"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile) 12/16/2019 at 11:10 • Filed to: ranting

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“we want all the pieces you’re using in this machinery to be specifically rated at exactly the conditions and circumstances they will be operating, and no, rating higher/better doesn’t work for that”

“THE THING ON THIS ONE SHEET DOESN’T MATCH WHAT’S ON THE OTHER SHEET BECAUSE WE CAN’T READ, REEEEEE”

Say (by way of analogy) that you were required to document what screws you were going to use building a deck. Say that the technical document specified for use in composite decking or wood, and an install document detailed as an example how to hold down 3/4" pine. Say then that the customer demanded that you expressly provide info on how the screw would hold down 5/8" composite, because it is crazy to assume a screw that holds down 3/4" pine could hold down 5/8" composite without splitting it.

Sovande > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/16/2019 at 11:17

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So unds like a pretty easy thing to confirm. We are arguing with the owner about toilets being 17-7/8" from the wall. He wants them at 18" for the possible installation of grab bars should a tenant require them. There are 400 toilets that he wants exactly 18" from the wall. In a concrete, post tension building, that's not always the easiest thing.

MonkeePuzzle > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/16/2019 at 11:19

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“request A doesnt match invoice B IDENTICALLY, and despite basic logic allowing me to understand the reasoning I am rejecting this”
basically my entire job of late.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/16/2019 at 11:24

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End users are the enemy.

benjrblant > Sovande 12/16/2019 at 11:29

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Hah! Good luck measuring each one and trying to tell the plumbers setting all 400 toilets that they need better than 1/16" tolerance.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Sovande 12/16/2019 at 11:31

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I’m dealing with stuff like listing one model number for two different locations with different drain locations, and on the unit drawing it lists the one drain location and the alternate drain location. On the plan drawing of the units in place it indicates drain locations and model # (x2). Two types of unit, two each.

“OMG WHICH OF THESE IS NORTH AND WHICH IS SOUTH IT DOESN’T SAY AND WE HAVE TO BE SURE THE DRAINS ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND IT DOESN’T SAY WHERE THE DRAINS ARE”

First off, plan drawing specifically *does* show drain locations, and second, there is not a “north unit” and a “south unit”. READ THE DRAWINGS AND USE 3RD GRADE LOGIC OR GTFO

My boss: so when are we sending them the updated submittal

Me:

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 12/16/2019 at 11:33

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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > MonkeePuzzle 12/16/2019 at 11:34

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*wincing nod of sympathy*

just-a-scratch > Sovande 12/16/2019 at 11:36

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...and how much do the dimensions of the assembled toilets vary? I wouldn’t be surprised if the standard deviation from discharge centerline to back of tank was 1/16" or more.

Sovande > just-a-scratch 12/16/2019 at 11:48

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Without a doubt. I walked with the owner and architect the other day. Using the same tape measure we came up with three different measurements. The entire exercise is absurd.

Sovande > benjrblant 12/16/2019 at 11:50

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Yeah it's absurd. 

benn454 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/16/2019 at 12:58

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Also your boss: Why are you falling behind on schedule and overrunning on cost?

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Sovande 12/16/2019 at 13:03

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Nod and agree, then walk away. He doesn’t need to know that your tolerances are +/- 1/2” for toilet placement. 

ClassicDatsunDebate > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/16/2019 at 13:38

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Please provide your QA manual, ITP, factory certification documents, FAT criteria, project schedule in MS Project, seismic calcs for Zone IV and detailed wiring schematics as per the VDR and please upload onto our janky procurement cloud.

- Engineering firm procuring a box of Kleenex

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ClassicDatsunDebate 12/16/2019 at 13:39

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>seismic calcs

Sovande > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 12/16/2019 at 14:04

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If you can find me language to support that in any kind of official document, I'd have a leg to stand on. The code dictates 16-18" but the code for grab bars dictates that the toilet be 18" off the wall. The owner and architect want the toilets set at 18" for POSSIBLE future work in case a grab bars needs to be installed. 

Snuze: Needs another Swede > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 12/16/2019 at 14:43

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Our “ customer” recently told us our reports, the ones we’ve been providing them for 40 years, sucked and weren’t helpful. We asked them what they didn’t like and how we could make it better. They said they didn’t know, they just didn’t like what they were getting. The big brains in our department decided to just re-order the report sections... . and t hat worked for like a whole year!

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Snuze: Needs another Swede 12/16/2019 at 15:22

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“We want a different thing” - > *hands them same thing, made different*

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Sovande 12/17/2019 at 09:32

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Does code simply say 18" for grab bars, or is it something like 17-19" if a grab bar is installed? Or is there a place in the code with a list of standard tolerances for things like this? If there isn’t a range in the code then I would call your local inspector. They should be able to answer that question for you.

I’m not involved in the building trades, so have no specific expertise with codes for you. All I know is that if the code says toilets must be installed 18" from the wall if a grab bar is installed and they don’t give you any tolerances, then every toilet installed with a grab bar is out of code since there is no way they are exactly 18" from the wall.

Sovande > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 12/17/2019 at 09:53

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We are about to sit with the owner and architect and see if we can’t get this figured out.  It’s bonkers.