"Just Jeepin'" (macintux)
10/27/2020 at 07:30 • Filed to: Planelopnik, Travelopnik
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"Just Jeepin'" (macintux)
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This story is just terrible on multiple levels, but it really drives home how tenuous the concept of consent is when it comes to flying, especially flying internationally.
When people hold your freedom in their hands, who may be able to prevent you from making a wedding, or a job interview , or the bedside of a dying loved one, and demand you do outrageous things...when you’ve been traveling for hours in cramped conditions and simply want some rest...
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haveacarortwoorthree2
> Just Jeepin'
10/27/2020 at 07:52 |
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Sounds like more a governmental overreach than anything done by the airline.
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Just Jeepin'
> haveacarortwoorthree2
10/27/2020 at 07:58 |
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Agreed. That’s why the “constitution doesn’t really apply here” border zones in the U.S. are so problematic.
Jayvincent
> Just Jeepin'
10/27/2020 at 08:16 |
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I love the business model - you pay upfront, they promise to make an effort to transport you from a to b. No guarantee of timely arrival, no guarantee of method of transport, no guarantee of arrival at all, no refunds - take a voucher to try again.
The Snowman
> Just Jeepin'
10/27/2020 at 08:43 |
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Seems like Qatar being Qatar more than anything else.
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Just Jeepin'
> The Snowman
10/27/2020 at 08:45 |
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I think we re I a woman I’d refuse to travel to any Arab country for work or pleasure.
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The Snowman
> Just Jeepin'
10/27/2020 at 08:48 |
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I refuse to travel to a few countries out of principal. Especially if their health system is basically run by T.I. and they can just inspect your reproductive organs like your his 20yr old daughter.
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Just Jeepin'
> The Snowman
10/27/2020 at 08:51 |
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T.I.?
facw
> Just Jeepin'
10/27/2020 at 08:51 |
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Yeah this is awful, and it really shows the culture difference. Here of course this would be a clear 4th amendment violation (though as Just Jeepin’ notes, we have some shitty court rulings regarding the applicability of the C onstitution when it comes to CBP’s operations).
Even if they were really going to try to hunt down this irresponsible mother (irresponsibility no doubt encouraged by Qatar’s crappy laws), it seems like it would be way better to just get a quick cheek swabs for DNA testing than to sexually assault these women on the tarmac. Sure the criminal might get away, but, if they really cared, they could try to extradite.
Grindintosecond
> Just Jeepin'
10/27/2020 at 08:57 |
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That was inexcusable on so many levels. Also, for a country, the first arab one, who allowed women the right to vote and hold office in equal to the men, to allow a forced ‘inspection’ of women, is truly showing the real social morality of the mid-east. Politically driven, and relaxed for convenience of that when ‘necessary.’ They support human rights and equal rights, unless they don’t like someone reporting the truth, or women deiving cars and doing things such as talking out of line for what they actually think, or someone who wasn’t born of a rich family so they must work in camps. Otherwise, equality for all!
Cash Rewards
> Jayvincent
10/27/2020 at 08:57 |
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“ You don’t like it? Docks are that way. See you in a few weeks”
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Grindintosecond
> Just Jeepin'
10/27/2020 at 08:58 |
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and that is a huge problem.
Jb boin
> Just Jeepin'
10/27/2020 at 08:59 |
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https://nypost.com/2019/11/11/t-i-s-daughter-unfollows-him-after-hymen-check-outrage/
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Just Jeepin'
> Jb boin
10/27/2020 at 09:01 |
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I’m excessively sorry I asked.
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Jb boin
> Just Jeepin'
10/27/2020 at 09:06 |
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The Snowman
> Jb boin
10/27/2020 at 09:11 |
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https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/06/ti-daughter-deyjah-gynecologist-comments
hillrat
> facw
10/27/2020 at 09:34 |
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Here of course this would be a clear 4th amendment violation (though as Just Jeepin’ notes, we have some shitty court rulings regarding the applicability of the Constitution when it comes to CBP’s operations).
I wouldn’t count on that when you see how bassackwards every ruling on drug testing has gone since the War on Drugs started . Being compelled to give someone (5th amendment , forced to testify against yourself) your urine (4th amendment, what’s more unreasonable than allowing someone to inspect the contents of your body) to get a job or just because the court said so? These right wing assholes wipe their ass on the Constitution whenever it’s convenient for them.
There’s a bunch of exceptions and carve outs to *some* Constitutional rights but the 2nd amendment? That’s the one no one can do anything about? FOH. I hate the hypocrisy of this country so fucking much.
fintail
> Just Jeepin'
10/27/2020 at 11:00 |
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Note to self: avoid patronizing corrupt untouchable blood money theocracies.
Eric @ opposite-lock.com
> hillrat
10/27/2020 at 11:23 |
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That’s really quite an inaccurate mindset. The 2nd is severely restricted/eroded , far more than almost any other amendment. There is very heavy regulation of who can own, hoops to jump through to own, numerous ways they’re seized, ways to lose the right permanently, onerous paperwork & high taxes, restrictions on layout & features, magazine sizes, etc.
The problem, ultimately, is that we allow politicians to trample the constitution with impunity, creating laws that strip us of our guaranteed freedoms by a million cuts. The vast majority of laws are infringements on our rights because they’ve had very little to do for at least a hundred years.
The other problem is that people believe they can pick and choose which they restrict out of some belief or emotion that they have a moral high ground. If you let any, even ones that you dislike, get eroded, you’re just inviting others to do the same to the ones you think shouldn’t be. Keep that in mind when you point fingers.
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hillrat
> Eric @ opposite-lock.com
10/27/2020 at 11:43 |
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So your position is that the 2nd Amendment has been severely restricted/eroded? My only response to that is what I’ve seen with my own eyes and that was going with one of my buddies to buy a handgun at Wal-Mart in Northern Virginia in the early-90's. We were in and out of the store in less than 20 minutes, the only “restriction” was that he couldn’t buy the gun and the bullets at the same time. So he handed me his credit card and I bought the bullets. I don’t know how much faster you’re supposed to be able to buy a murder machine.
BigBlock440
> hillrat
10/27/2020 at 11:56 |
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Uh, you missed quite a bit from the early 90's....
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BigBlock440
> hillrat
10/27/2020 at 11:59 |
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what’s more unreasonable than al lowing someone to inspect the contents of your body) to get a job or just because the court said so?
You seem to be confusing a private corporation with the government. You even say in your comment, you’re allowing it. You have the freedom to say no, you can turn around and go home/about your life and nobody will stop you.
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hillrat
> BigBlock440
10/27/2020 at 14:45 |
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You seem to not understand that the government forces private corporations to conduct drug testing via policy and legislation.
You didn’t say anything about court mandated drug testing, is that OK with you?
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BigBlock440
> hillrat
11/02/2020 at 13:44 |
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Can you cite the policy or legislation that forces private corporations to do drug testing?
Court mandated? Sure, since there’s a reason you were in court to begin with. Whether or not the things they’re testing for should be legal is an entirely different discussion, but punishment for breaking the law is still a thing as long as there are laws to break.
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hillrat
> BigBlock440
11/02/2020 at 15:44 |
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Are you serious?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug-Free_Workplace_Act_of_1988
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BigBlock440
> hillrat
11/02/2020 at 17:07 |
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Federal contractors only, every other company voluntarily does it.