Not sure how I missed this... GT3 Manual U.S. Take Rate

"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction) 08/29/2018 at 11:51 • Filed to: None

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Is ~67% !! Awesome. All hail Preuninger! “ I can confirm that the overall take rate of the manual on the 2018 911 GT3 in the US is currently around 2/3rds. It started around 50% when we introduced the car last year and has been trending upward. Also due to the introduction of the Touring Package, which is only available with the manual.”

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Dream car. Worth another watch:

facw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/29/2018 at 12:03

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Meanwhile the take rate on manuals in general has fallen to 2% of new cars sold in the US.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/sc-auto-cover-manual-transmissions-20180710-story.html

Ash78, voting early and often > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/29/2018 at 12:07

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Hot take: Old men with enough money for this car ain’t got time to learn about these newfangled paddle thingies.

Tepid take: Most sports car owners/drivers tend to emulate the techniques and tech of racing, so it’s only a matter of time. I still love a good manual, but this number is still shocking to me.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > facw 08/29/2018 at 12:08

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T hat’s 2% of all cars, whether they offer a manual or not (very few left in the scheme of things) . I’d guess that t he ones that are surviving in the marketplace have sales of at least 15% across the model line.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Ash78, voting early and often 08/29/2018 at 12:11

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Ha!

Will be interesting to see what happens after the initial demand that had built up after the manual wasn’t available in the 991.1.

I’d love to know the sales numbers on the Touring Package. I wish they’d offer if with a rear seat option!

facw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/29/2018 at 12:12

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The article I linked said the take rate is ~4% on the low end Kias (Rio, Forte, Soul), and 20% on the 911 (across all 911 versions) . Would be interesting to be able to see model by model stats.

Also note that the cars offered with manual transmissions are the ones where they think they can sell it, so it’s unlikely that the rate would soar if they just offered more models.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > facw 08/29/2018 at 12:23

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Kia will follow Audi shortly, most likely. Hyundai is offering a manual on the new G 70, though...

I don’t care if manuals aren’t available in all cars, I just want it available in cars I want, and high take-rates in enthusiast models (Miata, 86, Mustang, GTI, Wrangler, etc) is a great thing that will hopefully make them stick around (no pun intended!) for some time to come.

SPAMBot - Horse Doctor > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/29/2018 at 12:31

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One passed me on my way home from Laguna Seca this weekend. He dropped a few gears and took off for a bit. It sadly, was a PDK. It did sound good even though I think most Porsches sound like doodoo haha

MUGENJIBZ > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/29/2018 at 13:12

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I love the above video. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > MUGENJIBZ 08/29/2018 at 13:23

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LOVE!

The cars, the noises, his voice, the art of it...

MUGENJIBZ > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/29/2018 at 13:32

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Seriously. I’ve watched it many times...always whets my appetite for a drive!!!

Vicente Esteve > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/29/2018 at 20:11

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That something I really didn't expect. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Vicente Esteve 08/29/2018 at 21:45

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No joke.  I’m super impressed!

Vicente Esteve > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/29/2018 at 21:48

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This and the take rate on M-Cars make me feel safe they will survive at least one more generation. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Vicente Esteve 08/29/2018 at 23:30

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Yup, and since I’m buying used, that’s two generations for me! =)

Arrivederci > Ash78, voting early and often 08/30/2018 at 09:16

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Old man friend of mine bought a PDK GT3.  I was so disappoint.

PS9 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/30/2018 at 10:40

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I want to feel good about this. But if only $150k+ cars can have high manual take rates while it’s single digits everywhere else (BMWs inventory for manuals last year was 2% of all cars. That falls to 1% when you take away the Ms), then the future of the manual is one where only the very wealthy can have it, and even then, only on a handful of cars that will become unobtanium after they enter the used collectors market. Automagics for everyone else. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > PS9 08/30/2018 at 11:14

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M2 take rate is 50%. I assume it’s fairly high for Mustang , GTI , WRX, Miata, 86, Jeep ... There will be some survivors for us norms.

One potential upside: all these manual GT3s being bought by rich, old dudes; eventually, they get too old to drive a manual (or drive period) and/or die; cars flood the market, but very few people left who can (or care to) drive them = depreciation in our favor due to insufficient demand ?

PS9 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/30/2018 at 11:41

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M2 is one $60k car. It’s already gone from the M5, the M8 won’t be getting it at all, and your rank-and-file non-M BMW buyers no longer care for rowing your own. Audi’s jumping ship, and Merc never boarded. If the manual dies in the next 20 years I won’t be shocked.

I have 0% hope that plebian forces like depreciation will ever affect the GT3. Porsche keeps a trained eye on that for their special models and knows how to manipulate the market to maintain desirability for their high-tier cars, even after they enter the used market.

RX > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/30/2018 at 12:14

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How much of this has to do with protecting the resale price?  People have to start noticing the manuals command quite a premium on the used market.

TulsaMtnBiker (OkieRising) > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/30/2018 at 13:18

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Question is, when does yours arrive?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > TulsaMtnBiker (OkieRising) 08/30/2018 at 13:27

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Uh... 2035 or so, if the fates are very kind.

Hey-zues > Ash78, voting early and often 08/30/2018 at 16:14

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People who haven’t driven the PDK and “investors” (flippers) drove that number up- I’ve seen quite a few manuals for sale, with very low miles. The Porsche crowd is full of weirdos, and the market is just as weird for it. The 911r may have brought the manual back, but it’s more nostalgia and marketing than actually enjoyable. I LOVE a manual car, but on a GT3? Silly. There is a reason they developed the pdk, and it was to help the driver focus on all the important things- like apexes  and tire traction.

Textured Soy Protein > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/30/2018 at 16:23

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Makes sense that a car that most likely is not people’s daily driver is more likely to be bought with the manual, even if it’s track-focused and the paddles are faster.

I personally enjoy a good flappy paddle gearbox, and I also enjoy shifting a manual transmission. I like busting a good heel toe, a nice rev match , etc., but driving it in traffic day in and day out can be a slog.

With my move from Madison to DC and my evening commute being a good hour or so with much of it in heavy traffic, I feel like my next car will probably not be a stick.

If I had unlimited parking and funds , I would probably get an Accord Hybrid for the commute and something fun and silly to go along with. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Textured Soy Protein 08/30/2018 at 16:31

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If I was dealing with extended periods of stop & go on my commute every day, I might just be right there with you.

Honestly, with a 60 mile commute each day, it probably would have been the smart, rational thing to buy a comfortable & efficient pure commuter, but I couldn’t bring myself to do that...

That said, I wouldn’t at all mind owning a Mazda 3 hatch (manual) again one day.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Ash78, voting early and often 08/31/2018 at 00:26

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I think another factor is that “collectors” are getting wind that manuals are dying, and Porsche did attempt to take it out of the GT3 with the 991.1.

GT3 is the current “bro” model of Porsche to get (replacing the Turbo, which is now a mass-produced flagship) , so I think people who originally didn’t plan to buy a stick are now willing to put up with it to mitigate depreciation .