Why You Should Like The 2022 Hummer, No Matter What

"PatBateman" (PatBateman) 10/21/2020 at 18:13 • Filed to: Hummer, Electric Vehicles, Pollution, STOP READING MY TAGS

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I like the 2022 Hummer. I also like the Hummers of yesteryears, especially when slapped with aftermarket diesels and other goodies that improve its off-road prowess. A friend of mine likes those so much that he started a company that upgrades retired HMMWVs with all sorts of features and makes them ridiculous off-roading monsters while spewing diesel fumes all over the place. Most of you hate those because of the pollution. But many people also hate the new 2022 Hummer debuted last night because... Well, just because.

There are many, many reasons why everyone should instead love this electrified behemoth, actually, without any good excuses to do otherwise.

After a long, well-deserved hiatus, GM decided to resurrect the “Hummer” brand in a completely non-military derived way: use it for an EV answer to Ford’s Raptor and Ram’s forthcoming Hellcat TRX. Using three electric motors and a 200 kw battery pack, it produces 1,000 hp and a comparably equivalent 1,000 lb-ft of torque (the 11,500 lb-ft number is wheel torque, the 1,000 number is done after doing some !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! ). The “Edition 1" first model run has a 350 mile range, a fast charge system, and will cost over $112,000. That’s a lot of dough, but it is just a little more than the MSRP of a fully-loaded Ram TRX or a loaded Raptor with the inevitable dealership surcharge tacked on. Keep in mind, the 2022 Raptor is rumored to have a variant of the 5.2L V8 under the hood, and will most likely have a price bump that’s sure to reflect the power bump.

Just to clarify: the 2022 Hummer, when released, will be the cleanest, safest, and most nimble full sized truck ON THE PLANET. You read that correctly.

Cleanest : Not only is it an EV, but GM will be building it at their !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! complex in the Detroit area. The facility is set to run on 100% renewable energy by 2023, currently has a wildlife sanctuary, and will be installing solar panels in their parking area. This will make the Hummer one of the cleanest-built trucks in the world. It will also use !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! in its batteries than past GM EV vehicles, so if buyers are concerned about cobalt mining and having anything to do with the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! that causes, they shouldn’t be with this whip.

Safest : This rig comes with Cadillac’s !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! system, which enables HANDS-FREE autonomous driving on over 200,000 miles of roads in the US. To clarify, even Tesla’s system does not (isn’t supposed to) allow hands-free cruising. And considering that the vast majority of auto-pedestrian fatalities happen at non-intersections...

...this system makes it safer for pedestrians since the AI system isn’t going to be glancing at the radio instead of on the road. The safety of Super Cruise applies to going 70 mph on the highway, as well.

Most Nimble : Zero to sixty in 3 seconds flat, all wheel drive (GM calls it “e4WD”, but it’s AWD), four wheel steering, the ability to have a grand total of 15.9 inches of ground clearance (10.1" in “Normal” mode), and it’s about as wide as a Raptor with a shorter length. “Crab Walk” mode won’t be mentioned because it’s a weird gimmick. Name one other full-sized truck that can do that (spoiler alert: you can’t).

Even if you despise the looks, hate the size, and the color white makes you nauseous, you should love this truck for advancing green, electric technology to the future masses and making EV trucks less foreign and alien to the market. It has the best safety tech and performance of its peers, all the while introducing the pickup truck target market to their greener, cleaner, electrified futures. It’s the test bed for all electric Suburbans, Tahoes, Escalades, 1/2 ton GM trucks, and on and on until we have to worry more about finding a gas station than finding an available supercharger location. I like clean air. Do you like clean air? Yes? Then this is the future, and you should like what they’re doing.

The Negative Nancy faction of the auto enthusiast/journalism world have been screaming at auto manufacturers to do something about polluting, dangerous-to-pedestrians trucks and SUVs; here, they have the solution to all that they’ve hated, yet they still “bleh” about it. Newsflash: we in Texas don’t necessarily want to drive a car that will fit in a Brooklyn parking spot with room to spare. Many people in the “flyover states” and non-urban areas drive large trucks and SUVs, and there’s not a damn thing that a journalist !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! can say about the matter to change their minds . This vehicle is the compromise between the “everyone should drive a plant-based two seat EV because pollution is bad” and the “high end trucks are all I drive” demographics. Everyone got a little bit of what they wanted, and a little bit of what they didn’t want.

The new Hummer is meant for wealthy people who wanted to buy a Raptor or a TRX anyways. GM gave these folks a fantastic alternative that helps save the environment from cobalt mining, manufacturing, and auto emissions pollution. The least we all can do is stop screaming that the Hummer isn’t the size of a Tesla Model 3 or trying to body shame the buyers. This is how the Electric Revolution gains momentum, and we should encourage it instead of denigrating it.

Cash Rewards > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 18:20

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Counterpoint: remember that Prius lady who got in the face of that guy with a truck, all sanctimonious? Give her this thing. We're all gonna die, run off the road for our gas guzzling sins

For Sweden > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 18:21

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20 year old zoomer Tesla driver vs 30 year old boomer Hummer driver

PatBateman > Cash Rewards 10/21/2020 at 18:22

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It’s never too late to change our path towards a pollution-fueled destruction.  I’d love to roll this baby up to an EV car meet and see the reactions.  

Nauraushaun > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 18:22

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It’s sort of the Tesla approach eh? Make a premium vehicle at a high price - a price that has room for a fancy green production process and impressive specs. And will appeal to buyers who have money to spare, aren’t overly price conscious, and are willing to hop on the bandwagon of an expensive but innovative vehicle. And you can provide the sort of performance that shames anything else in the segment, which helps justify the price.

Rather than making a Leaf or Bolt, at a price-competitive end of the market that forces you to cut corners and end up with a product that’s both too expensive and lackluster.

PatBateman > For Sweden 10/21/2020 at 18:23

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30.  year.  old.  boomer?

PatBateman > Nauraushaun 10/21/2020 at 18:25

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GM tried going the cheap route for the masses. Despite making decent vehicles, it didn’t go well.

In my business, I am never the cheapest option.  I am, however, the best bang-for-your-buck, with the best features and options.  GM is trying the EV approach my way.  LOL

HammerheadFistpunch > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 18:25

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“ GM calls it “e4WD”, but it’s AWD”

Its all AWD to me and the SAE, but...”rugged” *eyeroll*

PatBateman > HammerheadFistpunch 10/21/2020 at 18:26

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I agree.  If they instead want to call it the Ultra Man Rock Crawling Mud Swimming Drive Feature, I think it would do the same thing.  But whatever.

Nauraushaun > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 18:29

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Yeah? Most of the people I know in mergers and acquisitions hate it.

I don’t have much faith in GM at the best of times. But surely making a pricier vehicle is easier :)

HammerheadFistpunch > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 18:31

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its one of my favorite pointless arguments like whats an SUV...what’s 4wd versus whats AWD.  Why is it that everyone has a different way to define them?  Because there isn’t a difference, just perceptions of use cases.  

For Sweden > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 18:36

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After you buy your first home, lawnmower, and boat, you are a boomer

nermal > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 18:38

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The average selling price of a 1500 pickup is in the $50k range. Give it ~5 years, and this drivetrain will be available with a regular-ass pickup body for much cheaper. People are willing to pay $12k for a diesel engine on a pickup , so it wouldn’t be unthinkable t o pay $15k - $20k for the EV bits.

It will be interesting to see when fleets start buying them up. There has to be an ROI at some point where the extra cost of the EV version is able to be justified with lower operating costs. They’ll have to neuter it first though, can’t give dumb city employees something that accelerates that fast. 

PatBateman > Nauraushaun 10/21/2020 at 18:45

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They hate what?

PatBateman > HammerheadFistpunch 10/21/2020 at 18:47

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I think the delineating factors for 4WD is that it has high and low gearing options.  Otherwise...  

PatBateman > For Sweden 10/21/2020 at 18:48

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I skipped the lawn mower, and sold my boat a few years ago.  HOORAY I’m a Gen Xer!!  

SiennaMan > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 18:48

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I don't know about you, but I suddenly feel much older than I did a few minutes ago..

HammerheadFistpunch > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 18:48

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Seei don't even count that. That's just 2 speed awd to me

PatBateman > nermal 10/21/2020 at 18:50

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Just like Tesla, they’ll start the manufacturing with the most expensive vehicle, figure out a way to streamline the process and reduce costs, further battery tech to lower prices, and BOOM I can have my GMC Denali 1500 as an EV.

SiennaMan > nermal 10/21/2020 at 18:50

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That’s where these electric trucks will really get going. Range anxiety and installing your own chargers isn’t a big deal for fleet operators if they can show a decrease operating costs over the life of the vehicle and can advertise that they’re doing their part for the environment. Win win.

Verdog ~ manual Bro, Bro - HellHawk Equipped > HammerheadFistpunch 10/21/2020 at 18:52

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To me AWD is full time all the time , 4WD can be manually shifted onto 4HI, N, 2 and 4LO

i86hotdogs > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 18:53

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It’s been beaten to death with every high priced EV debut, but I hope this opens up opportunity for entry leve l EV vehicles. If this gives them a chance to produce less expensive EVs with one or two of these awesome features, I am all for it. I’m picturing a $50k EV truck without the crabwalk or LED charging lights. 

HammerheadFistpunch > Verdog ~ manual Bro, Bro - HellHawk Equipped 10/21/2020 at 18:59

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Both my cars are full time all time and have low range plus most awd cars are only reactively on and when off they are 2wd.

That’s why I like the SAE list

Part-time nonsynchro

Part-time synchro

Full-time fixed torque

Full-time variable-torque passive

Full-time variable-torque active

On-demand synchro variable-torque passive

On-demand synchro variable-torque active

On-demand independently powered variable-torque active

All classified as awd

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > HammerheadFistpunch 10/21/2020 at 19:06

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full time vs part time

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 19:14

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“ and BOOM I can have my GMC Denali 1500 as an EV.”

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > HammerheadFistpunch 10/21/2020 at 19:15

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Well it’s more rugged than my Honda Fit!!!

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > For Sweden 10/21/2020 at 19:18

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“After you buy your first home, lawnmower, and boat, you are a boomer”

No you’re not.

You simply need to be born during the post-WW2 baby boom.

I personally am part of the generation that was called “the Baby Bust” and now called “Gen X”.

And after I bought my first home and lawnmower, I still was Gen X.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 19:20

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I see incorrect punctuation and the use of TWO exclamation marks.

Clearly you’re a Millennial now...

:-p

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > i86hotdogs 10/21/2020 at 19:20

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“It’s been beaten to death with every high priced EV debut,”

How did you type that if you’re dead???

i86hotdogs > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/21/2020 at 19:21

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dead inside*

For Sweden > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/21/2020 at 19:27

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Boomer is not an age, it is a lifestyle

Nauraushaun > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 19:32

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“I’m into, oh, murders and executions mostly. It depends.” I shrug.

“Do you like it?” she asks, unfazed.

“Um… It depends. Why?” I take a bit of sorbet.

“Well, most guys I know who work in mergers and acquisitions don’t really like it,” she says.

“That’s not what I said,” I say, adding a forced smiled, finishing my J&B. “Oh, forget it.”

I think I’ve made a pretty similar quip to this to you before lel

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > i86hotdogs 10/21/2020 at 19:34

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https://jalopnik.com/how-to-hack-an-electronic-road-sign-5141430

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 19:49

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Yea but its ugly.

And im sure rang isnt 350 mile when whipping thru the desert or climbing or towing

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > For Sweden 10/21/2020 at 19:50

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“Boomer is not an age, it is a lifestyle”

Nope... being a boomer is an age range.

The term Boomer refers to demographics, not lifestyle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomers

“ Baby boomers are the demographic cohort following the Silent Generation and preceding Generation X .”

hike > Nauraushaun 10/21/2020 at 19:51

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They went with making something people can get excited about rather than a bland looking hatchback. Tesla has been doing that for a decade now, it's just taking old school automakers until now to catch up.

nermal > SiennaMan 10/21/2020 at 20:01

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The bigger the fleet, the smaller the cost savings needs to be . Just looking at UPS, they have 125k total vehicles in their fleet . If they save merely $10 per vehicle, that’s $ 1.25 Million in extra juicy profits .

The savings do n’t even need to come from operating costs, they can come from ancillary things. Say it takes 10 minutes to fill a truck with fuel every day but only 1 minute to un-plug a charger in the morning and another 1 minute to   plug it back in at the end of the shift. S aving 8 minutes per day across 125k vehicles equals 1 Million minutes of extra productivity per day. That’s equivalent to over 2k employees working an 8 hr shift. 

nermal > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 20:06

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In theory you will be able to buy a GMC Denali 1500 EV, although in practice when you go to the dealer to attempt to buy one they won’t have any for sale (despite having them listed on the website) and w ill try to sell you a regular gas powered one because that’s what’s on the lot . You’ll either end up buying the gas powered one with $10k in rebates and a 96 month loan and 3 different extended warranties, or getting mad at the entire process and ordering a Tesla anyways.

Nauraushaun > hike 10/21/2020 at 20:12

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Definitely

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 21:17

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Here’s the thing. GM is virtually nonexistent outside the Americas and China. So why should I like something that is not only irrelevant to the market I’m in but also unavailable to boot? The new Hummer is not about making EVs popular or even relevant...it’s about making them profitable for GM in a market that is both highly resistant to EVs and extremely price sensitive (aka cheap).

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 21:38

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I like it, but I’d rather have a Cyber Truck. Similar design, but more utilitarian...

PatBateman > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 10/21/2020 at 22:04

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Range should be fine.  I’m not too awfully concerned about it being a hinderance.  Most likely, that range will go up with software updates.

PatBateman > nermal 10/21/2020 at 22:06

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They’ll try to do that, but they’ll learn pretty quickly that I don’t fuck around with that shit.  Also, I don’t go to any dealership that I don’t personally know either the salesperson or the owner.

PatBateman > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 10/21/2020 at 22:13

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Of course this vehicle is meant to make money. It’s also about introducing an already popular vehicle system (EV) to a segment of vehicles that hasn’t utilized the system yet. Tesla didn’t start with a cheap ass vehicle; it started with the Roadster and then worked its way down market.

As EV trucks become more relevant in the US (and China), they will cause all companies to introduce the tech in their own vehicles. And unless you’re coming to us live from North Korea (or Cuba), that tech ends up in vehicles you’ll be able to purchase.

PatBateman > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 10/21/2020 at 22:14

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Me too.  I’m trying desperately to hold out for a tri-motor Cybertruck.  Don’t know if I can make it, though (those new F-150s look mighty nice).

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 22:28

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Give it a few winters in MI and range will fall quickly. And for 100k i can get a King Ranch that can tow 25k lbs and a great trailer. 

PatBateman > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 10/21/2020 at 22:41

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I’m from Texas. I would not own an electric vehicle if I lived north of Dallas for that reason.

But I’m in Houston, so range down here should be fine.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > PatBateman 10/21/2020 at 22:43

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Oh sure the top down development economics makes excellent sense financially from a company perspective...but I’m not in that target market.

And I’m unlikely to ever be in the market for a full size truck unless it is a cab over Hino, Fuso or Isuzu...and EV tech for these is well underway already. I believe the first of them will hit our market late this year or early next year and for substantially less than the equivalent of US$100,000

The Hummer EV is about GM and GM alone - it’s just a capacity enabling tool for the company (just as the Tesla cars were/are a way for Tesla to finance and scale up the production of their highly profitable batteries) . There’s very little new and different about it and its technology other than its particular perspective to its target market.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 10/21/2020 at 23:06

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heh. sure, elon

DipodomysDeserti > For Sweden 10/22/2020 at 02:48

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Fighting someone on the internet  about the definition of a Boomer is pretty Boomer. You really snagged one here!

pip bip - choose Corrour > PatBateman 10/22/2020 at 02:48

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no RHD though

:/

PatBateman > pip bip - choose Corrour 10/22/2020 at 08:46

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Found the vehicle’s Achille s’ Heel.

pip bip - choose Corrour > PatBateman 10/22/2020 at 08:56

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well for us anyway.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/22/2020 at 09:26

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Baby Bust? Never heard that.

I’m a late Xer (Oregon Trail Generation).

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 10/22/2020 at 09:28

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I think the term baby bust fell out of use in the 1980s and the “gen x” term was more widely adopted 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/22/2020 at 09:30

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You’re right, of course - he’s just having fun.

The Boomer generation completely skipped my family. My dad & mom are of the Silent Generation, and my oldest brother is one of the first Xers.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/22/2020 at 09:47

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Like few use Gen Y much anymore, and Gen Z & Gen Alpha will eventually have better names. Zoomers is pretty good! I don’t like the idea of give a corporation the name of a generation, but damn, it fits.

We’ve got two Zoomers and one Alpha, look like.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/22/2020 at 10:02

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Children of the Great Depression - my dad was born in ‘37.

https://www.prb.org/luckyfew/

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > PatBateman 10/22/2020 at 13:40

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I’d like a tri-motor as well... Not sure why they’re releasing the ones without it first, aside from just trying to get something available on the market.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > For Sweden 10/22/2020 at 15:10

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Have never owned a lawnmower or boat, but I own a home. What the hell am I, aside from broke?

For Sweden > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 10/22/2020 at 15:12

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A xoomer

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > For Sweden 10/22/2020 at 19:05

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Definitely not a Xoomer. That’s like 2 decades older than I am.