A-26 Invader Forced to Land Without Nosegear at Oshkosh | Updated w/ Video

"Jcarr" (jcarr) 07/25/2016 at 20:50 • Filed to: Planelopnik, EAA AirVenture

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Listening to arrivals and departures on ATC tonight when inbound A-26 Invader Silver Dragon called to declare an emergency after getting a nosegear unsafe indication.

According to !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , the crew emerged unharmed, thankfully. Probably not the case for the warbird, though.

I’ve seen this particular Invader in the past (see lede images). Hoping they can get it patched up soon.

OPPOsaurus WRX > Jcarr 07/25/2016 at 20:54

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I’m guessing they stop the props before touching down? Otherwise it looks pretty good.

Jcarr > OPPOsaurus WRX 07/25/2016 at 20:55

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Must have. They don’t look super bent up.

OPPOsaurus WRX > Jcarr 07/25/2016 at 21:41

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I would think an active prop would end up a bit more catastrophic than bent

Jcarr > OPPOsaurus WRX 07/25/2016 at 21:54

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Not really, they usually just bend back.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > OPPOsaurus WRX 07/25/2016 at 22:46

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You can shut down the engine, but the props could still windmill. If the engine is running it’s considered a prop strike, and the engine has to be torn down to check for damage.

TrustMeImAnEngineer, but I'd rather be an InternationalArtThief > Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom 07/25/2016 at 22:56

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I thought a prop strike required a replacement engine usually?

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > TrustMeImAnEngineer, but I'd rather be an InternationalArtThief 07/25/2016 at 22:59

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Not necessarily replacement, but it has to come apart to check for damage. Usually to the crank flange where the prop bolts up to. I know a guy at my home ‘drome who pulled up the gear in his Baron instead of raising the flaps during a touch & go. It slid down the runway on its belly, and ended up with two overhauled engines and two new props plus a re-skinned belly and replacement antennas. All told the plane was down for 6 months. A no-good, very bad day.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > Jcarr 07/25/2016 at 23:00

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Ooof. Sad Corsair is sad.

ttyymmnn > Jcarr 07/25/2016 at 23:08

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Any landing you can walk away from.....

That’ll buff right out. A little bit of Bondo and they’ll be right back in the air. Seriously, though, I wonder how hard it is to find spare parts for an A-26.

Jcarr > ttyymmnn 07/25/2016 at 23:15

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Can't be easy to find. Feel bad for those guys.

bubblestheturtle > OPPOsaurus WRX 07/25/2016 at 23:17

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The props hit. The engines will need to be rebuilt.

ttyymmnn > Jcarr 07/25/2016 at 23:25

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I do too. At least they’re safe.

Frenchlicker > ttyymmnn 07/26/2016 at 08:35

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I get the feeling someone somewhere has the proper drawings to have stuff remade.

Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction > Jcarr 07/26/2016 at 09:51

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Should have had a Nissan Frontier:

(I know it’s fake, but it would be so awesome)

whatisthatsound > OPPOsaurus WRX 07/26/2016 at 11:47

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You can see at the end, those props are completely destroyed and curled in. The ground is what stopped those props.

OPPOsaurus WRX > whatisthatsound 07/26/2016 at 11:50

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the video wasn;t there yesterday

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > Jcarr 07/26/2016 at 12:21

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Man, that sucks, but what a skillful landing. How much of a boss at your job do you have to be to not just flip the thing, or bring it in on its belly?

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > ttyymmnn 07/26/2016 at 12:35

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“Any landing you can walk away from.....” -P.O. Prune

...I’d really like to get hold of a copy of Tee Emm

leicester > Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction 07/26/2016 at 13:39

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Ash78, voting early and often > Jcarr 07/26/2016 at 17:06

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Man, that sucks, but what a great execution — they kept it right down the center. I’m guessing he came in with engines nearly off to minimize prop shrapnel. I know some people try to hit hard on the main gear in the hopes that the nose will lock into place, but that’s tough. If I had to guess, I’d say this thing would be good to fly again after the sheet metal repairs. Fingers crossed for no airframe damage.

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn 07/26/2016 at 17:07

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RockAviation or PlaneHausAZ should have it all in stock. Mostly Chinese knockoffs, but with the price of sheetmetal these days...

Jcarr > Ash78, voting early and often 07/26/2016 at 17:17

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I was listening to the ATC the whole time. They said they heard a pop when the went to lower the gear so something in the nose gear must have broken. From what I hear, if the props are spinning when they hit, it’s pretty much mandatory that the engines get torn down and inspected.

Ash78, voting early and often > Jcarr 07/26/2016 at 17:25

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Only 36 cylinders, how hard could it be?

Flyboy is FAA certified insane > Jcarr 07/26/2016 at 17:51

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Wow that’s barely damaged at all. They’ll fab up some gear doors, replace the props and paint everything again and be good as new. If the props are not spinning when they it (if they hit) the engines do not need to be replaced, only inspected.

Jcarr > Flyboy is FAA certified insane 07/26/2016 at 17:57

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In the video it looks like they were still spinning pretty fast when they hit.

Flyboy is FAA certified insane > Jcarr 07/26/2016 at 18:47

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Sorry, I guess I meant “powered”

If the engine is not forcing them to spin against the ground they won’t need to rebuild all 36 cylinders.

In a Mini; let them mock me as My Mini Countryman is higher than you > ttyymmnn 07/26/2016 at 19:27

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They built a lot of R2800 Radials

Clown Shoe Pilot > ttyymmnn 07/27/2016 at 01:36

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the parts are easy to find, you just look underneath the mountains of cash.

Rock Bottom > Jcarr 07/27/2016 at 18:33

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I guess the good news is that these old warbirds are tough as nails. They were meant to be flown by a bunch of kids and get shot-to-shit and fixed by a bunch of sleep-deprived wrenches and thrown right back into the air! I’m sure it’ll be fine. Another thing in their favor is that even if the engines are trashed, the R-2800 was used in a ton of civil aircraft, so spare parts shouldn’t be too hard to find.

Rock Bottom > Jcarr 07/27/2016 at 18:34

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This picture breaks my heart

f86sabre > Jcarr 07/30/2016 at 10:31

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Looks like they lost the down lock. Sucks. Interesting to see them pop the Windows. I bet that was exciting.

I’ve been around an airliner that did similar. Smells bad when it is all done.

Jcarr > f86sabre 07/30/2016 at 14:03

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I know if I were onboard, something would smell bad afterward.