"Ash78, voting early and often" (ash78)
07/06/2018 at 16:19 • Filed to: None
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"Ash78, voting early and often" (ash78)
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Politics and link after the pic. The first FOB in my family came from Germany just in time to serve on a Union Navy ironclad ship during the Siege of Vicksburg. It helped earn him citizenship.
Eventually policies will start to hit home with everyone in some small way, and then where is your support?
Fortune magazine link to help avoid bias:
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themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
> Ash78, voting early and often
07/06/2018 at 16:26 |
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Wh at was the saying? I f you don’t stand behind them, you are free to stand in front of them?
For Sweden
> Ash78, voting early and often
07/06/2018 at 16:31 |
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I’m not sure “Recruits fail background check before basic training” is a big news story.
ZHP Sparky, the 5th
> Ash78, voting early and often
07/06/2018 at 16:36 |
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Shameful. This combined with the news reports today about the administrating ramping up focus on denaturalization of citizens whom they believe went through improper process in receiving citizenship…sigh.
Being an immigrant in this country is getting tiring. I love it, and it is my home, but it is still exhausting. So many unknowns ahead. I’ll be eligible for citizenship this August (16 years later, yay!) – cannot wait to at least get that behind me. There will still be unknowns that will continue to stress me out while this administration (and especially that troll Steven Miller) is in power, but will be something amazing to look in to after dealing with the ridiculous maze that is this country’s legal immigration system for so long.
Future next gen S2000 owner
> Ash78, voting early and often
07/06/2018 at 16:36 |
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This isn’t like that were in for years and are suddenly kicked out. None had completed basic training, unless I missed it. It seems more like the wanted to serve and had issues with background checks.
This seems to be a bit sensationalist.
fintail
> Ash78, voting early and often
07/06/2018 at 16:39 |
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Just when you think there’s nothing left in that basket. Of cou rse, the magachoads are fine with th is.
I wonder what Mueller is doing today.
Kanaric
> Ash78, voting early and often
07/06/2018 at 16:50 |
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Service should guarantee citizenship.
ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
> Future next gen S2000 owner
07/06/2018 at 17:38 |
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The article talks about at at l east some number of drilling reservists being processed out, which are folks that have completed their training and doing their jobs as called for in the contract on drill weekends and annual training . I haven’t read anything with a whole lot of detail on how exactly they’re processing these discharges and what characterization of service and reenlistment codes are being assigned, but this sounds very, very fishy. Normally being discharged from military past the 6 month point for an Entry Level Separation (which in most respects has the legal effect of having never been in the military at all) , is a very long processes with a whole lot of opportunities for redress by the service member concerned (and/or their attorney ) . There is nothing fast about the process, and very rarely does something happen that is unexpected for everyone concerned. This doesn’t sound like what’s happening.
Now for folks in the Delay Entry Program (folks who have signed a contract and taken the oath, but not yet reported for initial training), they can be released from the contact through fairly quick processes as an entry level separation .
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Future next gen S2000 owner
> ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
07/06/2018 at 17:48 |
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The article is too short to really dive into what they are getting. If they made it to boot camp they are subject to the UCMJ, and that doesn’t change with the political party in charge.
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ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
> For Sweden
07/06/2018 at 17:54 |
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The reporting is suggesting that folks are being told there are background problems and bei n g separated after they’ve been contracted and taken the oath. That is highly usual outside of a soon to be recruit getting arrested or otherwise coming under investigation prior to shipping for initial training, or requesting the separation themselves because they got cold feet . While the security clearance isn’t active until someone ships for training, the background check process is completed (usually an NCIC III report, review of local records , a national agency check and a credit check ) and approved (along with any required waivers) before they’re contracted and administered the oath of enlistment.
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For Sweden
> ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
07/06/2018 at 17:58 |
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The oath means little to nothing until they ship to training, and I suspect the background check for non-citizens has more steps.
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ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
> Future next gen S2000 owner
07/06/2018 at 18:10 |
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Actually , they’re subject to the UCMJ the second they take the oath, we just choose to not normally hold them to it until they ship, just as we will separate any one from the DEP prior to shipping at their request (well, after a few folks in the recruiting command have emptily threatened UCMJ action established that the request is sincere and considered) . The UCMJ isn’t relevant to this (and we can talk the UCMJ and at least USMC administrative orders all day if you want) , as the only discharges governed by it are punitive discharges, which ain’t whats happening here. These folks would’ve been criminally investigated, charged, convicted and represented by lawyers at every step of that very long process.
See my reply to For Sweden . The background check process is completed (and any needed waivers approved ) before someone contracts and takes the oath. This process isn’t service specific, as all services use the same joint military entrance processing stations for joining military members. E ven an administrate se pa ration is long process with many opportunities for redress along the way. There is something else is likely going on here.
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ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
> For Sweden
07/06/2018 at 18:18 |
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Wrong. The contract (and UCMJ jurisdiction) starts the second the oath is administered . That time between when they sign and when they ship is time in service (legally, they are members of the Inactive Ready Reserve ) . T he DoD just choosees not to prosecute folks under the UCMJ until they ship as a matter of policy and discretion , not as a matter of law, and ELS provides an administratively superior solution to deal with problem when someone does do something stupid before shipping ) . The background check probably does have more steps, but a MEPS station doesn’t contract and administer the oath until it is completed and all needed waivers are approved.
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For Sweden
> ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
07/06/2018 at 18:27 |
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The background check can take years
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ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
> For Sweden
07/06/2018 at 18:43 |
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I wasn’t aware that program existed, and it certainly isn’t a mainstream way folks join. Even if these are the folks being se pa rated (and well past the point for an ELS) , if this is happening without a lengthy administrative process, hearings and the opportunity for redress and legal representation, there is something wrong going on.
DipodomysDeserti
> ZHP Sparky, the 5th
07/06/2018 at 20:51 |
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Good luck!
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ZHP Sparky, the 5th
> DipodomysDeserti
07/09/2018 at 11:00 |
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Update from the weekend, as relevant – news reports out noting that the administration is scrutinizing “change of status” applications at all stages of the immigration process and recommending deportation proceedings (!) if any inconsistencies are found. Many of which can be caused as a result of legitimate complications or paperwork issues resulting from being navigating the immigration system for decades (like the 16 years, which is a good scenario, in my case). Not hey, let’s look in to this and figure things out. DEPORT!
Change of status can be anything from going from a student visa to a work visa, changing employers, etc….or moving from a green card to citizenship, as in my case. I need to read more in to this but it’s really nerve wracking – a good part of me wants to hold off on applying for my citizenship at this point, as I’m pretty happy with my green card situation (although a US passport to be able to travel internationally without as much paperwork/visas would be nice...and I’d love to vote this year and in 2020).
For a country and administration that keeps saying they want people coming here “the right way”, they’re going really far out of their way to make that process as painful and impossible as they can.
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DipodomysDeserti
> ZHP Sparky, the 5th
07/09/2018 at 11:48 |
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Shit, good luck man. Maybe make an Oppo post about all the hoops you have to jump through to do things “the right way”, and how these racists are making that more difficult. A lot of these yahoos like to spout off about immigration while being completely ignorant on the subject.