Tonight's mental build/thought experiment

"Khalbali" (khalbali2) 08/14/2018 at 21:42 • Filed to: None

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This-

With a Volvo t5 engine/trans and muffler delete. Always loved the first gen mazda5 and they share the c1 platform with the c30 and s40 so wikipedia leads me to believe the subframe is the same. Any oppos have experience with t5 reliability? There's a good chance I'll need a cheap beater in a couple months and not sure if I should get the mazda5 first or the s40 first lol.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Khalbali 08/14/2018 at 21:48

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A team in the lap of America challenge did it in a mazdaspeed3 swapped mazda5. My initial opinion is that would be easier and better.

daender > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 08/14/2018 at 22:10

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Fuck yeah, that Mazdaspeed5!

DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever > Khalbali 08/14/2018 at 22:18

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Any oppos have experience with t5 reliability?

Why yes, Head gasket blew at 250k miles and it was gonna be 3-4 k to replace. So I’d differently get a rebuilt one.

Other than that, the engine had no issues for the 6 months or so I owned it.

Khalbali > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 08/14/2018 at 22:18

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Maybe easier, i dunno about the wiring with the Volvo engine. But I’d wanna go for the t5 for the sound and cool factor, after all this is highly highly unlikely to ever happen although I am looking at both mazda5s and s40s on Craigslist. The big thing is I think I’d want to go automatic for it, and I doubt the stock trans would take it, so that leaves a cx7 engine/trans swap or the t5. And the cx7 would have a different subframe and might be harder to fit with the trans. Plus s40s are way cheaper. I know you could get a manual in both the 5 and the s40 but I really don’t like the feel in the older 3 and 5 so I’d have to drive an s40 and see if that’s any better. But for practicality in this build I’m ok with an auto I think.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Khalbali 08/14/2018 at 23:08

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Knowing that the c30/s40/v50 chassis is related to the 3 and therefor the 5, I’ve has this thought before seems like a great idea but not one I’d spend the time on

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Khalbali 08/14/2018 at 23:22

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2.3l turbo MZR. Like 268 horsepower.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Khalbali 08/15/2018 at 01:52

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I feel like you’re missing the forest for the trees. Yes, you can get a decent sound out of a volvo 5 cylinder and yes, that would be an uncommon swap in the mazda 5. But after a few miles of it......wouldnt the novelty wear off? Doubly so if you put in an autobox transmission. At the end of the day you’d spend all that money for....a slightly quicker mazda 5 that sounds okay and can’t be easily fixed or maintained since the vehicle was never meant to have the drivetrain it has?

If all you want is the volvo sounds, then just get a volvo. I know they don’t make a minivan but I assure you, you’ll probably enjoy either the mazdaspeed 5 more, or you’ll enjoy your raucous XC volvo more than you would this headache of a machine.

Props to you if you can do this build....but make sure you do it for yourself because I don’t see many people getting all “OH DUDE! THIS GU PUT A VOLVO 5 CYLINDER AND AN AUTOMATIC IN HIS MAZDA 5!!!!!!” afterwards.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Khalbali 08/15/2018 at 06:58

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Why go Volvo when the MS3 driveline should swap in pretty easily?

Khalbali > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/15/2018 at 10:01

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Well the uniqueness is definitely part of it, also the sound.  But i also kinda want to go automatic instead of manual and a cx7 swap might be harder not sure. I would think the volvo would more or less bolt in and just be wiring issues whereas the cx7 might have a harder time fitting with the beefier trans but wiring should be simpler although probably still not plug and play.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Khalbali 08/15/2018 at 10:03

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Makes sense then.

Carry on. ;)

Khalbali > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 08/15/2018 at 10:03

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I mean, you're not wrong, that's why its just a thought experiment lol. I dunno, something about it just appeals to me. I do want to get a Mazda 5 but in all honesty it would probably stay pretty stock.

Khalbali > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 08/15/2018 at 10:04

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Psst, too easy. It's a thought experiment, dream big!

Khalbali > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 08/15/2018 at 10:06

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I probably wouldn’t either, just day(night) dreaming here 

I do want a Mazda 5 though.

Khalbali > DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever 08/15/2018 at 10:07

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I mean, I don’t think I’d expect more t han 250k out of a ford era volvo anyways.... but definitely something to look out for.

Khalbali > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/15/2018 at 10:08

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Just day dreaming, I do want a Mazda 5 for my next dd though....

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Khalbali 08/15/2018 at 10:10

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I’ve always wanted to stuff the 4.0L/6-speed combo into one of my 2nd gen vans.

Then I found out you have to swap and integrate the whole body harness.....

DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever > Khalbali 08/15/2018 at 13:28

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Forgot to mention, I was doing some research and apparently it’s a fairly common failure after 150k, and the cylinder heads have a tendency to warp so bad they need to be replaced. So I’d just be wary of any junkyard motors.

Khalbali > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/15/2018 at 18:47

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Yeah I'm afraid this would be similar....

Khalbali > DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever 08/15/2018 at 18:49

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If I went that route I'd probably rebuild it before putting it in, but good to know. Honestly I'd probably get the mazda5 for a cheap dd and then when it gets retired if I'm feeling ambitious I'll look for an s40 donor. Very unlikely though lol.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Khalbali 08/16/2018 at 07:00

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I can sort the engine with Megasquirt, but getting the trans to play without the factory wiring/computers is the issue as no one makes a good standalone that works with Chrysler transmissions.

Khalbali > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/16/2018 at 17:06

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Yeah maybe I should stick to a manual  after all and simplify things.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Khalbali 08/17/2018 at 07:04

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Manual is generally easier to swap, at least from an electronics stand point. They can get very in depth getting all the cables and/or linkages sorted, not that I know anything about that:   https://oppositelock.kinja.com/thought-id-post-up-my-old-acclaim-build-for-everyone-1823032640

Khalbali > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/17/2018 at 10:15

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Yeah it might not be too bad if the shell was already a manual Mazda 5 though.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Khalbali 08/17/2018 at 10:16

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Pick up a wrecked manual 5 and swap everything over.