Forgive Me Father, For I Have Sinned

"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg)
12/28/2016 at 11:05 • Filed to: None

So who do we believe? The kids or the priest/news station? I’m inclined to side with the kids.

DISCUSSION (37)

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/28/2016 at 11:11

The kids, duh. I mean, the priest’s entire livelihood is based upon lies.

bhtooefr > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/28/2016 at 11:15

Not enough camera angles to conclusively say.

I’m inclined to say that the priest slipped and fell while chasing the car.

However, apparently the kid that was “18" was actually 17 according to the story: http://www.10tv.com/article/teens-accused-dragging-pastor-who-tried-stop-their-car

jimz > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/28/2016 at 11:18

I’m inclined to side with the kids.

I’m not.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > bhtooefr
12/28/2016 at 11:20

Sliped and fell I believe. I don’t think he was actually dragged/run over by the car.

bhtooefr > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/28/2016 at 11:21

Yeah, if he was being dragged, he wouldn’t have said it was his parish when they started to pull away, he would’ve said something else.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/28/2016 at 11:23

As someone who has slipped in the winter and broken a femur, it’s certainly possible the priest could have actually been injured and not just faking it. However, without a view outside of the car to see exactly how/if he got injured, it’s tough to make any call on whose fault it is.

That girl was real quick to start making up a story that ignored the drifting around in the parking lot. Not that I think that sliding around in empty parking lots is really a bad thing, I do it myself, but ignoring that in the story indicates she knows they shouldn’t have been doing it.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
12/28/2016 at 11:24

I think it’s possible that he slipped and fell, but the news story is running with the headline that they’re accused of dragging him.

http://www.10tv.com/article/teens-accused-dragging-pastor-who-tried-stop-their-car

Urambo Tauro > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/28/2016 at 11:25

Churches are private property, so the priest probably had the authority to put an end to the hoonage. There’s a chance that he knew the driver’s age and family, which would explain why he demanded a call to the parents instead of telling them to go find another parking lot.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/28/2016 at 11:25

Yeah, I’m guessing the term dragged was used by him and is more likely a result of his grabbing onto the car and not letting go or something (which would make it his own fault).

Sam > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/28/2016 at 11:25

The kids. A priest has no legal jurisdiction to detain them, unless they commited a felony. He can tell them to leave and call the cops if they don’t (or even if they do). The cops would probably just tell them to leave and not come back. They even checked to see if he was alright, which makes it seem like the priest fell down or did something stupid (like holding the door handle as they drove away).

Plus, the kid has a dash cam, so he’s probably at least a decent driver.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Urambo Tauro
12/28/2016 at 11:28

There’s a chance that he knew the driver’s age and family,

I never considered that. I suppose it’s possible, but neither party seemed to give any indication of knowing each other even remotely.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow
12/28/2016 at 11:28

Precisely.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Sam
12/28/2016 at 11:30

The kids. A priest has no legal jurisdiction to detain them, unless they commited a felony. He can tell them to leave and call the cops if they don’t. The cops would probably just tell them to leave and not come back.

So much this. He has every right to tell them to leave or to tell them he’s calling the cops. I do snow donuts in parking lots all the time. If the property owner told me to leave, I’d leave. If the property owner told me to get out and call my parents, I’d still leave.

Sam > bhtooefr
12/28/2016 at 11:31

Another possibility is that the priest was trying to open the door and didn’t let go of the handle as they drove off. Which they would be 100% right in doing. How would they know the guy was even a priest? Maybe he was a car jacker who was very clever.

It’s really hard to say. I just hope they don’t side with the priest “because God” and no other reason. The kids weren’t malicious or damaging anything. They were trespassing at most (only a literal Nazi would give someone a reckless driving ticket for 15mph slides in an empty parking lot).

Urambo Tauro > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/28/2016 at 11:35

Good point. He does say something before “call your parents”, which I thought was the driver’s name at first, but it doesn’t actually sound like the name in the news story. They identify themselves as “priest of this parish” and “18”, which are either reinforcing statements, or introductions indicating of no familiarity after all.

fintail > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/28/2016 at 11:40

Another case where somebody who is old enough to know better didn’t in fact know better. I bet no lesson was learned. I don’t expect a lot from that demographic - at least the dumb kids have age and inexperience as a kinda-excuse.

Sam > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
12/28/2016 at 11:40

#lukewarmtake

fintail > Sam
12/28/2016 at 11:45

The zealous so-called authorities tried to give the kids felonies, but later backpedaled:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/08/06/priest-dragged-sentences.html

Still pretty ridiculous, but a wily boomer fairytale pusher is only going to be seen as a victim in this society.

Sam > jimz
12/28/2016 at 11:48

Think of it from another angle - you’re doing low speed donuts in a parking lot, some guy comes up to you shouting about calling your parents, claiming he’s “the priest of this parish”, and demanding you get out of the car (he’s not a cop and has zero authority over these kids, even if he owns the parking lot. Detaining them is false imprisonment, which is carries a stiffer sentence than trespassing) The man then tries to force your locked door open and you drive away while he does. He either slips and falls, or holds on to the handle and falls.

Would you have gotten out of the car to talk to this man you’ve never met who is berating you in an empty parking lot in the middle of the night? Is it really the kids’ fault? We aren’t excusing their “reckless” behavior, but kids will be kids and they aren’t hurting anyone or themselves in any way at all.

DipodomysDeserti > fintail
12/28/2016 at 11:49

Also, that was pretty tame “hooning” for an empty snowy parking lot.

bhtooefr > Sam
12/28/2016 at 11:51

Except, I’m thinking that what he said doesn’t match up with him having grabbed onto the door handle, timing-wise - he was still trying to assert his authoritah when the car was moving at faster than walking pace.

If he was really being dragged... I’m thinking he would’ve reacted differently.

I really don’t think he was faking an injury - and the car doing ~11 mph when he went down, would be pretty fast for a running speed in those conditions, especially if inappropriate footwear for low-traction running was being used - but I don’t think he was dragged.

LOREM IPSUM > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/28/2016 at 11:52

The priest definitely held onto the car as it pulled away. You can tell because the volume of his voice remained constant even after the car had been moving for a few seconds. Then he started screaming and crying when he fell and the volume of his voice dropped as they moved away from him.

Cars don’t magnetically grab onto people and cause them to be dragged away. If you decide to hold onto a car to prevent it from driving away you deserve to be dragged to your death. Priest, police, whatever.. your moral righteousness does not give you the strength to manually stop 2 tons of vehicle with your bare hands. Call that shit in if need be and try to enjoy the rest of your day... or power trip and suffer the reprocessions.

Also, the female is a caniving little pos.

Sam > fintail
12/28/2016 at 11:59

Wait, really? Someone needs to tell this dude about Jesus’s teachings, for example “turn the other cheek” and “stop being such a geriatric dick you fuckheaded priest, and don’t try to ruin two kid’s lives permanently because you have nothing but shit between your ears.”

I may have made one of those up.

Also, my guess is that he agrees with the entirety of Leviticus. You should give that one a read some time. Holy shit.

fintail > DipodomysDeserti
12/28/2016 at 12:00

They might have hit 15 mph, coulda been killed! Think of the children!

Good excuse to go out and chase a car, slip, mess up your body, and pretend to be a victim.

Sam > bhtooefr
12/28/2016 at 12:02

Oh I bet the injury was real, but at that point it was just an old man taking a tumble in a parking lot. He was probably running in the ice and snow, like a moron.

DipodomysDeserti > fintail
12/28/2016 at 12:04

Priests love thinking of children...

Nothing > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/28/2016 at 12:05

Well, the kids were already lying. The passenger says: “Go, go, go! (then obviously talking on the phone to someone) We stopped in and were sitting in the parish thing because we didn’t want to drive because people were speeding...we were sitting in the parking lot talking on the phone.”

Sorry, I’m not inclined to believe the kids at this point. The priest, however, never should’ve grabbed the car. And the kids never should’ve drove off once someone was potentially injured, regardless of how they felt about the situation. Leaving just made it worse.

fintail > Sam
12/28/2016 at 12:06

The old dope actually doesn’t appear too jerky in the article, at least claiming he didn’t want anything punitive. I suspect it was the egoistic arrogant crime and punishment class who asked for the felonies. Still, no mention that his actions were every bit as dumb as the trespassing kids, if not more so. Practicing what they preach isn’t always followed by those who preach for a living.

I’d want to take the prosecutor / judge, in the zero-accountability world in which most of them live, to task just as much.

Sam > fintail
12/28/2016 at 12:08

There was a great lesson learned by the kids - what you wrote (somebody who is old enough to know better, didn’t in fact know better, so now they’ll be more rebellious) and also “the system is pretty fucked”.

Sam > LOREM IPSUM
12/28/2016 at 12:13

Within my first year of driving I had already learned that a) tell your passengers to STFU when questioned by the popo, as nothing they can possibly say beyond “my dad is chief of police” can do anything to help the situation, and b) it’s sometimes best to be honest if there is no way you’re gonna get out of it otherwise. She’s a little shit and a bad liar.

fintail > Sam
12/28/2016 at 12:14

I cringe at what some in this older generation will do as they get older and more crotchety. They play the victim game well, and still pretty much hold all the cards.

In a way it reminds me of the y’aalquaeda in Oregon who asked for it, got it, then were absolved. The system is a joke.

Sam > fintail
12/28/2016 at 12:23

I wouldn’t blame him for wanting to recoup his deductible, as he wouldn’t have been in an icy parking lot if the kids weren’t there being idiots, but he should have dropped the assault charge in exchange (I don’t think he could influence the fleeing charge though, I’m not a legal expert).

Most church people (parishioners and priests alike) are good, but some seem to forget about everything that Jesus preached. Even as a non-religious person, most of what Jesus is written to have preached was actually super positive. It’s shitty interpretation that has fucked everything.

Chariotoflove > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
12/28/2016 at 12:48

The kids didn’t handle it well, but the priest was being an idiot, and I say this as a practicing catholic who is predisposed to trust a priest. You don’t try to discipline someone else’s kids, and you don’t fight physics by grabbing a moving car.

Summary: kids should have stopped and helped the injured priest, but if the priest hadn’t been acting stupidly, there would have been no injury to report and no crime to prosecute.

fintail > Sam
12/28/2016 at 12:49

I wonder if he had the ability to drop the assault charge, or if those who gain a meal ticket from punishment were able to proceed at their own behest. It’d be interesting to see if the kids completed their still questionable “diversion” and had it all dropped. Sounds like a make-work project for some people. Maybe a continuous one, as I suspect the thoughtless old guy is now emboldened - maybe the personality type who gets out of a car and confronts others in road rage situations. The greybeard set seems well-represented in that per youtube.

Taking things literally/at face value causes problems everywhere. It’d be awesome to see humankind move past superstition, but if anything, it is getting worse again.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > fintail
12/28/2016 at 13:28

If he didn’t want anything punitive, he wouldn’t have called the police in the first place.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Sam
12/28/2016 at 13:32

Plus, the kid has a dash cam, so he’s probably at least a decent driver.

Russia would beg to differ.

comes over to help work on your car and only drinks beer > Sam
12/28/2016 at 14:51

With regard to the statement: “Plus, the kid has a dash cam, so he’s probably at least a decent driver.”

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

It would seem that this dashcam isn’t a wise driver installing it, but a father who wants to keep an eye on his kid.

I like how quickly people have jumped to believe the kids, both of whom were blatantly lying in the video (girl calls cops claiming they were just sitting in the parking lot because they were sooo scared with all the crazy drivers, and boy claimed to be 18, story linked says he’s 17)

Did the priest over-react a bit? *From what we see in the video* it appears so...the first demand should have been to leave. Did he possibly do things that contributed to his injuries? Possibly, I don’t know.

In the end...I think this is another good example of internet outrage journalism whose sole purpose is to set up people to pick sides and say the other is at fault, and then rage at the ‘other side’. It’s perfect, because from the evidence at hand, neither side is squeaky clean. It gets clicks because threads like this link to it, people have to view it and make a judgement, even though there’s not near enough evidence to do so. I did it, I clicked it, but then stopped, too, and decided to not take the bait on picking sides myself. You can’t tell from this video what the whole story is, but the video is perfect for clickbait because it has some information but is not at all definitive. If it was, it wouldn’t make for long discussions and multiple clicks. It’s the game that media outlets are playing now. It’s not actually about news, it’s about how you drive views on all platforms. It’s also why the most bombastic candidate in primary elections gets all the coverage.