Hour Rule: Teutonic Tuesday

"Jobjoris" (Jobjoris) 08/18/2015 at 03:41 • Filed to: Hour Rule, Teutonic Teusday, Porsche Panamericana Concept

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Flavien Vidal > Jobjoris 08/18/2015 at 03:47

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Saw it in person last time I went to the Porsche Museum... The Porsche Panamericana. Much cooler than the Panamera if you ask me :)

The amount of rubber in the rear is truly impressive!

Clemsie McKenzie > Jobjoris 08/18/2015 at 04:07

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A part of me finds this amazingly beautiful. The other part says: “WHAT? Are you on acid man?”

Love it.

Jobjoris > Flavien Vidal 08/18/2015 at 04:10

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I used to dislike this one a lot. But then the oddity and that rear rubber hit me. And yes: Way more cool than that Panamera.

Knowing it is in the Porsche Museum makes me want to go there even harder.

Did you ever visit the Porsche Museum in Gmünd as well? It’s way smaller but certainly worth a visit.

Jobjoris > Clemsie McKenzie 08/18/2015 at 04:15

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Might be on acid because I love it. Used to hate it though.

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/18/2015 at 04:34

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I think in a better color, this could still work. Those tires really are huge, though.

Flavien Vidal > Jobjoris 08/18/2015 at 04:40

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No I only went to the main one in Stuttgart. I didn’t even know there was another one in Austria. I mostly go to Germany, but if I end up around there, I’ll definitly take a look!

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/18/2015 at 05:12

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That color is so early ‘90’s... I love it. Used to hate this one though.

Those tires are pretty huge. That’s why they were capable of implementing the Porsche Logo in it’s design!

Krieger (@FSKrieger22) > Jobjoris 08/18/2015 at 06:25

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My first thought was that this was a Rinspeed creation. I wonder what exactly did the designer have in mind for this car.

Jobjoris > Krieger (@FSKrieger22) 08/18/2015 at 06:44

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It’s a Harm Lagaaij design. Of Dutch descent. I’ll ask him if I run into him ;-)

I don’t think it was meant to be some sort of production vehicle and back then I didn’t like it at all. Nowadays: lovely concept!

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/19/2015 at 04:20

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Whoa. Those tires are amazing. I’d never seen that before. That color is the epitome of the early 90’s. I absolutely hate it. I remember all the Fords that were painted that color. They were hideous and you saw them everywhere. Even pickups. And then every sports team had to have uniforms that color. It was the 90’s version of brown or orange in the 70’s.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/19/2015 at 06:24

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I think you’re right. My mother had a Fiat Uno this color early 90’s. That car I used for an epic trip to Rimini (1400kms). On my own. Within 13 hours. To see my girl-of-that-time.

And remember: This was in the pre-navigation-system era!

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/20/2015 at 01:32

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Haha, that sounds epic. But how did she feel when you turned up in an aquamarine Uno?

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/20/2015 at 02:57

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She felt extremely well. I’m not a big guy but certainly lengthier than the average Italian. She her self was 1,78 meters so I bet she didn’t even notice the color of the Most Aquamarine Uno Ever!

Fond memories to that car.

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/20/2015 at 03:15

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Haha. Oh, you mean taller . That was a great car. They were everywhere in those days in Europe, too. A worthy successor to the 500. On my first trip to Germany I was picked up at the airport in one and my friend was completely confused that I was so excited to ride in that little car. She was embarrassed by it and only used it because her 2CV was broken which delighted me even more. It didn’t take long for me to fix the Citroen, but I was still a little sorry to see the Uno go.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/20/2015 at 04:35

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Yeah yeah, taller . In Italy the kinds of cars used to be totally domestic: All you could see was Fiat, Alfa and Lancia. When I worked in Italy it was huge if you drove something else, you must have been pretty cool. So the guy with an Opel was looked up upon. AN OPEL!

But even Italy is flooded by the Germans, French and Japanese. The Polizia drives Subaru for God’s sake!

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/20/2015 at 13:00

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“Lengthier” implied something different about a certain part of your anatomy. Did they have high import tariffs, or did everyone just buy Italian cars because they’re Italian? I’m actually astonished the police drive Subarus, but I guess they’re more reliable and practical than anything Italian. I guess most of Europe back in the day primarily drove domestic cars. Same in America, really, up until the 60’s and 70’s when Beetles and the Japanese started taking over. Only weirdos drove imports.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/20/2015 at 13:44

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The taxes in Italy always were weird. Their VAT was differing with the displacement: everything under 2000cc had 19% VAT, everything above was 38%! That’s why there was a Ferrari 208 GTS Turbo back then but you probably knew that already.

So I wouldn’t be surprised if import tariffs were high. Although with EU-laws being effective back then already I guess it just took a while before the Italians saw there were alternatives.

And I guess you’re right: Nowhere in the world so many Dafs and Volvos 360/440 were sold as here in the Netherlands.

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/21/2015 at 00:32

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Yeah, and cars are a big industry that most countries wanted to protect on their own soil. I guess that’s why a lot of cars were built under license as opposed to being imported.

The only Dafs you really saw outside of the Netherlands in numbers were the trucks. Those made it all over.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/21/2015 at 04:43

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Yeah, because if you buy just all the parts of the car and assemble it your self there’s less tax needed as well (Great Britain)? How do governments come up with all these rules.

We had a nice one as well: the company-van. For normal passenger cars you needed to pay some luxury-tax (as high as 40%!!!) and if you had a car provided to you by your employer you had some income added to your fiscal income as well. Not for the ‘Company-van’ though. But, what is a ‘company van’ (with additional lower road-tax!)? For years it was just a two-seater car with a small flat luggage area. So you could buy a Renault 5 Turbo, remove the backseats, create a flat wooden floor and that tax was returned.

Then suddenly half of the R5 Turbos sold had this van-registration so the government had to do something. Not only a flat luggage-floor was mandatory: no side windows were allowed anymore! But because these taxes were so incredibly high still many owners removed the sidewindows and replaced it with sheetmetal.

So again the government had to do something: Let’s add a minimum-height of the luggage compartment! Then we finally get rid of all these cheapos!

But we’re creative...

And next to such a professional solution there was a lot of these jobs done in your local shed. I had a classmate who created a higher roof for about 20 cms wide from front to back just to meet legislation. Looked like that striped Gremlin.

After all this the government just made EVERYONE with a company-car pay for it in income tax and made the least such a car should be able to carry an amount of cubic inches the size of a stacked Euro-pallet. This led to one more flaw: The cars had become bigger so all crew cabs with 4+ seating were now able to meet requirements. That’s when I bought the F150...

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/21/2015 at 14:49

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Wow, that’s really interesting and amazingly goofy. But, I dig that Volvo thing. It’s a little like the “Chicken Tax” we have here on imported light trucks. That’s why they put those seats in the bed of the Subaru Brat. Since it had 4 seats, it was no longer a truck. They also now ship over small vans with seats in the back which they then remove when they get here to make them cargo vans. Totally ridiculous.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/21/2015 at 16:28

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Oh, and I still forgot one angle: for track-use those rear-seats were a pain in the ass anyway so many of the “Grey license”-“Vans” ended up with roll-cages when it comes to that R5 Turbo!

You recognize the “Van” by looking at the license plate: that used to start with a “B” back then (later on that became a “V”). So let’s remove those rear windows...

And these came in all sorts: black like above, or the color of the body, or even special folie like these to make it appear like tinted glass:

YES: WE DO THIS TO 100K CARS AS WELL!

That Brat is an amazing story...

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/22/2015 at 02:22

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Wow, those are both really cool. So, you’d get them from the dealer with the fake windows? So weird.

Yeah, the Brat was a funny, but sweet car. You’d have to have a death wish to ride in those seats, though.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/22/2015 at 04:06

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Well, the dealer most of the time got the car and brought it to a specialist before delivering the car to the customer. Customers could do the customization themselves afterwards as well (or bring it to that same specialist themselves). It was a complete business over here.

If you did it yourself you could keep all the goodies and after like, 8 years and 4 months you could undo all of this. After that period the 40% tax was “written-off”.

We Dutch are nuts. Really.

I’m sure you rode a Brat like that!

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/23/2015 at 01:49

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Yeah, that’s pretty nutty. 8 years 4 months sounds random. So, the F-150 was the company truck, then. Did you have to have a cap over the cargo bed, or were pickups included?

I did once ride in a Brat jump seat. It was wild. You really had to hang on to the handles because the seats were just bolted to the bed and they were hard plastic, so bouncing around wasn’t fun.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/23/2015 at 11:52

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Nothing random about 8 years and 4 months, you’re not a mathematician clearly (it’s 100 months ;-) )...

I had a bed cover. But that used to be a problem until some other guy already solved this for me by taking it to court: He was just “transporting” the bed-cover ;-) After that lawsuit the police wouldn’t look at it again.

WE WANT PICTURES AND VIDEO OF THAT BRAT-EVENT!

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/23/2015 at 12:59

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I’m not used to things like that being measured in months, but I guess it makes a certain amount of sense.

That’s a very funny technicality. I guess there were a lot of places you had to transport that bed cover. Why would the bed cover be a problem otherwise?

Yeah, no pictures of me in the Brat. It belonged to someone I went to high school with, so that was a long time ago. It was actually the first car with a manual transmission I ever drove.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/23/2015 at 15:30

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Because the bed-cover would prevent you from moving stuff of a certain height you needed to be able to haul in the first place to get the tax-advantages of course!

Funny thing as well: I had an extra piece of “dangling rubber” mounted on the inside near the opening lid. Otherwise I couldn’t reach the open cover at all. I’m not the tallest Dutchie. And that F150 was pretty big.

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/24/2015 at 02:47

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Ah, right. Of course. I guess lying down isn’t the same as hauling it upright.

That’s pretty clever. It’s a good thing you didn’t get an F-250, or 350, or a dually. They can get pretty large. Big American men would tease you.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/24/2015 at 12:39

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After I found out about the existing of the F650 nothing could impress me anymore anyway...

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/25/2015 at 03:50

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Next time you need one of these.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/25/2015 at 07:04

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I tried to import one. But over here you’ll need a special trucking driver’s license so I cancelled it....

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/25/2015 at 14:22

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Too bad. You’d probably have to make some slight adjustments to the garage as well. I’m not sure how your neighbors would have felt with it parked on the street. I imagine you ordered an orange one?

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/25/2015 at 15:37

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Orange FTW, of course!!!

It’s too wide, it won’t fit in through these late 19th century streets anyway...

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/25/2015 at 15:51

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Well, just driving it would widen those streets real quick. I’ve actually seen one here in L.A. I think it was being driven by Ashton Kutcher of all people.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/25/2015 at 16:16

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Hahaha... Ashton was great in that ‘70’s show. And that’s about it ;-)

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/26/2015 at 03:06

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Very true. That was a good show, though.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/26/2015 at 03:30

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I loved it. The way Red Forman is expressing the word Dumbass or starts about kicking someone’s ass: Epic.

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/26/2015 at 04:04

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I’m a big fan of Fez, of course. And Donna was really sexy.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/26/2015 at 06:32

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Fez was great. I can totally imagine a foreign exchange student back then acted like that. Donna, what’s become of her? We all know what happened to Jackie...

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/26/2015 at 13:48

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Donna now plays a lesbian convict on the Netflix show Orange is the New Black. She’s very good on it, but she’s colored that red hair black which I’m not in favor of. Also, that actress is another Scientologist, unfortunately, so I guess she’s crazy. But, from New Jersey, the state where I was born. It’s a conundrum.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/26/2015 at 16:11

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Scientologist? That’s it. How on earth... She seems to be somewhat intelligent???

Conundrum? Jethro Tull!

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/27/2015 at 00:59

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Yeah, I don’t get it. The former occupant of my apartment was apparently a Scieftologist because I still get their magazine in the mail meant for him. It’s called “Celebrity” and mostly has interviews with celebrity Scientologists talking about how great their lives are.

I used to have a girlfriend whose last name was Tull and I would call her “Locomotive Breath.”

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/27/2015 at 03:12

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And their lives are great because they believe a fairytale. Their lives must be awesome. Did you sent me the DVD yet? If not add the magazine, I’m getting curious!

If my last name was Tull there would be only one name I’d gave all my children. Jethro. Did miss Tull play the flute as well? One movie-scene that kicked me right back to Ian Anderson’s greatness was of course Will Ferrell’s flute solo in Ron Burgundy: Anchorman

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/28/2015 at 01:27

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I didn’t save the last issue I got, but I’ll send it along next time it comes. I don’t know how often they’re published. What’s weird is that I’ve lived here 15 years and it’s only been coming the past couple.

She wasn’t really too familiar with the works of Jethro outside of Aqualung. Man, I love that movie. That scene is a classic. It’s funny how that was an era when a flute could rock. Jethro Tull even won a Best Heavy Metal Grammy once.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/28/2015 at 04:17

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15 years in one place? WHOOOHA! Then it must truly be an epic place you live in.

Another Dutch band, you might have heard of, that uses the “jazz flute” was Focus with Thijs van Leer on the flute and Jan Akkerman on the guitar. Jan was quoted best guitarist in the world in those days. Most epic song, without flute but with jodeling was...

Jonee > Jobjoris 08/28/2015 at 15:41

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My parents call my place “the dump.” I like the neighborhood and I’m too lazy to move is really why I’ve been here so long.

Hocus Pocus by Focus. Epic stuff. That song is a long time favorite of mine. Jan Akkerman is a killer guitar player. I’m a big fan of that era of hard rock. I have a nicely worn copy of Moving Waves on vinyl. And I love how fast they’re playing that song in that clip.

Jobjoris > Jonee 08/28/2015 at 17:09

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15 years successfull in creating movies and other epic stuff. It’s time to move on Herr Fulda.

Hocus Pocus is epic. Jan is epic, saw him a few times on stage. Thijs van Leer is great as well, lives near my parents. In a small chateau.

I got Moving Waves as well on vinyl, although it was named Focus II over here. I should really get it out of storage.