Seriously?

"gettingoldercarguy" (gettingoldercarguy) 08/07/2019 at 15:35 • Filed to: None

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These idiots don’t rotate tires, don’t discuss how heavy they were with the throttle , don’t understand how stupid tread wear ratings are and fail to disclose that Honda UP FRONT warns people about the tire wear potential when you purchase the car.

gettingoldercarguy > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 15:41

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In case of kinja link

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28610947/honda-civic-type-r-tire-wear/

For Sweden > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 15:42

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Fun fact: the first generation S80's owner’s manual recommends not rotating tires.

MonkeePuzzle > For Sweden 08/07/2019 at 15:45

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volvo tyres are meant to be as square as the wagon they’re on

gettingoldercarguy > For Sweden 08/07/2019 at 15:46

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I’m not sure what to do with this or what it has to do with the Civic type r

Goggles Pizzano > For Sweden 08/07/2019 at 15:47

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I’m shocked this isn’t baloney.

TorqueToYield > For Sweden 08/07/2019 at 15:49

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If they’re directional tires with different size front and rear you can’t rotate.

Y2K996Cab > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 15:50

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My 2000 911 used to average 15,000 miles on the front tires and 6,000 miles on the rears when using Bridgestone S02's. It only got better when I switched to Pirelli P-Zero Rosso Asymetricos (sp?)  

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 15:50

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That not all cars are meant to have the  tires rotated.

For Sweden > Goggles Pizzano 08/07/2019 at 15:50

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“Rotate tires at owner request” a.k.a. you can do it if the owner complains that you didn’t do it.

gettingoldercarguy > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/07/2019 at 15:56

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If they’re different sizes, sure. I’ve never heard of a manufacturer recommending to not rotate front to rear same sizes. It’s better for all stability and traction control systems if  the tires are close together in diameter.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Y2K996Cab 08/07/2019 at 15:57

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Wow. 

gettingoldercarguy > For Sweden 08/07/2019 at 15:59

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That’s not quite recommending to not do it.

gettingoldercarguy > TorqueToYield 08/07/2019 at 16:01

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Yep, exactly!

WilliamsSW > For Sweden 08/07/2019 at 16:02

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It’s not recommended on my 2000 E46 either.

BMW seems to think that rotation can accelerate tire wear.   

For Sweden > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 16:04

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I am anit-anti-tire rotation

Gerry197 > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 16:05

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Its like my buddy who wanted to get a R6 motorcycle to save on gas. I warned him, it’s actually more expensive to run than most cars when you factor in tires, chains/sprockets, service and especially depreciation based on mileage.

Spending $350 on tires every 3,000 - 5,000 miles adds up, so does $300 sprockets & chains every 10,000 miles and $400 major service every 15,000 miles.

Plus, you put 30,000 miles on a bike, its like putting 100,000 miles on a car in regards to depreciation.

You need to do your due diligence before leaping in.

gettingoldercarguy > WilliamsSW 08/07/2019 at 16:06

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If the tires are asymmetric or different sizes etc. y ou shouldn’t, but I don’t see how it'll accelerate wear.  They may be concerned with techs not using a torque wrench causing other problems with the car from over torqued and stretched studs/bolts.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 16:09

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Fun fact:  Subaru recommends rotating tires at every oil change over or every 1,000 miles.

sony1492 > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 16:10

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If their riding on a tire that nets 1G out of a 245 section width, what do they expect? Especially since they spend a decent amount of time wearing into the limits of that grip.

WilliamsSW > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 16:24

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I might have the reasons mixed up (a brief google search suggests that BMW says it can “impair driving characteristics”), and I don’t have my owners manual handy.

And my car came with symmetrical tires, same size at all 4 corners.

Personally I think it’s bullshit, and every BMW dealer on earth will happily charge you for a rotation, but it really is their recommendation (or it was 20 years ago).

t0ast > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 16:25

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How would you react to a worn tire after 9000 miles?

Sounds like someone hasn’t heard about our lord and savior , RE-71R.

atfsgeoff > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 16:27

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9,000 miles is pretty good wear for a motorcycle tire

Alfalfa > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 16:28

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More or less what I expect from Car and Driver these days 

gettingoldercarguy > WilliamsSW 08/07/2019 at 16:28

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Yeah, I don’t understand unless they program into the traction control to account for a heavier wearing rear tire. But if that tir e gets replaced halfway through the front tires’ life then the rear will have a larger diameter. I dunno man.

gettingoldercarguy > atfsgeoff 08/07/2019 at 16:31

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Tripper > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 16:33

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Agree. I murdered a rear set of pilot super sports in just under 10k miles on an E90M3 because S65. Tires and brakes are all about how you drive/maintain.

WiscoProud > sony1492 08/07/2019 at 16:49

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They said that aside from the initial test, the rest of the miles were on the street. Sure you can abuse tires on the street as well, but its less likely than track time. 

gettingoldercarguy > WiscoProud 08/07/2019 at 16:56

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A good two day track weekend would've torched those tires in under 1k miles.

Under_Score > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 17:08

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Car and Driver is gonna buy a 2020 4Runner and the touchscreen and the transmission will die in the first 1,500 miles, I swear.

sony1492 > WiscoProud 08/07/2019 at 17:29

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I went through a set of nearly brand new pilot sports in under 8000 miles on the street, so a lower treadwear, stickier tire on a car that weighs more should blow through tires on  canyon drives

WilliamsSW > gettingoldercarguy 08/07/2019 at 20:21

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Back then, most BMWs didn’t have enough power to give you a big difference in tire wear, so it wasn’t that big a deal anyways.

Certainly the 168 HP in my car has kept tire wear relatively even. However, when it was a DD, I swapped winter tires on from December - March, and sure as hell never marked them to put them back where they came from in the spring.