I'm not exactly a huge fan of the K900

"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg) 04/10/2018 at 15:40 • Filed to: I can't think of anything with 420hp that's *less* aggressive than a K900

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But you have to admit that for prices starting in the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , you could do a lot worse than one of these if you just want something to eat up highway miles and have all the modern amenities you could want.

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For that price and with roughly similar miles, you can either get a comparable German car that’s a few years older and absolutely guaranteed to cost multiple times as much to maintain, or you cold opt for a Lexus that’s ten years older and lacks the tech. Personally I’d probably still go with one of those options, but from a practical standpoint, a used K900 is just plain good value.

Chariotoflove > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/10/2018 at 15:43

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I can think of many reasons why someone would buy something else, like that Lexus you mentioned. What I would find interesting is what those reasons might be.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/10/2018 at 15:44

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Ooh! “AGGRESSIVE!”. I am pretty sure even with 420HP it’s far from “AGGRESSIVE!”

Doug didn’t think it was the best value though even if he liked many aspects of it. Watch from 21:45

Spanfeller is a twat > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/10/2018 at 15:45

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I’d get a K900 any day of the week. I like left of field cars, like the v8 S80 or SAABS

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Chariotoflove 04/10/2018 at 15:47

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They might trust the brand more or still want something with a bit of cachet. That or the fact that they never even consider the K900 in the first place because they’ve never heard of it.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/10/2018 at 15:47

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I think it makes sense if you want a fast commuter car that is luxurious. Like an Avalon but faster.

Update: Scratch that. Avalons are 8 9k cheaper than the K900

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/10/2018 at 15:47

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It’s a much better value when the price is 1/3 as much.

gin-san - shitpost specialist > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/10/2018 at 15:48

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My uncle who lives in Seoul had just recently bought one when I visited two years ago (so no longer recent, I guess) but it was a very smooth and comfortable car. There were things missing from a luxury car like power window shades and rear ventilated seats, but overall I enjoyed the passenger experience.

The new price in NA is a lot, and nobody buys these in Canada. I do see the odd Genesis here and there but the K900 might as well be a unicorn.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 04/10/2018 at 15:48

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Precisely. This is a bigger, faster Avalon and there’s something to be said for that.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/10/2018 at 15:49

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That’s what he says in the end but he does make some good points about how you should expect more given the entire premise of the K900 is “More features and value than the competition for a lower price”

I think the new 2019 K900 fixes all that. Now let’s wait and see if it drops to the low 20s 3 years from now

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/10/2018 at 15:50

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I actually edited the comment and said that Avalons are much cheaper (16 17k vs 24k for the K900) so K900 is too expensive imo

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 04/10/2018 at 15:57

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I like the idea of the extra 150hp, but yeah, the Avalon is probably an even better value.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/10/2018 at 15:57

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This car is almost unknown outside of Automotive sites/Forums. Ask “non-enthusiast” people who research about cars from a consumer perspective, and even they go “The Kia K wat?” This occupies the invisible car realm along with the Hyundai Azera, Kia Cadenza, Lincoln MKZ, MKS, Buick Verano, LaCrosse,Infiniti Q70

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/10/2018 at 15:58

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I’d say it’s far less known than even those option.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/10/2018 at 16:02

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These are fantastic used options for someone who doesn’t care/need AWD and spends a lot of time sitting in their car. It’s a lot nicer than an Avalon.

The back seat is pretty damn nice too (and I hear even nicer in the new one!).

Quadradeuce > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/10/2018 at 16:06

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Apart of the V8, the current Buick Lacrosse is the value to beat for comfy highway cruiser. Low $20s gets you a 2017 with low miles. It’s insane. You can even get the Premium trim level with the massage seats for upper $20s. By the time it’s 3 years old it will be in the lower teens.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=478997817

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/10/2018 at 16:36

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As you mentioned with the Lexus LS, the K900 would be a good bit newer. A quick search shows that for a Lexus LS460 with those miles and that price would be a 2011 at best, meaning it’s 7 years old, not 3. And with my dads experience with KIA and my mom’s boss’s experience with the Equus, I’d definitely consider one. Although I think I’d rather have the Hyundai Equus Ultimate with its massaging seats.

Chariotoflove > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/10/2018 at 17:04

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Or they like the styling or the ride. The only one I never understand from a Jalop perspective is the badge cachet consideration. It kind of surprises me the number of times I hear that here.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Chariotoflove 04/10/2018 at 18:58

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It plays a factor for me. All things being equal I’d just as soon have a luxury badge, or at very least have something that says “Genesis” over something that says “Hyundai”.

Chariotoflove > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/10/2018 at 19:14

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Okay, why? I like the Genesis badge simply because it looks better than the Hyundai H. I also understand going for something that looks and feels more luxurious. For instance, I was looking at an E class that I liked a lot, but for the exact same price, the interior of the K900 I got actually felt nicer and had more visual appeal with the two-tone treatment and accent stitching. I like the exterior of the E class a little better, and had it had the right colors and superior materials, I might have bought it.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Chariotoflove 04/10/2018 at 19:21

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A number of reasons. I like a name with some heritage and some class behind it, for one. And yes, to a degree maybe I’m insecure, but I like the idea of a car that say “SM70 is doing well for himself” (in the future, that is, when I’m a functioning adult with a job). I know this goes against everything we enthusiasts are supposed to believe and probably makes me vapid and shallow, but I want a car with that curb presence and image of a luxury brand like a Jaguar, BMW, Audi, Range Rover, etc. Even if nobody else does give a shit, it makes me feel better.

Chariotoflove > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/10/2018 at 19:23

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I can tell you when you press the go pedal, the growl and leap you get feels pretty aggressive.

Chariotoflove > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 04/10/2018 at 19:30

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That car came from the Kia dealership near my house and where I get my service.

Chariotoflove > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/10/2018 at 20:08

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I don’t think it’s vapid and shallow. Please forgive me for implying that. I do understand the heritage thing. For me, it’s Jaguar especially and Maserati. Having a connection to that is cool and had me shopping Gran Cabrios even though that was definitely not a value proposition. For me, Lexus doesn’t do that, but for some people I know it does. That definitely taps into the enthusiast vein.

I kind of feel that the disconnect from their heritage is part of what ails Cadillac now. In trying to out-BMW BMW, they’ve lost the connection to what it once meant to drive a Cadillac.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Chariotoflove 04/10/2018 at 21:27

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You weren’t implying it at all, it’s an actual thing I know about myself. I was talking with one of my clergy lately and discussed quite a bit that I get an undue amount of satisfaction from having fancy material possessions.

Cadillac definitely tarnished its heritage quite a bit over the last few decades so I’m glad to see them working hard to regain it.