NTSB animation on 2017 Teterboro, NJ plane crash

"Dusty Ventures" (dustyventures)
03/13/2019 at 13:51 • Filed to: None

In May 2017 a private jet crashed in a parking lot on approach to Teterboro Airport. Yesterday the NTSB released an animation of the flight leading up to the crash, including ground communications and cockpit recordings. I think the most delicate way of putting it is “mistakes were made.”

DISCUSSION (23)

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Dusty Ventures
03/13/2019 at 13:57

Wow, what a mon umental f-up on the flight crews part.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Dusty Ventures
03/13/2019 at 14:03

The pilot took over 15 seconds before impact?

The phrase too little too late comes to mind.

CB > Dusty Ventures
03/13/2019 at 14:04

Huh, that was fascinating to watch. And a little alarming about the captain.

someassemblyrequired > Dusty Ventures
03/13/2019 at 14:08

Jeez, if you have %#$$ed up that many times in that short a period, it’s time to maybe go around, collect your thoughts and try again in a few minutes.

gettingoldercarguy > Dusty Ventures
03/13/2019 at 14:16

I wanted to say I hope I never fly with that guy, but the problem took care of itself.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
03/13/2019 at 14:18

tbh..sounded like the pilot didnt know his arse from his elbow....

definitely didnt have any fucks to give

WilliamsSW > Dusty Ventures
03/13/2019 at 14:19

My god, that was bad. It’s easy to say that the SIC had no business flying that airplane - but the captain had no business flying that airplane, either.

lone_liberal > WilliamsSW
03/13/2019 at 14:40

And the SIC knew he had no business flying the plane but the pilot refused to take control from him. I wonder what in the hell was going on with that pilot.

Ash78, voting early and often > Dusty Ventures
03/13/2019 at 14:48

“(fitch)hundred feet” is like a transcription from someone who’s never talked to a New Yorker...some people talk like their mouths are moving faster then their thoughts. Sort of the opposite of The South.

Joking aside, that gave me chills. They screwed up so hard, but especially their attempted recovery. That was way, way too tight and low, I just don’t get why they didn’t request a go-around into a left-hand pattern or something like that. You’re not landing a Cessna at 50kts, you’re landing a jet at 120+.

Second, how the hell can you fly that corridor and not be able to recognize Teterboro vs Newark?

Ultimately there were a ton of errors, but IMHO those were the two biggest. Well those, plus the captain totally phoning in the whole flight. That’s a pretty big one.

Ash78, voting early and often > gettingoldercarguy
03/13/2019 at 14:50

Morbid, but accurate +1

WilliamsSW > lone_liberal
03/13/2019 at 15:00

Distracted, tired, complacent, trying to give the SIC some ‘tough love’ -- we will never know.

Ash78, voting early and often > WilliamsSW
03/13/2019 at 15:09

“Here’s some good practice, how about a 25-minute flight where we go to 27k feet and down in one of the most crowded airspaces in the country in a 30-year-old jet! ”

S peaking of crowded, this basically the BHM- A TL flight on Delta. Or any other midsize city in the southern US when flying Delta. Going from Savannah to Chattanooga? How about we do two 30-minute flights?!

WilliamsSW > Ash78, voting early and often
03/13/2019 at 15:20

He clearly had no effing clue how far apart Philly and Teterboro are - once airborne he was whining about the low assigned altitude because they were ‘hundreds of miles away’.

And there’s no way in hell I would fly Delta between Southeast city pairs unless one of the cities was Atlanta. That’s what cars are for.

Ash78, voting early and often > WilliamsSW
03/13/2019 at 15:21

Exactly. The best part is being forced to go to Atlanta on the way home from somewhere else and you’re like “no biggie, at least it’s just a 45-minute layover”

Then you have to take an underground train for 30 minutes to get to your terminal only to learn it’s now a 4-hour layover and you could drive home in 2.

WilliamsSW > Ash78, voting early and often
03/13/2019 at 15:42

That reminds me - - 20-25 years ago, I worked with a sales guy that was based in Birmingham (Hoover, actually). His territory was in the Southeast - regular travel to Roanoke, Huntington, WV, Chattanooga, Knoxville, St. Augustine etc.

And he flew Delta *everywhere* - he was super duper Medallion or whatever in about 1995 (he was well over a million miles) . Would only stay in Holiday Inns, too. Basically just doing whatever it took to get his points.

That dude spent a lot of time in Atlanta...

Ash78, voting early and often > WilliamsSW
03/13/2019 at 15:56

Yup, back then you couldn’t get all the SWA direct service from BHM yet (BWI, MDW, MCO, etc). Even so, a lot of those smaller markets you listed would actually be worth stopping in Atlanta because otherwise you’d never get service.

I’m also in Hoover. Our closest airport is Bessemer ( KEKY ) which is a nice 6,000' runway on a plateau with no real obstructions. Mostly general aviation, but some military and corporate — for example, Mercedes’ small fleet of Gulfstreams is there. They can leave the factory in rural AL and be in Germany in 7 hours nonstop. Yesterday I watched some KC-135s shooting touch & go right over my head at about 1,500 AGL. Pretty awesome.

WilliamsSW > Ash78, voting early and often
03/13/2019 at 16:02

Nice! The company I worked for at the time had a plant in Bessemer, although I think it closed a couple of years ago.

I still recall visiting the plant, and we took an afternoon off to go visit his lake house down in Clanton - on Mitchell Lake, I think? Nice place, and a good guy, but he passed away a long time ago.

Ash78, voting early and often > WilliamsSW
03/13/2019 at 16:07

Yeah, Bessemer is pretty run down these days, even the light industrial stuff. But now that land has gotten cheap, distribution centers are popping up and taking their places.

Seems like half the people I know have lake property of some kind. It’s not cheap, but it is plentiful — allegedly the most lakefront per capita of any state in the US.

(I think Michigan would take issue with that claim )

WilliamsSW > Ash78, voting early and often
03/13/2019 at 16:21

I’m sure it was cheap when he bought it - in the 70s or 80's, probably . He had a good job, but wasn’t rich by any stretch.

Bessemer was doing fine when I was there, but that was a looooong time ago.

ttyymmnn > Dusty Ventures
03/13/2019 at 16:52

Kinja'd!!!

Here we see the LearJet 35 in the classic “Lawn Dart” position.

What a complete clusterfuck. Neither one of those guys had any business being in the air, and the SIC should have simply refused to fly. CRM anybody?

For Sweden > Dusty Ventures
03/13/2019 at 17:25

Good to see the NTSB animation style guide has not changed.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > lone_liberal
03/14/2019 at 11:50

Drunk?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW
03/15/2019 at 09:33

Aviation does not suffer fools gladly.