Probably unpopular opinion

"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa) 12/16/2016 at 11:30 • Filed to: None

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I love this generation of Cavalier. One of these with a supercharged 3800 would be a great sleeper.

S65 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:34

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I guess

But I’ve always liked these, so....

E90M3 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:34

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I find everything from that era of GM to be appalling, mainly on build quality and interior materials.

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:34

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or swap in a V8/transmisson from a late monte carlo SS.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 12/16/2016 at 11:36

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The torque of the V8 spells a quick death for the 4t65e-HD. Also they’re a bitch to work on/cram inside such a small engine bay.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:36

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And you can’t tune them (I believe). And a 3800 can easily be made to make more power.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > E90M3 12/16/2016 at 11:37

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Eh. It’s an economy car. Caddys from that era are generally pretty good though.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:37

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Wedge Cavalier is best Cavalier.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:37

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I think it would make a terrific sleeper, but that’s got more to do with the fact that I think bland/terrible cars with huge engines are funny.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 12/16/2016 at 11:39

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Yes. Also:

those wheels tho

MonkeePuzzle > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:40

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always thought they had great potential. in stock form they ar ea near miss on a very attractive car. with only a few changes they can look quite good.

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:44

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Ask BigBossyBoss about ‘em. he had one for the longest time. also these are a guilty pleasure of mine now.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:44

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I had to road trip in a pontiac sunfire once. About half the vents were broken, and the turn signal indicator was also broken. This car was 2 years old and had <20,000 miles on it. Nope.

Milky > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:45

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After the time/money involved you could just have a Camaro. Which isn’t shitty. My sister had a cavi (what she called it) of that gen, it was terrible.

not for canada - australian in disguise > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:45

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They didn’t look terrible on the outside or really the inside either, but god the stock steering wheels were awful.

Wish they actually made the Sunfire GXP.

Wacko > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 12/16/2016 at 11:48

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I had that exact car in the late 90s. love the sound, but they all had the antifreeze smell inside.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:49

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Such a hateful car.

I’m 38. From the time I was 16 until about 2 years ago I’ve known at least one person who had a 95-05 J-body. Slow, noisy, and unpleasant all around. However, they were really, really cheap and made for a good teenage beater.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:49

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Yes. Also:

Pontiac Sunbird

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Milky 12/16/2016 at 11:51

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3800 swaps are dead cheap. Go find a wrecked Grand Prix GTP, Park Avenue Ultra, Bonneville SSEi, or Riviera, rip out the whole front subframe and ECU, fab up mounts for the Cavalier.

We put a supercharged 3800 in the back of a Ford Festiva for $30 worth of grinding wheels. Then it sat outside and rained in the intake and now the engine is seized but... whatever.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 12/16/2016 at 11:53

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Pontiac J2000 hatchback. I want one so bad.

CB > Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy 12/16/2016 at 11:55

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I miss the Brapalier.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Milky 12/16/2016 at 11:55

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While I’m not a fan of the Cavalier, the point is SLEEPER. People expect the Camero to go fast.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 12/16/2016 at 11:56

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Needs turbo.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:57

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...it’s an LS. Can be tuned quite easily.

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > CB 12/16/2016 at 11:58

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i remember the day we had to do struts on it. what a day.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 11:59

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It looks like someone put a CRX through a taffy puller.

Chariotoflove > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 12/16/2016 at 12:04

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Drove on of these in high school. It may have been a piece of crap, but any car that got me out on Friday night was as good as a king’s chariot.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 12:08

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Would it be neat if done well? Yes

Would it be a disaster if done by you? Absolutely

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 12/16/2016 at 12:10

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The turbo NA turned out alright :P

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 12:12

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Would still be shit. These things are fucking awful. I’ve known too many people with these spiteful machines. Most were just waiting for it to die so they could get something less shit, but they just keep going laughing at the owner the whole time.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 12:14

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OMG, MID ENGINED FESTIVA!!!!!!

Rykilla303 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 12:35

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...or for simplicity sake, just get one of the factory supercharged Z24 ones. Still only a 4 cyl, but with some minor modding they can be pretty quick.

just-a-scratch > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 12/16/2016 at 13:06

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I used to have that blue Sunbird front clip, hood, and fenders on a red Cavalier. It was better than people expect: not good, but better than expected

Cash Rewards > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 13:29

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Slap a Toyota badge on it and screw with everybody, while you’re at it.

Pyrochazm > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 13:34

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I had one of those. A little older than that-a 99 Z24 but with the same wheels. Wasn’t too terrible. I was young and incredibly stupid and got screwed on financing though.

Milky > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 12/16/2016 at 13:56

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I guess I dont see the appeal, you’re still driving around a cavalier. Now it just has 240-300hp. Cool?

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 14:04

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There’s someone local to me with a turbocharged 2.2 pushing 285 wheel on the 93 octane tune. Relatively quiet exhaust, too.

Jayhawk Jake > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 14:04

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How’s it doing these days? Oh yeah, the owner took off the turbo because the manifold was janky

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Milky 12/16/2016 at 14:10

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THIS COMING FROM THE GUY IN THE CROSSFIRE

And yes. Nobody expects a Crapalier to be quick. It’s cool in exactly the same way as a Cobalt SS, but even better because there’s no badging and no connections with ANYTHING sporty.

TheJWT > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 14:10

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Go nuts.

I stilll need to write up the story behind this picture...

mazda616 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 14:25

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The Cavalier is made fun of a lot for being cheap and shoddily built. Which it is. But they’re stupid simple to work on and maintain and seem to just run on and on no matter how they’re treated. It’s no wonder the Cavalier and its Sunfire brethren are the most popular car of the trailer parks.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > TheJWT 12/16/2016 at 15:17

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flawless

LongbowMkII > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/16/2016 at 15:31

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Pre facelift I’d bite. I wanted one when I was 10.

Milky > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 12/16/2016 at 17:30

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Of course it’s coming from the guy in a crossfire. I put looks first and the Cavi is one of the dowdiest cars. I dislike the 3800 too. 3 point 8 liters, forced induction, 240hp Yay? If you’re trying to be fast there are a lot better ways. Like a cobalt SS motor.

Also brobalt SSs aren’t “cool”.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Milky 12/16/2016 at 18:06

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Cool, no, but awesome yes.

That said if I was going for a Cobalt SS I’d rather have the sedan variant. In white. And debadged.

dogisbadob > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 12/17/2016 at 10:39

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if it’s one of the newer Ecotec cars, a 2.0T swap would be pretty easy

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 12/18/2016 at 19:58

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Not really. Where as a flash and a pulley can get a 100 HP gain out of a 3.8, it takes a bit more to do that with an LS. Plus, some LS’s had AFM, and those required cam swaps to get any more out of.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 12/18/2016 at 21:55

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No, any LS tunable without any difficulties. How much you get out is another matter and entirely dependent on the situation, but they are all tunable.

And on AFM... that doesn’t make tuning impossible. Your gains may be much more limited without serious engine surgery, but you can still make noticeable improvements. Also AFM camshafts are not different... it’s the lifters. They can be pretty sensitive, they don’t like high lift or high RPMs. Or maybe you were thinking of VVT? The VVT versions of the LS did have different camshafts.

Just to be clear, I was talking about computer tuning, not tuning as in in-depth physical modding. The 3800 holds the cards there because it’s forced induction. That said, 100hp extra on a 3800 is just 40hp more than a stock LS4.