Sometimes I'm reminded why I like it so much here.

"TheOnelectronic" (theoneelectronic) 08/15/2015 at 20:57 • Filed to: None

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The mistake I made was to point out that most “old school” muscle cars would be considered somewhat slow and wallowy if they were produced today, and I pointed this out on a “non-car” general internet website. So much ignorance and salt.

“MY MUSTANG WILL BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF YOUR LITTLE JAP PIECE OF SHIT,” etc...

Which is funny because I was comparing them to the current Ecoboost mustang.

One guy keeps pointing out that it’s only faster because it’s a twin turbo V6 which, you know, at least he’s in the neighborhood, but he’s yet to figure out the ‘stang uses the 4 despite my many protestations to that effect.

We’ve also got the “It’s not about power, it’s about character!” which I do think is valid, but Turbo 4’s and big V8’s have remarkably similar torque curves these days.

This is why I like it here; there’s little to none of the typical “Brand A makes the best god damn cars ever! Brand B is only for queers and girls!” bullshit that you find elsewhere on the internet (not going to lie, it’s the worst with American brands. And Volkswagen. And Honda. And...)

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 21:11

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I heard Honda

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 21:15

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I made the point that the Subaru Outback is made in the U.S. and the Camaro is made in Canada on r/Murica once, and one user searched my post history and started harassing me because I drive Jap crap. Never again.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 21:21

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SUBARU IS GOD AND MITSUBISHI IS SHITE.

Tom McParland > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 21:22

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Bro...but when my VTEC kicks in your V8 doesn’t stand a chance.

Oh wait...I’m supposed to be a VW bro...#hellaflush4lyfe!

TheOnelectronic > Tom McParland 08/15/2015 at 21:24

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It’s VeeDub. God, stop being so embarassing! And you’re supposed to talk about how your car is better because it’s got German engineering and reliability! Ignore those people laughing in the back! They’re just jealous! “Irony” is probably a word they made up anyway!

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 21:24

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Yeah, I’ve even stopped reading the comments on like Car and Driver and Motor Trend. Most are so ignorant and troll-happy that it’s painful to even read about 70% of them. Especially since most are just simple stupid things like:

“( insert car company here ) is awesome, ( insert competitor here ) is for gay queers”

“It’s not like the old one, it’s terrible! We live in a day and age where there’s too many nannies and gizmos! It’s all ( insert political figure here ) fault!”

or my favorite “Why doesn’t it have AWD, DCT, CFRP, and CCB? Cuz it sucks!!! FAIL!!!”

I came to the articles and forums to learn and discuss cars and cars things, giving out hatred over someone else’s opinion is weird.

TheOnelectronic > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 08/15/2015 at 21:24

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I’m conflicted, because this is consistent with my automotive worldview.

TheOnelectronic > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 08/15/2015 at 21:25

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I used to read the comments on facebook for one of the big off-road mags (they’re all the same. Literally, I think.)

For a while, it was amusing. Lately it’s just made me sad, so I stopped doing it.

TheOnelectronic > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/15/2015 at 21:43

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I’m so sorry.

TheOnelectronic > Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) 08/15/2015 at 21:43

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#notallhondadrivers

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 21:44

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As in you agree? Or this is what you see regularly?

Sorry if I’m not getting a simple thing, been on the road for 12 hours...

Blondude > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 21:46

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Except for stance. If you mention that you like (or even simply don’t hate) stance on Oppo may god have mercy on your soul.

TheOnelectronic > Blondude 08/15/2015 at 21:47

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While I agree it’s pretty despised here it doesn’t usually get unreasonable.

TheOnelectronic > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 08/15/2015 at 21:48

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Haha, that I agree. I’m a big subaru fanboy and everything I’ve seen leads me to believe that even at their peak, Mitsubishi’s cars were pretty rough.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 21:51

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I hate to say this is pretty much my feeling as well. I respect Mitsubishi as a rival but I wouldn’t pick one over a Subaru.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 08/15/2015 at 21:59

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So... would a gay queer be a straight person?

BaconSandwich is tasty. > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/15/2015 at 22:00

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Yeesh. That’s almost as posting on Jezebel...

Berang > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 22:01

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I sort of want to write a post about how Ralph Nader saved cars from being shitty poorly performing deathtraps just to troll these sorts of people.

Technology has moved on. What was fast in 1969 isn’t that fast now. Everybody still wants to stick to the “emissions and safety killed performance” line that was true 25 years ago. But it’s a different world now.

Blondude > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 22:03

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I has gotten better more recently. There were a few times in the past where someone would post something and all of Oppo would go up in flames.

TheOnelectronic > Blondude 08/15/2015 at 22:08

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I remember the stance wars well...

spazburn > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 22:09

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I’m Queer and a Girl then.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > Blondude 08/15/2015 at 22:11

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I know this is really beside the point and not even a reply to your comment, but... IMO the difference between rice and stance is that you actually see expensive cars dragging along the ground. Nothing trendy about the poors with $25 spoilers because those spoilers aren’t going on expensive cars. I never see anyone chastised for ridiculing rice, and there should be equal standards; people mock useless wings and loud exhausts because they don’t add functionality, but don’t dare patronize those who spend far more to detract from it. Rice is an epidemic while stance is a lifestyle in the same way that people working their asses off—for less than minimum wage in a strange land is an epidemic—while trust fund babies travelling the world and not giving a damn thanks to an estate going towards 0 productivity is a lifestyle.

/endrant
/resist the system man

TheOnelectronic > spazburn 08/15/2015 at 22:12

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You be proud of your Brand B car! Show those A-holes what for!

spazburn > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 22:19

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I am. Just have to get some money. Want a AWD system out of chevy van then not sure the engine transmission combo, (1999 Buick Century). Want Rally Cross/ Auto Cross/ Get over mountains in California when snowing. Putting on Chains Suck.

Makoyouidiot > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 08/15/2015 at 22:21

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I DO SAY SIR, THAT YOU HAVE CROSSED A LINE! HAVE AT YOU!

-a Mitsubishi owner (as of last Monday)

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 22:27

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He then started bragging about his Chevy. Stereotypes are real.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Blondude 08/15/2015 at 22:29

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That’s not as hated as saying you’d rather have the sedan version of a car that is available with a hatch, or say that beige is less boring than silver.

f86sabre > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 22:31

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I agree except for one. The Evo, up to the X, had it over the STi.

NJAnon > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 22:32

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Don’t stray far from the reservation. The nomads out there are ignorant to certain things they do not understand TheOne. :P

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > BaconSandwich is tasty. 08/15/2015 at 22:33

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As much as Gawker media doesn’t believe it, they are slightly worse than Reddit. Except r/politics, r/politics sucks.

TheOnelectronic > f86sabre 08/15/2015 at 22:36

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I think most unbiased sources would agree in terms of performance, but from what I’ve seen the Subaru was miles ahead in terms of interior quality, fit/finish, etc... And that’s saying something for a Subaru.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Berang 08/15/2015 at 22:37

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Actually some cars coming out of the big three in the late 60’s on modern tires will put down great numbers... moving forward at least. Stopping is another story.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Makoyouidiot 08/15/2015 at 22:47

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At least we still make our performance car. ;)

Berang > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/15/2015 at 22:52

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The thing is a lot of modern cars will just as well (actually better in most cases) - but are safer, quieter, more fuel efficient, better handling, more comfortable, etc. And this isn’t even a comparison of fastest cars available today vs. fastest then. This is like Honda Accord V6 vs. GTO, Firebird, Charger, etc.

And if you’re comparing apples to apples, the average boring family sedan today will blow the doors off basically any V8 sedan from back then. It’s just no contest.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > BaconSandwich is tasty. 08/15/2015 at 22:55

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I honestly think most people on the internet make up their insults by pulling words out of a hat...

“Oooh! I get two words for this insult! Let’s see...gay, nice, off to a good start and......queer! Crap! Oh, well gotta use em!!”

f86sabre > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 22:58

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Oh, the interiors and all that on the Subarus was much better, but the power trains, and the wing, on the Evo were better designed.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Berang 08/15/2015 at 23:03

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Except some of them will run low 10’s. While most engines were over rated with power, some were not. Some factory Hemi's literally put out 600+hp, in vehicles with less weight. But yes, they do everything else worse.

TheOnelectronic > f86sabre 08/15/2015 at 23:07

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I don’t doubt it, but it was never better enough for me to justify the compromises it called for in daily driving.

Also a mitsubishi salesman was an ass to me once, so fuck them.

Berang > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/15/2015 at 23:10

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0 to 60 is a far more meaningful measurement of acceleration than quarter mile times (which are frankly not applicable to any real world scenario I can think of). And even if you stretch it to 0 to 100, a lot of the fastest cars from the 60s are still slower than modern ones.

f86sabre > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 23:14

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I had the same experience when I was comparison shopping the Evo vs the STi. Local Subaru guy was a jerk. Bought the Evo instead. I can say though, say what you will about Mitsubishi quality, my Evo has held up very well. 12 years old, almost to the day of purchase, and 150k miles on it. Really, both were great cars though.

TheOnelectronic > f86sabre 08/15/2015 at 23:18

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Damn. That’s nice that it’s held up well. That was probably the... VIII then? Admittedly my knowledge comes from researching the X and from having a friend who was big into the DSM scene.

Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man > Berang 08/15/2015 at 23:25

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No car got 20 miles to the gallon 25 years ago much less with 707 horsepower. Ala Hellcat. There weren’t many cars that even had 700 horsepower 25 years ago and none within the price range of normal people.

For Sweden > Tom McParland 08/15/2015 at 23:30

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Piëch did nothing wrong

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 23:39

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there’s little to none of the typical “Brand A makes the best god damn cars ever! Brand B is only for queers and girls!” bullshit that you find elsewhere on the internet (not going to lie, it’s the worst with American b

Oh, you’d be amazed...

Nauraushaun > TheOnelectronic 08/15/2015 at 23:57

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The people here are awesome, most “car enthusiasts” outside of this site are unbearable.

TheOnelectronic > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 08/16/2015 at 00:01

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If it happens, it must not be where I can see it.

Frenchlicker > TheOnelectronic 08/16/2015 at 02:35

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I try to not venture too far from Jalopnik. The “car guys” everywhere else are like the car guys of old...or Australians.

Frenchlicker > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/16/2015 at 02:37

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I’m assuming that type drives a 90’s Camaro. So if it makes you feel better his car’s rear end has probably rolled down my assembly line at least once and probably will again since it is essentially the same as those found in a postal truck.

AdverseMartyr > Blondude 08/16/2015 at 03:10

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I would say the hate is reserved for excessive camber (and maybe stretched tires). Giving a car a good low stance is fairly appreciated, I think (unless the vehicle is designed to go off-road then the pitchforks and torches are out in force). And I think the hate is because the functionality of the car is damaged (meaning tires get destroyed, the body and frame drag.) We hurt when cars hurt.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Frenchlicker 08/16/2015 at 09:11

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We’ve had Chevy’s, I was far from insulted. I haven’t had a mechanical issue since August of 2012, and that was the standard 3VZE head gasket failure, then falling off of the harmonic balancer, which I believe was the mechanics fault. That’s pretty good for an abused vehicle from 1995.

Makoyouidiot > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 08/16/2015 at 10:55

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Ouch.

Frenchlicker > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/16/2015 at 11:18

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I’m assuming a majority of the rear ends that roll past me are probably from businesses and people that have more money than sense. I say this because a majority of what I see are gm 8.6, 8.5 and 7.5. But the more money than sense aspect comes in when we see the Camaro 7.5’s and occasional Viper rear end come by.