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"CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever" (carsoffortlangley) 02/27/2019 at 08:47 • Filed to: None

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India and Pakistan seem to be having a little bit of a...disagreement? No real comment on the conflict, but I do always have a morbid kid of curiosity when two state actors fight with modern(ish) hardware.  It isn’t something we see too often.  

facw > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 02/27/2019 at 08:57

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Yeah, this does not seem great. When I went to bed Pakistan was said to have shot down two Indian fighters (not clear what, a lot of the pictures posted were of old crashes), while India was said to have shot down a Pakistani F-16.

Still a lot of room to walk things back, but it’s really not a good thing for two nuclear powers to be actively attacking one another, even in limited fashion.

Svend > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 02/27/2019 at 09:02

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Thing is tensions between India and Pakistan have always been high (though more recent years have cooled a little), things like this cause the butts of UN Security Council members to tighten up rapidly.

The only beneficiaries to conflict between India and Pakistan are Russia and China arms sales.   

facw > Svend 02/27/2019 at 09:08

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Probably also American and French arms sales.

Svend > facw 02/27/2019 at 09:23

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Yep, though the UN would grumble about that. China and Russia are more likely to do it anyway and cheaper. 

facw > Svend 02/27/2019 at 09:33

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The Council is composed of 15 Members:

Five permanent members: China , France , Russian Federation , the United Kingdom, and the United States , and ten non-permanent members elected for two-year terms by the General Assembly (with end of term year):

Belgium (2020)

Côte d’Ivoire (2019)

Dominican Republic (2020)

Equatorial Guinea (2019)

Germany (2020)

Indonesia (2020)

Kuwait (2019)

Peru (2019)

Poland (2019)

South Africa (2020)

I wouldn’t imagine the security council will do much here. And while Pakistan is currently deep into China’s sphere, the US and France both have multiple currently ongoing attempts to sell arms to India. Lockheed just announced the F-21 a “new” fighter for India:

And other fighters from the US , France, UK/Germany/Italy/Spain, Sweden as well as Russia are being considered for the same contract.

I’m pretty sure that unless India does a nuclear first strike, any arms sales from the West will simply be positioned as helping the world’s largest democracy to defend itself, to make sure those profits can roll in.

fintail > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 02/27/2019 at 09:42

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I am sure we can just send over Ja vanka to broker a new peace.

Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 02/27/2019 at 09:42

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Just keeping up the foreign relations amirite

Svend > facw 02/27/2019 at 09:42

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India and Pakistan have been known to use them not just on each other but neighbouring countries.

While the council is made up of 15 members, other countries can get involved by lobbying those 15 member countries to raise their concern. The UNSC may take it up with other organisations . Of those countries, tensions can arise if one tries to arm a country another country doesn’t want them to sell arms too. It’s a very well known volatile region and people don’t want further arms to escalate the situation. 

ranwhenparked > Svend 02/27/2019 at 09:44

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The fact that a territorial dispute is still this hot 70+ years after independence is also testimony to the lack of interest most politicians have in actually solving problems, as opposed to using them as campaign issues. 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > fintail 02/27/2019 at 09:45

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fintail > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 02/27/2019 at 09:58

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The face of nepotism, I mean, hardworking bootstrapping self-made American heroes.

Svend > ranwhenparked 02/27/2019 at 10:15

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Territorial matters always go on and on. To an extent it’s religious, political ideology, etc... The partit io n affected everyone, families were divided and/or sep arated.

There is hardly anything that wouldn’t trigger political discord between the two countries. 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > fintail 02/27/2019 at 10:58

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Eh, my career is the product of nepotism...although not to the extent of Jared. 

fintail > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 02/27/2019 at 11:01

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So you’re Jared-lite? :)

Of  course, it is folly to think even a progressive society has a core of egalitarian meritocracy.  That’s how the world works.  We all have some bit of luck or more behind us.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > fintail 02/27/2019 at 11:05

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My Dad used his connections to get me hired in my first job in the industry, likely higher than where I should have been.

However, he told me that while he can help get me a job, he can’t help me keep it. So I acknowledge that I had help getting in the door, but any success or failure during my career is my own making.

Jared on the other hand....

fintail > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 02/27/2019 at 11:13

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In my experience, getting the job is exponentially more difficult than keeping the job. However, in my opinion, being kind of gifted a job is no different or worse than being given a big down payment for a house, free ride in school, etc.

At least you didn’t marry into it, and your dad and father in law both aren’t conmen :)