"facw" (facw)
03/23/2018 at 09:37 • Filed to: Uber, Uber death, Car Crashes, Crash
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"facw" (facw)
03/23/2018 at 09:37 • Filed to: Uber, Uber death, Car Crashes, Crash | 9
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So that actual crash has been discussed plenty. For the record, my opinion is that it was clearly the pedestrian’s fault, but that either the car or the safety driver should have been able to prevent the crash if they were working as intended. However, that’s not what I’m here to talk about. I’m here to talk about this:
This is where the crash occurred, the woman was crossing from around where the turn arrows are over to the other side of the street. So the question I have is who the hell builds a giant X-shaped sidewalk in a median, and provides no safe means of crossing to/from it? It has signs where the X meets the road telling you to cross at the light, but no signs if you are crossing from the X (presumably because you are not supposed to be there). Here’s a view from the street (looking in towards where she was coming from):
It seems fundamentally very weird to build this thing that looks like it should be walked on and then tell people not to walk on it. It’s quite possible that if it weren’t there, the woman never would have tried to cross here in the first place.
smobgirl
> facw
03/23/2018 at 09:55 |
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I thought it was remnants of previous road construction - when they shut down an entire side of the road and turn the other side into a temporary two-way stretch. Otherwise...yeah, no idea why that would be there.
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facw
> smobgirl
03/23/2018 at 09:58 |
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I was wondering if that could be the case as well. It’s clearly something that was built for aesthetic purposes, rather than to be driven on, but with the shape, it might have been a spot where they had a switch over for pacing work, and then wanted to cover up that “scar” on the ground with something more attractive.
Ash78, voting early and often
> facw
03/23/2018 at 09:59 |
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Is it really a sidewalk, though? Or is it more of an aesthetic thing? Emergency vehicle crossover point? Either way, I still wonder if a human driver with proper “predictive instincts” wouldn’t have been prepared for this kind of thing. I feel like predicting people’s fuckups is almost the entirety of driving safety.
I have no idea about the X, but can’t account for the infrastructure norms in AZ. Half the people there have cinder block walls in their front yards, even in nice neighborhoods, which would be hilariously redneck in 90% of the country.
Urambo Tauro
> facw
03/23/2018 at 10:00 |
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That “X” is baffling to me. It makes no sense at all. It doesn’t connect to any sidewalks or crosswalks, and is even accompanied by signs prohibiting pedestrian traffic. It’s clearly not for vehicular traffic either, so why did they go to all the trouble of building it? It even has a street lamp hanging over the middle of it!
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facw
> Ash78, voting early and often
03/23/2018 at 10:03 |
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With the curb (and signs in the way), it doesn’t seem like it can be for vehicles, so I think it must be intended as an aesthetic thing, but that aesthetic seems to be “unreachable paths through a dry garden”.
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Ash78, voting early and often
> facw
03/23/2018 at 10:05 |
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Unreachable Paths Through a Dry Garden could be the state motto.
PartyPooper2012
> Ash78, voting early and often
03/23/2018 at 10:07 |
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or a shitty porno
Rico
> facw
03/23/2018 at 10:09 |
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I am sorry the woman died I believe this was her own fault. It’s pitch black, there are no other cars in the road except for this huge Volvo SUV with bright ass headlights heading right towards her from a long distance away. Anyone could easily see those Thor Hammer lights in pitch black darkness and she didn’t bother to even look and wait until the car passed.
I’ve watch the video and had she simply STOPPED WALKING as the huge SUV with bright headlights was coming down the road she would be alive. This wasn’t a child running into the street to chase a ball, this was an adult who has been taught to look both ways before crossing and chose not to.
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Ash78, voting early and often
> PartyPooper2012
03/23/2018 at 10:10 |
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Ewww, elderporn
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facw
> Rico
03/23/2018 at 10:13 |
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And I said as much. But that doesn’t mean we can’t look at other factors beyond her terrible decision making, or factors that led to her bad decision making.
Long-Voyager
> Rico
03/23/2018 at 10:20 |
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As others have pointed out who live in this area:
1. This area is not pitch black like the video shows, it is actually very well lit, meaning she should have been able to be seen long before.
2. No action was taken to avoid her. A quick jab on the brakes could have easily turned this from a dead woman to a woman who needed to clean her shorts.
I’m not saying she wasn’t at fault, but given all the evidence (not just a shit quality video and a Police statement), this death was clearly avoidable.
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Urambo Tauro
> facw
03/23/2018 at 10:21 |
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The shape looks like it could have served as a temporary detour at one point. But why put so much money into it? The paving stones, the street lamp in the middle... They could have just covered up the old detour with gravel and a few cheap bushes, and it would have blended in just fine with the rest of the median.
WRXforScience
> Urambo Tauro
03/23/2018 at 10:23 |
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This new information about the “X” not a walkway, walkway looks like a huge contributing factor to the crash.
It looks like something that was specifically designed to funnel pedestrians into traffic and then blame them for not reading the signs.
Horrid urban planning at its finest.
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Urambo Tauro
> WRXforScience
03/23/2018 at 10:26 |
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Between the nice paving stones and the street lamp in the middle, that’s an awful lot of money to spend on entrapment...
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WRXforScience
> Urambo Tauro
03/23/2018 at 10:37 |
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They made sure to plant tall grasses and trees to try to block the view of anyone in the trap and to keep the victims from seeing the oncoming traffic. A truly maleficent design.
Liam Farrell
> Long-Voyager
03/23/2018 at 10:40 |
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Every death is avoidable, but it was almost completely her fault; She walked out in front of a moving vehicle. Yes, Uber is partly to blame for not having a second passenger to monitor data in a completely new type of vehicle. I think we have to wait to see if the driver was on the phone or monitoring data to see who is to blame on their side. But still I think that the women is mostly to blame for crossing a street illegally, with an unlit bike and not looking before crossing right in front of a moving vehicle.
nerd_racing
> facw
03/23/2018 at 10:48 |
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What if the woman wanted to get hit by a car?
nermal
> nerd_racing
03/23/2018 at 11:11 |
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Quit victim blaming. This is clearly the start of the Robot Uprising. The first car drew the short straw and had to sacrifice itself for testing.
Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
> Rico
03/23/2018 at 11:18 |
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Someone did the math, and the math says the car couldn’t have stopped.
themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
> Ash78, voting early and often
03/23/2018 at 11:25 |
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Or tease and denial porn. Or it’s a porn where you think sexytimes will happen, but nothing happens. It’s just a model sitting there. Ignoring the camera.
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nerd_racing
> nermal
03/23/2018 at 11:34 |
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The cloud. Clouds are in the sky... and the cloud is connected to the internet... SKYNET CONFIRMED!
Honestly though, does anyone know the statistics for vehicular suicide in this country?
DipodomysDeserti
> Liam Farrell
03/23/2018 at 11:52 |
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We have unlit crosswalks in Arizona. Regardless of who is at fault here, if the vehicle can’t avoid these types of collisions, it should be driving around here.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Long-Voyager
03/23/2018 at 11:54 |
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Also, this area has lots of foot and bike traffic. There’s a homeless encampment right on the corner, so there are always people crossing the street. This is also the street that leads to the main party block of the second largest university in the country.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/23/2018 at 12:00 |
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Incorrect. Let’s not spread false information. Pretty much every expert is in agreement that the vehicle should have seen her with plenty of time to stop.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-uber-self-driving-death-20180321-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-uber-death-video-20180321-story.html
As far as whether a human could react in time, the speed limit on that street is 35-40 mph. If you can’t avoid a slow moving object on a well lit street with modern headlights while traveling 35-40 mph...you probably shouldn’t be driving at night. Judging reaction time based on a grainy video is a bad idea.
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Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
> DipodomysDeserti
03/23/2018 at 12:09 |
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It wasn’t based off reaction time, it was based off of speed and distance.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/23/2018 at 12:10 |
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What are you talking about? Reaction time is based off speed and distance.
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Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
> DipodomysDeserti
03/23/2018 at 12:12 |
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How far the car needs to stop based off of the speed limit and the distance of the first moment the victim appears.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/23/2018 at 12:14 |
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How soon the victim appears in a grainy video is irrelevant. Read the articles. Also, the vehicle uses sensors that don’t need visible light in order to detect objects.
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Long-Voyager
> Liam Farrell
03/23/2018 at 12:14 |
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You missed one vital part:
I’m not saying she wasn’t at fault, but given all the evidence (not just a shit quality video and a Police statement), this death was clearly avoidable.
Why get stuck on who’s to blame? Had the vehicle or it’s driver taken some action, this woman would still be alive and this wouldn’t even be a story.
The fact is neither the vehicle nor the driver took action to avoid a pedestrian crossing a well lit street, period.
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Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
> DipodomysDeserti
03/23/2018 at 12:15 |
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https://reddit.com/r/videos/comments/86756p/_/dw2xqrw/?context=1
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DipodomysDeserti
> Ash78, voting early and often
03/23/2018 at 12:16 |
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I have actually had quite a few coyotes run out in front of my vehicle in this area.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/23/2018 at 12:18 |
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Ahhh yes, “Little Froto”, an expert from Reddit...
Are you serious? What the actual fuck is wrong with people.
E92M3
> Rico
03/23/2018 at 12:55 |
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Agreed, this was natural selection. No disrepect to the woman, I’m still sorry she died. We all make mistakes sometimes, and unfortunately sometimes they are fatal.
ranwhenparked
> facw
03/23/2018 at 13:42 |
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What’s on the other side of the road? Looks like a vacant lot. Just wondering if maybe the plan was to have two related developments on either side, and the “X” would have made sense in context to link the properties on both sides, but, maybe one wasn’t built and the pedestrian crossing design wasn’t fully implemented.
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facw
> ranwhenparked
03/23/2018 at 13:59 |
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Not too much going on:
The building on the left is a theater, while the right is a whole lot of nothing. I hope Google Maps never sends anyone on that “shortcut” though...
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nermal
> nerd_racing
03/23/2018 at 14:45 |
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I reckon that vehicular suicide is difficult to track, if it is successful. You occasionally read stories about people jumping in front of trains, but not so much cars / trucks / buses / etc.
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ranwhenparked
> facw
03/23/2018 at 15:33 |
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It looks like one part of the X sort of lines up with part of the theater’s plaza. I do kind of wonder if there was supposed to be something complementary built across the highway at one time.
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Liam Farrell
> Long-Voyager
03/23/2018 at 21:21 |
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Yes, I agree. That’s why I said it would be vital to see if the driver was looking at data or their phone. The car should have definitely done something, and I’m pretty sure the stock Volvo system would stop the car.
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Liam Farrell
> DipodomysDeserti
03/23/2018 at 21:24 |
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Yes definitely, It’s vital if the driver was looking at data or their phone. I wouldn’t be surprised if Uber isn’t allowed to test their equipment there anymore. The car should have had a second passenger, which almost every other company does. I think that the stock Volvo system would have stopped the car.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Liam Farrell
03/23/2018 at 21:28 |
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Our governor already said this won’t affect anything. He’s a big “corporations first” kind of guy.
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Liam Farrell
> DipodomysDeserti
03/24/2018 at 19:33 |
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That’s not good, the safety of their constituents should be their foremost concern