What about non diesel VW products?

"EL_ULY" (uly) 09/27/2015 at 21:13 • Filed to: None

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Heck, not just VW. These companies take pride in their engineering right? Bottom line is that they have to follow the rules. Auto enthusiasm and fanboi thoughts cannot get in the way of the law. What other performance enhancing drugs.... err.... softwares do you think these companies are hiding?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > EL_ULY 09/27/2015 at 21:17

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Turbos

pjhusa > EL_ULY 09/27/2015 at 21:18

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They’ve wired Teh VAG LOVE into your brain. Because Matrix

LongbowMkII > EL_ULY 09/27/2015 at 21:19

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I’m sure that most chassis are designed primarily to protect the passengers in the small offset frontal crash while ignoring some other potentially dangerous crashes.

EL_ULY > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/27/2015 at 21:20

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Twin Turbos!

EL_ULY > LongbowMkII 09/27/2015 at 21:21

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What are they not testing yet?

EL_ULY > pjhusa 09/27/2015 at 21:22

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Lol, i love all brands :]

dogisbadob > EL_ULY 09/27/2015 at 21:24

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Probably not necessary, since gas engines aren’t as difficult to meet the emissions standards as diesels are. That’s why most coutnries, most notable Europe, give diesels a higher tolerance and more lenient limits.

Even before the scandal, I wasn’t a VW fan. Their cars aren’t reliable.

Punk_Girl_98 > EL_ULY 09/27/2015 at 21:25

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EcoBoost.. there is something fishy with the numbers they produce.

LongbowMkII > EL_ULY 09/27/2015 at 21:27

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tons of things, and I’m not saying that they should either. But I wouldn’t be shocked if it came out that all the focus of passing these tests ignored a critical weakness somewhere.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > EL_ULY 09/27/2015 at 21:30

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Cell tower tips through the windshield during a tornado?

EL_ULY > LongbowMkII 09/27/2015 at 21:34

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I’m trying to think of some. 3rd row protection from a rear end hit?

EL_ULY > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 09/27/2015 at 21:35

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Yes lol :]

EL_ULY > dogisbadob 09/27/2015 at 21:35

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Cars in general are not reliable. Still, it’s hard to trust anything nowadays

EL_ULY > Punk_Girl_98 09/27/2015 at 21:35

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This!

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Punk_Girl_98 09/27/2015 at 21:36

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Nothing really fishy with the numbers, just lack of understanding on how to achieve the numbers. If you have a slightly heavy foot, you will not achieve them.

dogisbadob > EL_ULY 09/27/2015 at 21:41

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Hi

EL_ULY > dogisbadob 09/27/2015 at 21:46

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Ask a tech

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > EL_ULY 09/27/2015 at 22:18

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How mercedes keeps the M275 (SL65,S65...) environmentally viable is beyond me

LongbowMkII > EL_ULY 09/27/2015 at 22:30

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45’ angle hits aren’t tested afaik.

DogonCrook > LongbowMkII 09/27/2015 at 23:01

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Toyata and Ford both got caught fudging rollover tests. The test used a hydraulic cylinder with a plate on the end to test how far it would crush. They reinforced the specific area where the plate contacted and skimped elsewhere resulting in multiple deaths. I believe they actually would have not been liable if engineers didn’t point it out in emails. That and the fact both withheld the documents during the discovery phase of the lawsuits. To my knowledge they were never fined or broke any laws or regulations.

Vicente Esteve > EL_ULY 09/27/2015 at 23:48

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What do you mean? I am legit intrigued by this.

EL_ULY > V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches 09/28/2015 at 00:01

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Lol that’s true. I kind of know the answer to this but at WOT, all those things are thrown out lol

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Punk_Girl_98 09/28/2015 at 00:13

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THANK YOU!! Finally someone who gets it! ^_^

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 09/28/2015 at 00:14

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Rephrase that as “If you have a slightly not even giving it any gas foot, that’s the only way you will achieve them”. What annoys me is that it’s a good damn light switch with fuel economy and no middle ground.

Sure, the numbers are achievable, but at that point you might as well gotten a Camry because you have to drive like you have a Camry to get those numbers.

EL_ULY > LongbowMkII 09/28/2015 at 00:19

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Oh ree ree...

EL_ULY > Vicente Esteve 09/28/2015 at 00:38

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The quality comes down to context.

Example

Person: Is the GLA 250 a good car?

Enthusiasts: I’m sure they are. Mercedes makes some of the most advanced and highly engineered cars in the world. Let’s ask a tech.

Tech: Welp, the other day we got one in that had an oil light come on. After it was all said and done, we found that in one of the cylinders, a piece of the piston ring chipped off causing there to be a groove in one of the cylinder sleeves. We had to replace the engine.

Person/enthusiasts: Wow, Mercedes lost their way. They used to make quality cars, they they are all crap.

Tech: Well hold in there. This was an isolated incident that has never happened before or since according to Mercedes. The GLA is a good car that has had just minimal growing pains like random radio issues and key/remote things.

This is based on a true story from here at work.

So how do you think of the quality of the GLA?

I promise you that all cars from all brands have that random car that just has all the issues all at once. Also, some cars don’t experience any of the “common issues”.

Unfortunately what happens most of the time is that a loud mouth idiot gets one of these issue cars and speads the word of shit about the make and model of the car to as many people as possible.

Still, I wonder if the manufacturer is not finding too many things, even to us at the dealer level.

I was once working on a Lexus IS-F when they just came out. The car was said to be over heating. After my foreman talked to Japan, he told me to install a new (updated part number) thermostat. After that is was good. The foreman told me, “don’t tell anyone yet, but some of these engines were not washed after their solvent bath at the factory and some of the residue stuck to the thermostats causing them to stick and overheat” Why would the OEM hold secrets? We send Japan pictures and the VIN number.

So, could VW be lying about other regulated things? What about other brands?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/28/2015 at 00:40

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With the exception of some diesels and super high compression gas engines designed for fuel effeciency, that’s pretty much true with any engine. My Dad could average 24 out of our Trailblazer, while I couldn’t break 20. It’s all in the foot with pretty much any car out there, boost just adds more of a reason to sink deeper.

Punk_Girl_98 > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 09/28/2015 at 01:44

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Lol *high five*

LongbowMkII > DogonCrook 09/28/2015 at 06:51

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thats the kind of thing I’m talking about. what if all of the passenger sides are compromised to better absorb impact from the drivers side only test? [/tinfoil]