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"KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs" (kusabisensei) 08/15/2018 at 15:35 • Filed to: None

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So a few weeks back, the extension spring on the door where my Camaro is parked broke. That’s led to one thing after another...but today, I got the new opener partially installed.

Now I have two insulated steel doors, and two of the Ryobi openers (which got them sued by Chamberlain for patent infringement), and my neurotic tendency to over-engineer everything.

Example: The drop straps are going to be replaced with angle iron verticals and angle iron bracing. In fact, the two runners between the floor joists weren’t even there with the old opener.

At least I’m getting my $20 out of the hacksaw I bought.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/15/2018 at 15:39

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my father-in-law really wants one of the ryobi openers, but we keep telling him no cause theres nothing wrong with the current one. his argument is he already owns the entire ryobi cordless catalog whats a garage door opener in the grand scheme of things lol

OPPOsaurus WRX > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/15/2018 at 15:39

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that gutter path.... lol

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > OPPOsaurus WRX 08/15/2018 at 15:40

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That one wasn’t me. That was some yahoo circa 1988 that pulled that hot mess. :)

nerd_racing > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/15/2018 at 15:42

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My opener took a dump and my doors consist of a non-insulated wood overhead door and a sliding barn door.  How pricey do the thermal doors get, if you don’t mind me asking? I’d like to heat one bay at some point. 

The Ghost of Oppo > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/15/2018 at 15:42

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Did the spring damage anything when it broke?  I always wonder what happens when something under that tension snaps

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/15/2018 at 15:47

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At least I’m getting my $20 out of the hacksaw I bought.

And this is where I say something mean about you cutting reliefs into two pieces for no actual reason.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 08/15/2018 at 15:48

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Mine was “Although the ancient Genie screw drive works, it’s loud as all get out, and I hate lubing it. Also, the second door is a Chamberlain opener, and I’m tired of having the wrong remote whenever I’m in a car.”

Genie’s smart home stuff isn’t what you’d call *good*. Also Chamberlain wants to charge for integration with IFTTT and Google Home.

Fuck. That. Shit.

Ryobi belt drive opener with battery backup it is then.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > nerd_racing 08/15/2018 at 15:50

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These are each 9'x7' doors R10.25 insulation, and a steel interior skin. T hey were $775/each installed. Slightly cheaper without windows. Slightly more with patterned glass inserts.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > The Ghost of Oppo 08/15/2018 at 15:50

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Fortunately, it did not hit the Camaro. That would have made me really mad.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/15/2018 at 15:53

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That was only 5 minutes, and I had enough bars that I could make a new piece.

Besides, dropping the water lines slightly was the better option there.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/15/2018 at 15:54

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I’m sorry, I can’t hear you over the stench. The stench of failure.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/15/2018 at 15:55

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... and I’m over here with a Craftsman chain-drive opener dating to 1972.

Admittedly, did replace the receiver with something that speaks HomeLink frequencies. Some time in the early 90's.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/15/2018 at 15:58

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Exposed insulation? Lah-dee-DAH. Trade you my exposed bug-eaten window framing from my garage?

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/15/2018 at 15:59

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how quiet is it?

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > The Ghost of Oppo 08/15/2018 at 16:02

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When one of the springs on my garage broke it punched a hole through the styrofoam ceiling tile, so it at least can do that.

LOREM IPSUM > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/15/2018 at 16:08

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As an insulator, I am highly dissapoint.

Batt that shit! :)

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > LOREM IPSUM 08/15/2018 at 16:17

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Yeah, the previous owner of his house seriously did exactly what it looks like - bought bags of stuffed animal/pillow stuffing and put them up. Really.

VRFlyer > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/15/2018 at 16:24

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Speaking of Chamberlain....

My new house has a 3yr old Chamberlain garage opener and it blows. I have to be within less than 7ft before it catches the remote’s signal. My ol’ condo had a 15yr old Craftstman opener (with an all wood door) and I could open it from at least 40 yards easily - not to mention with obstructions.

LOREM IPSUM > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/15/2018 at 16:32

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I’d rip it all out and redo it in R28. Or at the very least stack another r14 on top (err, below) what’s already there. But honestly, the latter is a horrible idea because it would all need to be strapped in to keep it from falling out at random. At best, a pain in the ass with ugly end result, but cheaper if that’s most important.

Not that anyone asked, lol 

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > LOREM IPSUM 08/15/2018 at 16:42

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As someone who has done quite a bit of insulating in my time, I endorse your suggestion. Or, at least R14+ nothing else. It’s tricky because the main house has other points of being badly insulated to the garage (the door to the garage isn’t an exterior door!) and he usually keeps the outside doors closed, but at the same time, the garage gets punishingly hot if the doors stay open at all, and even sometimes without, because Georgia.

I imagine the new doors are helping a lot with the hot-even-when-closed problem. The best practice has typically been to try to condition the garage at least somewhat, which makes insulation under the dining room floor less critical.

(He’s a college buddy of mine, I helped him inspect houses when shopping for one, I’ve helped him do homeowner projects, and even boarded there with him for a month).

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/15/2018 at 16:47

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Silence. It was a learning experience, and I learned something, so there. 

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 08/15/2018 at 16:48

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This I don’t know yet. I haven’t run it, since I’m still fabricating brace brackets, and am about to run to Home Depot to get more lag screws.

Then install the electrical outlet, and then I’ll know how quiet it is :)

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > LOREM IPSUM 08/15/2018 at 16:51

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The walls will likely get insulation, and there is a window in the garage that’s blacked out, so I may get a window heat pump (since I work in the garage in the winter)

But the previous owner? She did some really crazy things and fancied herself a handy DIYer. The problem was that she made far more issues than she solved with her half-baked solutions (like not having angle iron brackets for the garage openers, and powering one opener off an Edison screw adapter coupled to an extension cord with a cut grounding pin).

To say she was a piece of work is a very generous understatement.

LOREM IPSUM > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/15/2018 at 16:54

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In that case I  might be inclined to open up any garage exterior walls, batt and poly them and the joists, and make the garage a warm space altogether.

But now we’re into a reno, lmao.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 08/15/2018 at 16:55

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I’d raise you the “Original builders had literally zero idea how to flash a roof” which required a completely rebuilt chimney and no fewer than 3 places which required OSB replacement after we deconstructed for the kitchen and dining room remodel.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/15/2018 at 16:55

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... I withdraw my offer.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 08/15/2018 at 16:57

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This house was built in 1987/1988 (depending on who you ask), and was clearly built to a price.

I’ve been re-doing the half-assed things on the house with doing things the correct way since I bought it.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/15/2018 at 16:57

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Which are now disintegrating at rates that would be alarming to stuffed animals everywhere.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > LOREM IPSUM 08/15/2018 at 16:59

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I won’t be able to top the kitchen and dining room remodel, which ended up being “rebuild that half of the house completely”

Nom De Plume > LOREM IPSUM 08/15/2018 at 16:59

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Staple insulation, staple shims to facing side of studs as bracing , staple poly over both.  That should buy you a number of years.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > LOREM IPSUM 08/15/2018 at 17:00

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I think the south wall might have some half-assed insulation behind the pegboard, but I can’t quite remember. It’s not got any drywall up, obviously.

One detail he didn’t mention about the slightly odd previous owner - The Mickeys. See, she collected Mickey Mouse figurines as well as Hummel, and had kind of a running thing. There was a Mickey Mouse tile in the downstairs bathroom, one of the figurines was accidentally left behind, and some outside features were Mickey’ed, like the little garden pool in a Mickey Mouse logo shape. Then there was the day we noticed that the spots on the floor at the entry on the hardwood floor were not wood grain details, but tiny little Mickey Mouse logos done in pen.

Yeah, his house might actually need a Mickcorsism.

Nom De Plume > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/15/2018 at 17:02

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At least she stopped shy of landscaping said MM head into the lawn?

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 08/15/2018 at 17:03

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SR20 of the first place that had to be rebuilt. I think I stopped taking pictures because it happened so many times.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Nom De Plume 08/15/2018 at 17:04

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*camera pans up and out slowly as Ramblin and KusabiSensei stand looking somberly out at the lawn, revealing for one brief moment a Mickey shape made up of various items they can’t see, credits roll*

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/15/2018 at 17:08

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You also didn’t know that they went to Disney World every year at Christmas.

Like had a limo come and pick all 8 of them up and go to the airport to go to Disney.

The youngest was 17 or something. Just......why.......

BTW, the Mickeys on the entry way got exorcised when I had the floors refinished during the kitchen remodel.

LOREM IPSUM > Nom De Plume 08/15/2018 at 17:08

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Paperback went the way of the dinosaur in my neck of the woods decades ago, but if it’s still acceptable for use in that climate then yeah, easy enough.

For us, the batts would need to be flush with the bottom of the joists with none of the sides of the joists exposed to get a pass on inspection. R14 being relatively thin with not a lot of edge c ontact to speak of, it likes to fall out, esp ecially if there is something above it pushing down, so I’d be running poly strips all over the place to keep it in place. And even that would be just to keep it in place long enough for it to b e boarded.

Completely different climate and codes here than GA though, so check your local listings. 

LOREM IPSUM > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/15/2018 at 17:10

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You've got yourself a heluva conversation piece though! Wowie. Haha. Some people are quite the characters.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Nom De Plume 08/15/2018 at 17:10

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I wouldn’t have put it past her. Think crazy cat lady but with Mickeys and a delusion about how well she could DIY stuff.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/15/2018 at 17:17

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File under “Things I didn’t spot when inspecting with you, because how, why, and seriously what”

Nom De Plume > LOREM IPSUM 08/15/2018 at 17:26

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True enough. Faced with adding between a finished and unfinished space I went with the cheap way to create a vapor barrier and insulate.  Better believe they have high humidity and that concrete sweats.

LOREM IPSUM > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/15/2018 at 17:50

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Oh boy.

*s tarts assembling scaffolding*

nerd_racing > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/16/2018 at 07:50

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That’s really reasonable, I thought they would be more.  Thank you! 

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 08/16/2018 at 14:46

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So I found out how quiet it is. You can only hear a very faint whir from the DC motor when directly above it in the kitchen.

In the dining room adjacent, or the great room, nothing. Elsewhere in the house, nothing.

Very happy with that piece.