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"pip bip - choose Corrour" (hhgttg69) 10/26/2018 at 05:57 • Filed to: hour rule, Ligier, GTO

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Ligier GTO - top speed 28mph, rocket ship!

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Maxima Speed > pip bip - choose Corrour 10/26/2018 at 06:26

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How is that even possible? You have to be trying to make a car that slow. 

pip bip - choose Corrour > Maxima Speed 10/26/2018 at 06:30

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F rench laws.

no licence required if limited to about 500cc of throbbing power

Lombardini 2-cylinder motors are popular in them

BvdV - The Dutch Engineer > Maxima Speed 10/26/2018 at 06:33

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By making it not a car. It’s a ‘voiture sans permis’ a vehicle you can drive without a drivers license or using a moped license depending on the country. Most of them use a tiny diesel engine, which produces a lot of noise but not a lot of go.

Maxima Speed > pip bip - choose Corrour 10/26/2018 at 06:34

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Interesting. 500cc engine is too much power though, 

Cé hé sin > Maxima Speed 10/26/2018 at 06:39

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They did try. It's a VSP, a car that can be driven without a licence in France and some other places. Restricted to 45 kmh and two seats amongst other limitations.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > pip bip - choose Corrour 10/26/2018 at 06:56

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All show. No go. Meanwhile, BMW thinks...they might be onto something.

boredalways > pip bip - choose Corrour 10/26/2018 at 07:34

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So is this Europe's version of the Japanese Kei cars?

pip bip - choose Corrour > boredalways 10/26/2018 at 07:36

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no, just a way people who either too young or have lost their licence from DUI can stay mobile

MGS315 > pip bip - choose Corrour 10/26/2018 at 07:49

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What’s the rules regarding engine swapping one of these? Stick a Hayabusa lump  in there or something (licence required of course).

pip bip - choose Corrour > MGS315 10/26/2018 at 07:51

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no idea, if it stays under 28mph probably ok

otherwise you’ll need a licence

Nom De Plume > pip bip - choose Corrour 10/26/2018 at 08:14

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Looks like a large contingent of oppo needs to move to Europe to construct and race these  cars in a series reaching across the continent.

bhtooefr > Maxima Speed 10/26/2018 at 09:53

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500 cc... and detuned. To the point that it’s only making 4 kW - under 5.4 hp - due to legal limits. (Those 500 cc diesels can push out about 10-12 hp normally.)

bhtooefr > MGS315 10/26/2018 at 09:53

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Has to stay under 50 cc if spark-ignited, under 4 kW otherwise

bhtooefr > boredalways 10/26/2018 at 09:54

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Kei cars are about saving space, whereas this is about reducing danger to everyone else for inexperienced/bad drivers (it’s a four-wheel moped legally).

bhtooefr > pip bip - choose Corrour 10/26/2018 at 09:55

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Nowadays EU regulations  require a moped license to drive these, unless you’re grandfathered in in France by being born before a certain year.

MGS315 > bhtooefr 10/26/2018 at 11:26

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Ah so no option to run a derestricted one on a full licence? No fun.

bhtooefr > MGS315 10/26/2018 at 18:43

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Hmm.

I suspect what would happen is it would lose its type approval as a L6e light quadricycle, but because it was constructed as a vehicle already, it can’t be recertified as a M1 car? But I dunno, I’m not a lawyer, and definitely not that knowledgeable about European laws , maybe there’s a way . (I missed the “licence required” bit.)