Is this the Ultimate All-Weather family vehicle?

"KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time" (kngt) 04/15/2018 at 19:07 • Filed to: Minivan, Toyota, sienna

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2018 Sienna- 7 Seater, 296 HP, 0-60 in 7 seconds flat, Available AWD and all safety tech with a no-nonsense simple yet functional interior. Do you really need a crossover like a Pilot/Pathfinder/Highlander?

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winterlegacy, here 'till the end > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/15/2018 at 19:28

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I like the previous gen Sienna’s front clip far more than the current Sienna’s. Too much Toyota fishface going on...

Spanfeller is a twat > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/15/2018 at 19:38

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I thought minivans had awful rear end safety (in the case of someone rear ending you) but that was a long time ago, maybe now its better?

wafflesnfalafel > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/15/2018 at 20:00

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agree - they make a fabulous do everything vehicle for folks that need the space. That Toyota is the one i’d get currently. I really liked the first and 2nd gen (full size) Hondas too, but the new ones with the weird styling bug me even though they have a nice technical package. They are still a fairly good value too.

random001 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/15/2018 at 20:01

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Needs better mpgs

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/15/2018 at 20:05

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Eh, our Odyssey does well in any condition, even without AWD. I never really liked the interior quality of Sienna’s or the look of them. Odyssey isn’t bad looking to me, don’t know what’s up with all the hate.

M.T. Blake > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/15/2018 at 20:18

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Bought a new Sienna SE two months ago. Full review being written in my head currently. To be finished whenever it surfaces through the other thoughts.

Textured Soy Protein > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute 04/15/2018 at 21:03

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Toyota’s interior quality for the past decade or so has been consistently disappointing.

Textured Soy Protein > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/15/2018 at 21:10

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I’m all for minivans instead of crossovers but I’m also very ehhh on modern Toyotas. They’re probably still durable and reliable, and you can get all the expected modern gizmos, but they also feel cheap and engineered to a price point with cost cutting evident throughout. But if you want an awd minivan it’s basically the Sienna or the Sienna.

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/15/2018 at 21:16

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I’ll still take our pacifica over this one. Very nice place to be for family trips, and ours seats 8. Winter tires make the need for AWD moot.

Cash Rewards > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/15/2018 at 21:24

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My wife’s argument was that she didn’t want to live with the half a foot of length this had over a pilot, every single day, for the 6 days a year it’d be nice to have. It’s a good point.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute 04/15/2018 at 21:34

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This is Canada we’re talking about. Approx 2 million people die there because of lack of AWD and/or Winter tires? You could LITERALLY DIE, MAN! Also you need that AWD to put that neck-snapping power down.

Liam Farrell > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/15/2018 at 23:09

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I’d still take our suburban even though it’s a hunk of shit. It has great passing power and will happily cruise at 85-90 all day long. It’s actually able to go off road and get back home. Also driving a minivan is terrible, both physically and mentally.

RangerSmith > Liam Farrell 04/15/2018 at 23:52

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Plus if you get it or slightly smaller Tahoe in one of the right colors, people move out of your way. Thus getting you home from your mini-vacation quicker. I shaved 45 minutes off a 3 hour drive today! 85 mph the whole way!

RT > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/16/2018 at 04:28

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There’s a much better-suited new Toyota out there.

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/16/2018 at 05:07

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Let’s see.... Life or VTEC? The obvious answer here is VTEC!

Long-Voyager > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/16/2018 at 07:28

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Goes farther, does it faster, costs far less:

Long-Voyager > Liam Farrell 04/16/2018 at 07:30

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Counterpoint: My minivan runs the quarter in 15.2, takes us off-road everywhere, averages 24mpg, and still feels tight/responsive.

Long-Voyager > random001 04/16/2018 at 07:32

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18/24?

Jesus, my 24yo minivan averages better than that, on 27" AT2s.

Liam Farrell > Long-Voyager 04/16/2018 at 08:05

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Your minivan is definitely an exception, but New minivans with 20 inch wheels and low profile tires don’t help them.

There’s no way an awd minivan can make it through deep soft sand where we go off-roading. I’ve seen many Jeeps stuck in the sand up to their frames, granted a lot of that is skill, but no way is a minivan making it out there.   

random001 > Long-Voyager 04/16/2018 at 08:28

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I don’t know, really. I love minivans, and the utility they bring, and the performance is getting better, but my Wife refuses to own one, and it doesn’t make sense for me to commute in one, soo.....

ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/16/2018 at 08:49

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My wife and I are currently shopping newer used Siennas and Odysseys. Im curious to give the Sienna a test drive if we can find one. Minivans dont seem to stay on the market very long, not reasonably priced ones at least.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/16/2018 at 09:37

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No, because the Sienna is fucking terrible to drive. The steering wheel doesn’t seem to have any connection to the front wheels, and it’s exhausting over long distances. On top of that the cruise control is useless on anything other than flat ground, it lets the speed sink way past the set speed and then kicks down multiple gears and floors the gas, taking you up past your set speed so it can start the cycle all over again.

No. Thank. You.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > RT 04/16/2018 at 09:48

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Baller

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Long-Voyager 04/16/2018 at 10:05

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Sure it’s unique but does it have 2 DVD players?  In-Cabin Spying Systems? Not two but Triple-Zone Climate Control? and a 4GLTE Wifi network so that the kids can watch their favorite shows on the go (and avoid all human interaction with their parents)?

Long-Voyager > random001 04/16/2018 at 10:08

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I used to refuse to own one. Then we had our 3rd kid and looked at all the options for carting kids. The minivan is by far the best vehicle for carrying children.

I’m thankful my wife carries my view on CUVs: They’re all just less useful minivans. People that buy them only do so to uphold an image that doesn’t exist.

Long-Voyager > Liam Farrell 04/16/2018 at 10:12

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Wheels/tires can be changed. I’ve never had an issue due to lack of traction with my van. Any time I’ve been stuck has been due to lack of clearance, at which I have as much as pretty much every modern SUV/CUV, so they’d have had the same issue.

Long-Voyager > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/16/2018 at 10:15

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Nope, it has no useless features for sake of having useless features. Yet it still manages to do everything I need it to and then some, while carting my family comfortably without worry.

random001 > Long-Voyager 04/16/2018 at 10:24

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Yeah. We have a Crosstrek, which I like a lot, and the wife likes a lot, and it’s adequate. I wish she would have agreed to go with the Outback at the time, but she likes smaller cars. With only two kids, though, we get by ok. Just moved my boy to front facing today, so that should make it nicer for me to drive.

Long-Voyager > random001 04/16/2018 at 11:59

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I actually kinda like the Crosstreks, they don’t really work with 3 kiddos though.

random001 > Long-Voyager 04/16/2018 at 12:30

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No they do not!

I’m almost to the point of convincing her to let me butch it up all offroad style. Almost...

Long-Voyager > random001 04/16/2018 at 12:37

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Do it:

random001 > Long-Voyager 04/16/2018 at 12:50

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right?!

random001 > Long-Voyager 04/16/2018 at 12:51

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RIGHT?

Long-Voyager > random001 04/16/2018 at 16:06

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How can she say no?

Just swing it to her like this: Wait until it needs tires, then tell her it only makes sense to make it more capable and safer for adverse weather.

random001 > Long-Voyager 04/16/2018 at 21:00

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This I am saving!

Long-Voyager > random001 04/17/2018 at 07:09

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That’s how I swung getting the AT2s on my van. Since then, we’ve both been extremely happy it. They wear excellent on a van seeings they’re truck tires and they go through everything.

I use valid reasoning for “upgrades/mods” and 9/10 times the wife has no argument.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/22/2019 at 12:40

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Long voyager in this thread: “I have a 24 year old minivan”

“Did you know I have a 24 year old minivan?”

“My old minivan is better”

“Nothing my old minivan couldn’t do”

etc etc

Lol...we still love you Long Voyager (and your van)

(I know it’s an old thread I just found it funny)