So... You expect me to pay 40,000 euros for an Abarth Fiata?

"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer) 02/28/2018 at 21:00 • Filed to: None

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I’ve sat in a Fiata and I know two things from that experience:

1. My 188cm frame is not wanting to fit in it, and after driving 2000km in a similarly sized 1997 SLK I know I don’t want to have my legs almost againts the dash all the fucking time.

2. I fucking love the Fiata and I wished I fit in one... or that it was sold here in Mexico... turbo for the win!

3.The 160hp miata with the sport package is 31,000 euros in Spain; only 10hp shy of the abarth and 9,000 euros cheaper!

4. Though I understand that this Fiata is sold in the Spanish market (read: taxed to hell and back!) 40,000 euros is around 8,000 euros more than what we paid for our Kia Stinger, a bigger, faster car.

I’ve been on the Kia website for Spain:

1. Oh god is socialism expensive: a Kia Stinger alike mine is 57,000 euros in Spain. *Cross compares other cars* Oh wait I’m wrong.

2. No idea why it’s so dirt cheap here because other cars certainly do not follow that trend. Want a BMW i3? well, it will cost you about 38,000 euros in Spain, and around 500 Euros less in Mexico.... sure it’s a saving, but it’s not as big as the saving on the Stinger which I suspect is artificially marked up in Spain for reasons that WobblesTheMind has explained professionally many times.

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random001 > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 21:09

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First of all, stop complaining, shorty.

Second of all, it may only be 10 HP, but god dammit, it has 36 ft lbs of torque. Why does no one ever look at that? It has nearly 25 % more torque. Come on, man! (As my three year old son would say)

Third, comparing the Stinger to the 124/Miata? What?

Fourth, LISTS!

Spanfeller is a twat > random001 02/28/2018 at 21:15

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are those 36lb-ft worth 9000 euros?

I brought up the stinger because it surprised me how much more expensive that Fiat is. If the Fiat was a luxury car, say a Cayman, I’d understand a very high price... but a 170hp tiny sports car shouldn’t be 40k! 40K for the base version I might add!

random001 > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 21:21

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Given that the Abarth isn’t a base model 124....????

So it’s the equivalent to the Grand Touring Miata, top of the line. So you’re comparing a base level Miata, which is $5000 less than a grand touring, to a top level 124, which is $4000 more than a base 124. You’re also using Euros, which are known to be funny money, anyway...

Spanfeller is a twat > random001 02/28/2018 at 21:25

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Oh, small miss understanding: its the bare bones abarth, you can get like 4000 euros of options

Euros are wierd and heavy...

Svend > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 21:26

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If you order the same car in the U.K.* it’s 33,000 Euros for the auto and manuals are 36,000 Euros.

The Kia Stinger is 45,685 Euros in the U.K.

Yes, you can order LHD cars in the U.K.

and these are prices (the prices are inclusive of all taxes and fees) before you’ve even negotiated a discount.

random001 > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 21:27

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Once again, I’m just messing with you.

Except for the Euros part. That shit is whack.

AestheticsInMotion > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 21:29

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For 9000 euros you could buy a reputable turbo kit taking you anywhere between OEM levels of engine life with a bit more power, to crazy I’m-going-to-need-a-new-transmission levels of boost AND upgrade brakes and suspension. Including the installation

Spanfeller is a twat > Svend 02/28/2018 at 21:31

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I guess that if the Abarth is made in Hiroshima,Japan, its a thing of Spainnot having an FTA with Japan...

Spanfeller is a twat > random001 02/28/2018 at 21:32

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Remember I’m like judah from Bojack Horseman.

Spanfeller is a twat > AestheticsInMotion 02/28/2018 at 21:33

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9000 Euros is enough for

“Fuck it, I’m gettng a tremec in there”

Maxima Speed > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 21:34

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Obligatory, “I’m a Murican! I want ma measurements in murican! Not youropean!”

Milky > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 21:35

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*Goes to google*

What are you complaining about? I’m 6'1" or 2" and fit perfectly fine in my Miata or Crossfire(SLK).

The Miata seats are a lot more comfy btw. Crossfire had some hard ass foam ... for your ass.

AestheticsInMotion > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 21:35

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https://shop.quaife.co.uk/60g-6-speed-in-line-rwd-sequential-helical-gearbox-1888

Spanfeller is a twat > Milky 02/28/2018 at 21:36

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The SLK has heated seats, yo. Those be comfy.

I honestly didn’t fit when I sat on it... Perhaps I’m wierd and I have unreasonably long legs...

Spanfeller is a twat > Maxima Speed 02/28/2018 at 21:37

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Surprisingly, only one smart unit to stupid unit conversion was made as of now...

Spanfeller is a twat > AestheticsInMotion 02/28/2018 at 21:38

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*gazes in awe*

Milky > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 21:41

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I do miss having a hot butt, but that doesn’t mean the foam is soft.

My ex actually complained about the seats and eventually sat on a pillow for road trips. Lol, she complained a lot.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 21:42

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Exact same boat. I’m 6’3” and I don’t stand a chance driving a Fiata :(

No telescopic wheel??? Fuck you, Fiata.

Spanfeller is a twat > Milky 02/28/2018 at 21:44

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My sister complained zero times on our road trip from Coruña to Lourdes, she had the seats on full heating when it rained, and when we had the too down, she’d cover her face and rest againts the windowsil as I played foo fighters on a cheap Bluetooth speaker.

Shame the car is an auto... Otherwise it would’ve been great, and it also loves overheating.

Spanfeller is a twat > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 02/28/2018 at 21:46

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I would sometimes mockingly drive the slk looking from above the windshield frame...

But yeah, one of my biggest concerns when it comes to cars is “will I fit with someone behind me?”

Svend > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 21:47

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Each country has their own tax system and Spain will get the cars presumably for the same price that the other E.U. states pay.

random001 > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 21:49

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I don’t know what that means.

Spanfeller is a twat > Svend 02/28/2018 at 21:50

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Is Britain already officially out of the EU?

Spanfeller is a twat > random001 02/28/2018 at 21:50

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Watch bojack horseman

Profit.

Svend > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 21:58

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No, not till at least April 2019 and even then there might me a two year transition so maybe 2021.

It’s an unknown. Countries have joined but nobody has ever left before so it’s new to everybody

Spanfeller is a twat > Svend 02/28/2018 at 22:02

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To me it wasn’t a good decision, but I can’t speak about it with detail.

Then I can’t understand why the Fiata is so much cheaper in england.. if it is still part of the EU

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 22:02

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Well, I did have 4 people in the 968 for a 30 mile round trip. OK, the windshield header was close to my forehead and the steering wheel was in my chest and it felt like I had to reach back to shift, but we all fit. Sort of...

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 22:14

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Drove a Fiata at one of the auto shows in Seattle.

Shit’s tight, and I’m 6'2". :c Guess I have better luck in a Toyobaru...

Milky > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 22:17

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Yea, the ‘ol 5 speed isn’t great. Still really liked that car. But I like the more comfortable Miata more. ;)

Svend > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 22:38

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It wasn’t my decision, I voted remain. It was misold to the electorate by both sides. Many that voted leave voted out of ignorance and in fact the highest percentage were over 50s (like they were going to ‘suffer’ the E.U.much longer at their age anyway). Yes it would be nice to put the brakes on it and go back to normal and laugh about it later on in life and put it down as a bad event but the people have spoken and that’s how politics goes.

I mean, trump is in the Whitehouse and he didn’t even get a majority vote.

As I say, each country has it’s own taxes and how much a car would cost. Ours are inclusive of taxes and registration fees, Spain may not I’m not sure, but then they may have local taxes like the U.S. which the U.K. doesn’t have, it may be cheaper to insure, the emissions rate might already be factored in with the price, etc...

Non Eurozone state.

In Norway the Stinger is NOK 1,049,000 = 108,916 Euros,

Eurozone states.

In Italy the Stinger is 55,000 Euros,

In Ireland the Stinger is 66,894 Euros,

In Portugal the Stinger is 79,350 Euros (actually down from 87,350 Euros).

In France the Stinger is 59,900 Euros.

Spanfeller is a twat > Svend 02/28/2018 at 22:46

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Consider all the mess around Brexit and the low turnout, I think it would’ve been reasonable to have another vote. But that ship sailed long ago...

Taxes are a pain in the ass to understand... But I think I’d rather pay 108,000 euros and live like a Norwegian lives than 32,000... Socialism is expensive but it’s also good at things like good roads and healthcare and not having 50% of your population under the poverty line...

Svend > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 23:01

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Unfortunately that proviso wasn’t put in place prior to the vote. It is what it is, we just need to try and make the best of it.

To be fair and we’ve had our issues with Spain, mainly about Gibraltar, but Spain isn’t a bad place to live by any means. Each country is having it’s issues after the 2008 recession and how it’s trying to deal with it’s debt to stave off happening again. Which has lead to increased taxes and loss of jobs. Both Norway and Spain are Social-Democratic, as are most E.U. countries, Japan, Canada and most of Asia.

Spanfeller is a twat > Svend 02/28/2018 at 23:11

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I guess you guys just went forward with it... to be honest (and this is from the perspective of a Mexican with ties to the most conservative part of Spain) it surprised me that after months of unrest and after that idiot faced buffoon Nigel Farage admitted that the NHS funding thing was crap you guys continued with it. I guess that the EU was already mounting pressure at ya’ll because of other membership challenges. To me its all a great shame, I like the EU, for as failed as it is it also united europe in an amazing way.


Half of my family lives in Spain, and something strongly suggests to me that if Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador wins the elections here, it will turn into my entire family living in Spain. I personally wouldn’t mind living in Santiago de Compostela with access to my SLK230K and good public transport and university,(Admittedly, I wouldn’t use a lot it to the tune of perhaps not insuring it during the entire winter). I really like the university of Santiago!

JR1 > Spanfeller is a twat 02/28/2018 at 23:18

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Cool car way over priced. Just curious how much does a base V8 Mustang cost there?

Spanfeller is a twat > JR1 02/28/2018 at 23:20

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A million Billion Socialist European Currency Units.

I kid. A base Mustang GT costs 47,000 euros in Spain

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 02/28/2018 at 23:24

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I’m 6' and even with the wheel adjusted up all the way my leg still hit the rim when shifting.

Svart Smart, traded in his Smart > Spanfeller is a twat 03/01/2018 at 00:32

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I’m 1.93m tall and I think I would have trouble fitting inside safely and comfortably. I would like to rent a Miata someday and find out for sure.

Out, but with a W - has found the answer > Spanfeller is a twat 03/01/2018 at 02:05

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I test drove the Abarth 124 and the 2.0l MX-5 back to back last weekend, and I didn’t really like the Abarth. It’s annoyingly loud. There’s no real engine note, it’s just exhaust boom all the time. I was also surprised by how they managed to make the engine feel so different than the one in the 595: where the 595 feels like an overly enthusiastic puppy, the 124 left me wanting.

The MX-5 on the other hand is a major case of want.

duurtlang > Spanfeller is a twat 03/01/2018 at 04:32

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Prices in Europe have taxes (like VAT) included. Now I don’t know anything about specific taxes in Spain, but I guess the reason why a car like the Stinger is relatively expensive while the BMW i3 is not is related to emissions or gas guzzling.

In my native the Netherlands a Kia Stinger 2.0L starts at €67k (including €25k CO2/gas guzzler tax), the 3.3L at €99k (€50k CO2/gas guzzler tax) and the 2.2L diesel at €59k (€16k CO2/gas guzzler tax). BMW i3? €32k (€0 CO2/gas guzzler tax). All prices are also including VAT.

It’s a system designed so manufacturers are driven to develop more fuel efficient cars. If you car is thirstier than the one from the competition, not only will the consumer pay more for fuel, the car itself will be priced uncompetitively and thus will not sell. It’s a bit draconian in the Netherlands (and the Stinger is a horrible example for a commuter vehicle), but it does work.

random001 > Spanfeller is a twat 03/01/2018 at 06:53

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I had to look that up. I had no idea.

JR1 > Spanfeller is a twat 03/01/2018 at 10:25

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Dang! That is high!