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"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 05/23/2019 at 12:50 • Filed to: None

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So there are 23 Democrats vy ing for the chance to run against President Trump in 2020. This strikes me as patently ridiculous. But how much of the winnowing process will be controlled entirely by the media? Probably always been, probably will always be, 100% . But still...

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 12:51

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I think the more important question is how much of the winnowing process will be controlled by the DNC. Remember, it was the DNC that forced Hillary down our throats. And we all know how that worked out....

Nibby > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 12:54

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VOTE SCOOB/NIBBY 2020

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 12:55

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Honestly, it doesn’t matter in the end.  In 5 years we will all be living in the world of Fallout

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 12:57

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Things should settle the fuck down after the primaries. This is exactly what they are for.

Of course, I’ve been wrong before. But only because I believed that people could actually think for themselves, and I no longer make that assumption. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 05/23/2019 at 12:57

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It’s important that Democrats understand that. DNC -- and the Democratic Party -- are viewed as deeply corrupt and the Hillary debacle set that perception in concrete.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Nibby 05/23/2019 at 12:57

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I think ImmoralMinority should be offered a turn in the barrel.

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 12:58

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If they don’t support free trade they must be cancelled.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 12:59

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Ironically, the two things I discuss in person but not in writing is math and religion. Primarily because the only thing that makes people madder than when I talk about religion is when I talk about math.

I like to look them in the eye while I see the hope die in their eyes.

Don’t take that the wrong way, I don’t share my position unless directly asked to do so, so I’m not on some kind of crusade. I’m also not an atheist, I just look like one on TV. 

jimz > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 05/23/2019 at 12:59

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But only because I believed that people could actually think for themselves, and I no longer make that assumption.

careful, IME when people say “think for themselves” they usually mean “agree with me.”

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 05/23/2019 at 13:00

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My thing is, we can disagree about something strongly, we can want and like  different things, but can we at least be intellectually honest?

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > jimz 05/23/2019 at 13:01

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It means defend their point with sources that are legitimately citable . It means follow logical rigor. It means fucking stick to the goddamn point without logical fallacies! It means checking and validating not just what you read and consume but what you say and how you express it.

It means fucking being analytical and KNOWING WHAT THAT MEANS. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 05/23/2019 at 13:02

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I would like to interview you at length about this reply. Can we coffee? (I just made a verb...)

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 13:02

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Almost all of the winnowing process is handled by DNC party elites. Do you not r emember the last cycle when we were reminded that they’re the least democratic of the major parties? There’s nothing democratic about them at all, they’re totalitarians at their core.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 13:02

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Intellectual honesty is the one true bankruptcy that pervades America.

No, history doesn’t support that it was any better in the past. 

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 13:03

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That won’t change the outcome. Nobody has even tried to change the rules that give them all the power.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 13:04

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I mean, I’m always up for debates even though I forget where my factual sources are all the time. How do we coffee, though? I think we live quite far apart, and I’m hesitant to share my face online.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 05/23/2019 at 13:06

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I’d never thought about it this way before, but I’ve had it pointed out to me recently that in California, under our Open Primary system, we can have general elections with two Democrats running against each other. Somehow, that just doesn’t seem right.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 05/23/2019 at 13:07

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But to your question, yes, I do remember.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 13:07

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Can’t wait to see the next center-right entrant with no plans to even think of addressing what ails us.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 05/23/2019 at 13:08

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You are a step ahead of me. Your thing will never happen until people wrap their heads around my thing.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 05/23/2019 at 13:09

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I don’t want to put you on the spot. I’m in the San Francisco Bay Area.

Nibby > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 13:10

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that’s up to him

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 13:11

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Well holy hand grenade, I’m only up there 3-4 times a year for work purposes, downtown SF. I could easily Uber or (yuck) BART closer to a meeting place of your choosing the next time that happens.

It would probably have to be in the evening, though. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 05/23/2019 at 13:12

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The media are portraying Biden as a guy pining for a shot at a Washington that no longer exists.

For Sweden > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 05/23/2019 at 13:12

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It should, but it might settle down in bad ways. Picture a debate Bernie Sanders chastising Donald Trump for not passing higher tariffs .

dogisbadob > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 13:14

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I agree, there are way too many people running! And most of them are too old, tool polarizing, have too much baggage, and/or duplicate other candidates.

And more people keep jumping in! I wish I could say to them, NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Fucking clueless pieces of shit entering a race that’s already too crowded!

They need to narrow it down to Andrew Yang, Kamala Harris, and John Delaney. Yang is the progressive; Harris is the minority candidate; and Delaney is the moderate, and also the first one to enter the race.

Booker duplicates Harris and is not as good, anyway.

Bernie is too old and has run his course. Warren/Focahontas also has too much baggage and duplicates Sanders.

Biden is too old and has too much baggage. Biden Rule,Anita Hill, and more!

Beto has assault and DUI arrests, and he’s a furry.

Buttgig? Really? Trump will make fun of him to no end! He really should’ve taken his husband’s last name, instead of the other way around. His husband’s maiden name is Glezman. Pete Glezman is more electable than Pete Buttgig.

On the republican side, I hope Bill Weld can do well. He is awesome! I really hope the 2020 general ends up being Weld against Delaney

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 05/23/2019 at 13:15

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It could be whatever, whenever . Do you want to throw me an email?

oliphant.chuckerbutty@gmail.com

Can definitely respect a boundary between there and here.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > dogisbadob 05/23/2019 at 13:20

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I would suggest adding Pete as the gay candidate, since we’re identity- labeling people. Pete could also be Biden’s VP. I think that the Dems risk trotting out someone too progressive. I think the Lefties will vote D no matter who it is because not Trump. So the nominee doesn’t have to be uber progressive.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > For Sweden 05/23/2019 at 13:20

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Yeah totes, AMERICA

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 13:21

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Sending a test email. Code word will be (speaking of math) the answer to the question in your other post (which I just realized I wound up commenting here on? weird.) 

dogisbadob > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 13:22

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I agree the risk of someone too progressive is sometihng they can’t afford right now! And that goes double for a VP running mate! Both Hillary and Trump chose safe choices (Pence and Kaine), and I don’t think a gay candidate qualifies as a safe choice.

Delaney is by far the most-electable against Trump!

Future next gen S2000 owner > dogisbadob 05/23/2019 at 13:24

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Nothing wrong with being a furry........just sayin.

punkgoose17 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 13:27

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The system is broken. We need more than 1 round of primaries and the voting needs to be done on the same day in every state. I never get a choice in Pennsylvania even though it is a swing state in the general election.

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 13:35

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“Lefties will vote D no matter who it is because not Trump. So the nominee doesn’t have to be uber progressive”

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > dogisbadob 05/23/2019 at 14:04

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I’m not sure I agree about Pete not being a safe VP choice; someone more traditional like Biden could check several identity boxes with a guy like Pete. Still, not safe with whom?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > punkgoose17 05/23/2019 at 14:06

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And Republicans in California feel disenfranchised as well, both on the state and the national level.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 05/23/2019 at 14:08

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I’m not sure what the eyeroll is about here, but I can’t imagine Progressives staying in bed on Election Day when they can vote against Donald Trump. I could be wrong about that, but that’s my guess.

Your boy, BJR > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/23/2019 at 14:09

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You mean besides the crusty mascot uniforms and implied crimes against nature?

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 14:20

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I see him as the establishment, but demographics might finally be moving away from the establishment. Maybe. So many b oomers also pretended to be against the establishment, and many  ended up embracing the establishment like nobody else.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 05/23/2019 at 14:49

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People don’t put much thought into it. They park in front of their televisions and drink up whatever is presented to them. Trump gets that and he’s a master.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 15:09

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Indeed, he knows how to pander to his audience, and they eat it up with reckless abandon.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 15:13

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I think Americans and people on this page are delusional I that there is no legal basis for a primary. It is a party construct to have an American Idol runoff to build momentum.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 05/23/2019 at 15:28

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“American Idol-style runoff to build momentum...” I like it!

Monkey B > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 16:37

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with just enough of the type of people that voted for Trump. Dems can’t afford to risk it with this one. It’s sad, even after seeing how he is in office,   I still think there are enough ignorant people in this country to re-elect him...I hate that.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Monkey B 05/23/2019 at 17:15

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There are smart people inclined to vote for him as well.

Monkey B > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 17:19

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all the more confusing...

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 19:48

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I find it equal parts funny and horrifying how little people understand of the process. The DNC is a private organization , the RNC is a private organization , as such they can do as they please. It wasn’t really till the last 35 years that primaries expanded nation wide. It was always state officers the picked the delegates. 

https://www.denverpost.com/2015/08/25/colorado-republicans-cancel-presidential-vote-at-2016-caucus/

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 19:54

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I know 3 delusional folks that are already proclaiming, B ernie or noone. i can absolute l y believe they would stay home.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > ttyymmnn 05/23/2019 at 19:58

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/356650-sanders-to-run-as-an-independent-in-2018

Ah, the guy who such a party insider he still runs as an independent.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/700121429/bernie-sanders-files-to-run-as-a-democrat-and-an-independent

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 05/23/2019 at 20:14

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That’s an interesting point; I did not know that. Thank you for enlightening me.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 05/23/2019 at 20:15

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I think conservatives wear out the word delusional about as severely as Liberals wear out the word bigot .

They won’t stay at home because they hate Donald Trump too much.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 20:23

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i use delusional, because according to 2 of them Trump, Biden, and  Harris are all one in the same, and are looking for some mythical purity candidate that doesn’t exist. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 05/23/2019 at 20:30

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I don’t doubt any of that. It’s just that word gets overused and is greatly weakened as a result. People aren’t willing to put any thought into anything; they just believe whatever they think, probably everything they think, and they belly up to the trough of cable blather so they don’t have to think about what they think. What about you? Are you happy with the president and would like to see him reelected? (You don’t have to answer that here if you don’t want to. I’m just curious. Personally, I can’t stand the guy, but I am trying not to be irrational about it.)

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/23/2019 at 21:52

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It is true it gets overused. If you want your policies enacted the first thing you need is to get elected. and to do so the best bet is to have a candidate with the gretest appeal to the greatest number of people. David Frum had a bit on how the trump team looked at 2012 and thought getting only 48% of the vote is only a problem if the opposite side is united. I do not want trump reelected and I fear a sizeable progressive wing sitting at home ro voting for jill stein 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 05/23/2019 at 23:27

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I wasn’t trying to social justice warrior on you with that word choice thing. I just hate it when liberals call everyone a bigot and I also hate hearing “Liberals are delusional,” which isn’t exactly what you said, but I’m really weary of how uncivil the political situation in our country has become.

I thought it was hilarious how Nancy Pelosi got Trump’s goat in the last 24 hours. But she needs to be careful: wrestle with a pig and you’ll both get muddy, but the pig will enjoy it.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/24/2019 at 23:01

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i didn’t take it that way. I disagree with most of reagans policies, but his quote “No, if I can get 70 or 80 percent of what it is I’m trying to get, yes I’ll take that and then continue to try to get the rest in the future.” really is effective.  

I think what the democrats need to do is change the game. Mcconnell has shown he’s 100% in the bag, so any impeachmet will die in the senate . No matter what he’ll cry hes the vic tim