 .

jminer > duurtlang 10/28/2020 at 14:45

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The first gen focus is about half the size of a last gen focus. I had one of each. The ZX3 was smaller than the last Fiesta and only a little larger than the current fiat 500.

But yeah  I know the cars we get here are huge compared to europe and even more so now.