Ford 6.0 Lawsuit

"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner)
10/16/2020 at 11:14 • Filed to: ford, diesel, powerstroke

Ford had a class-action settlement a few years ago on the 6.0 diesel. Apparently one guy opted out and was successful.

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First verdict that was upheld on appeal apparently.

DISCUSSION (25)

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Future next gen S2000 owner
10/16/2020 at 11:22

All six leakers were factory defective, nothing special here

For Sweden > Future next gen S2000 owner
10/16/2020 at 11:29

You can sue manufacturers for bad cars?

Future next gen S2000 owner > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker
10/16/2020 at 11:33

Weirdly enough I’ve read about some kits for bullet-proofing them. I wonder how valid the changes are in those kits.

RallyWrench > For Sweden
10/16/2020 at 11:35

Hoo boy, have I got some case notes.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden
10/16/2020 at 11:35

Kinja'd!!!

For Sweden > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
10/16/2020 at 11:37

Does banning Tesla count?

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > For Sweden
10/16/2020 at 11:38

Very much yes. It's usually cost prohibitive though. Little guy against corporate lawyers and all that.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden
10/16/2020 at 11:39

Bans Tesla, embraces space X. I love the hypocrisy .

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Future next gen S2000 owner
10/16/2020 at 11:40

I’ve heard very good things about them. Essentially, it upgrades or replaces a bunch of poorly designed stuff- EGR and oil coolers, head studs instead of TTY bolts, better HG material, better fuel control module. Usually people add an uprated turbo as well.

For Sweden > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
10/16/2020 at 11:45

Texas loves NASA money.

NASA money corrupts everyone.

wafflesnfalafel > For Sweden
10/16/2020 at 11:45

only in California

Cash Rewards > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
10/16/2020 at 11:58

Wow, that's some bumper sticker

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Cash Rewards
10/16/2020 at 12:02

My dad has this sticker on his pick-up. It might be the only bumper sticker he has ever bought.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Future next gen S2000 owner
10/16/2020 at 12:32

I mean they rushed development to get it out. And they really arent that bad if you take care of them. And that most owners came from 7.3s that you can literally abuse and they dont care.

Still crazy that he won tho

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Future next gen S2000 owner
10/16/2020 at 12:34

Very good if done right. The two biggest issues are EGR and oil cooler. Factory head bolts are fine if you dont throw big HP race tunes on them

onlytwowheels > Future next gen S2000 owner
10/16/2020 at 12:34

Ford made a huge mistake by partnering with Navistar to provide these engines. I guess they had such praise for the 7.3L that they figured the 6.0L would be a modern equivalent. The engine was so bad, that Ford and Navistar got into a dispute over costs for warranty repairs. Ford was not willing to pay Navistar’s price on engines due to the high warranty claims, which resulted in Navistar refusing to sell them engines. Ford eventually caved, but also began development of it’s own diesel for the Super Duty line of trucks.

The Navistar MaxxForce 7 is also an abomination that has resulted in numerous lawsuits.

Future next gen S2000 owner > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
10/16/2020 at 12:39

I think it helps that there was a settlement on the class action lawsuit preceeding his suit.

According to the article the money each person got from the class action suit was insulting. Low end 50 bucks to 850 on the high end. That doesn’t cover squat when you consider time in the shop, parts, and labor.

This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: > Future next gen S2000 owner
10/16/2020 at 12:59

Was that the one with the complimentary exhaust flame thrower option?

dieseldub > Future next gen S2000 owner
10/16/2020 at 13:24

“What do you mean I have to remove the whole cab from the frame to work on the engine?!”

And people say the Germans are bad!!?

What’s funny is, I rather like the 6 leaker... once you bulletproof it. Head studs, upgraded coolers and the like, then keep good oil in it and use fuel additives. Bear in mind that these have a high pressure oil system that operates the injectors, so keeping oil at the correct viscosity and properly clean is paramount to keeping these engines running correctly. Hence why “stiction eliminator” is an oil additive, not a fuel additive... aimed specifically at diesels with HEUI injectors like the 6.0.

The later 6.4 was worse, though that may also have been more on account of very early development new generation emissions equipment.

Ford did themselves a big service by dumping Navistar and making their own diesel—and they’re the only ones of the domestic 3 automakers that have done so. Let’s see... GM’s V8 Duramaxes? Mostly Isuzu. GM’s 2.8 Duramax? Reworked VM Motori unit (a modern evolution of the 2.8 found in the mid 2000s Jeep Liberty CRD, actually). The 3.0 might have had some Isuzu help, but I’m not sure. It might genuinely be a GM product.

FCA? The HD trucks obviously get Cummins 6 cylinders. The Ecodiesels are all VM Motori. The previous CRD Grand Cherokees were Mercedes units (same goes for the old Sprinter vans... obviously... whole van is a rebranded Mercedes).

But wait... what’s this?? VW/Scania has an interest in taking over Navistar??! Man, what a combination of fail waiting to happen there!

Also, if no one’s noticed, you’ll see a lot of modern Freightliner trucks that say “Powered by Mercedes-Benz” on them now... So, that’s a thing.

Some days it’s pretty wild keeping track of who actually makes what.

Longtime Lurker > This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja:
10/16/2020 at 14:53

No that was the newer 6.4

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > dieseldub
10/16/2020 at 14:55

GM and Isuzu stopped being involved together on the Duramax pretty shortly after they began. The past few have been fully GM.

ShrimpHappens, née WJalopy > Future next gen S2000 owner
10/16/2020 at 14:56

Ford deciding that facing the litigation of a known issue is cheaper than actually fixing the issue? I’m shocked! SHOCKED!

ShrimpHappens, née WJalopy > Future next gen S2000 owner
10/16/2020 at 15:03

There’s a John Grisham book about class-action lawsuits and how they benefit the corporations and the attorneys but not the consumers who actually dealt with the crap, and this case is a good example of that.

It entitled F-250 and F-350 owners to claim between $50 and $825 in reimbursement for post-warranty repairs.

Can you imagine buying a brand new Super Duty, experiencing these problems, and your compensation is $50? Fifty dollars! And that’s probably only if you could directly prove your distress with receipts.

This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: > Longtime Lurker
10/16/2020 at 15:20

Built Ford. Tough.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > dieseldub
10/16/2020 at 22:18

I do like my bulitproofed 6.0

Funny enough my diesel mechanic loves the 6.4s after deleting them of course, and he has multiple high hp cummins trucks. 6.4s are actually very very stout in terms of what they can take power wise