Its Not An "E" Brake

"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch) 08/12/2015 at 12:53 • Filed to: Rant

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That little stick, pedal or *sigh* button that puts on the brakes that hold your car in place... !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! ...when you leave it? Yeah, its called the parking brake. Its not the “emergency brake” or the more quick to say “E-Brake” its a parking brake. Also acceptable - Hoon lever.

I can’t stand it when people call it the e-brake. Its a failing of mine I guess but there it is. No, its not for “emergencies”, that’s what having federally mandated !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! are for. Its a parking brake...for parking and “other activities”. Sure, go ahead and try it in an emergency, why not? its an emergency after all...but that’s not what its mean for.

Tareim - V8 powered > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 12:57

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or as we call it, the Handbrake which is simple and makes sense as it’s a brake that you use with your hand and can be used for more things than just parking so calling it a parking brake isn’t 100% accurate imo

WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 12:58

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Funny story. My uncle used to have a Chevy Beretta with the handbrake, and I was only 5 or 6 years old at the time, and he convinced me that it was a laser. He said he couldn’t show it to me because it was disabled, but normally pressing the button and pulling it up would shoot lasers from the headlights. I believed that for longer than I care to admit.

Party-vi > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 12:58

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It is actually called a “make the car smell funny lever”

extraspecialbitter > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 12:59

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I call it that stick that makes my car smell funny!

*badum-tssss*

extraspecialbitter > Party-vi 08/12/2015 at 13:00

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damn it. u beat me. :(

HammerheadFistpunch > Tareim - V8 powered 08/12/2015 at 13:01

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Unless it’s a pedal...

KirkyV > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:02

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It’s a handy brake that you use with your hand.

Tripper > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:03

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It’s whatever you want to call it, I would say “handbrake” is the most accurate. However if it’s not part of the hydraulic braking system, then it definitely will help in an emergency. It also helps in the emergency where you want to slow down slightly without your brake lights coming on i.e when you’ve just passed a police officer and want to slow down just a touch. I call it the E brake and you cant stop me!

BigBlock440 > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:04

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But it is an “electronic” brake in most vehicles these days, so the terminology is now mostly correct.

PS9 > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:04

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Pedantry.

Tareim - V8 powered > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:05

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if it’s a pedal then it’s doing it wrong, must be a handbrake as everyone knows that a well executed handbrake turns on the ladies, foot brake? nah not so much

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:05

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It’s both. It’s a parking brake 99% (or 100% for most people these days) of the time, and an emergency brake if anything goes wrong with the main brake system. It is dual purpose, and therefore either one is correct.

And frankly, e-brake rolls off the tongue easier than parking brake.

HammerheadFistpunch > Tripper 08/12/2015 at 13:06

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You are entitled to your wrong opinion.

HammerheadFistpunch > BigBlock440 08/12/2015 at 13:07

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That’s true I guess, if its electrically actuated I will give you a pass for calling it an “e brake” so long as you know “e” stands for “electronic”

HammerheadFistpunch > Tripper 08/12/2015 at 13:07

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Technically sails would help in an emergency, but the point is that the parking brake (be it hand, foot or finger) is what it is.

Tareim - V8 powered > Tripper 08/12/2015 at 13:08

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sometimes seeing brake lights in the mirror will save you, about a month or 2 ago there was a news report where a guy (in a classic porsche) was stopped by the police due to speeding, the police officer said he flashed his light as a warning about his speed and looked for brake lights and was going to leave it at that, but as he didn’t see any brake lights he want after the guy and stopped him

LongbowMkII > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:08

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something something aggie gets foot stuck in steering wheel turning on the high beams something something.

HammerheadFistpunch > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/12/2015 at 13:09

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and a headliner could be a static electricity generator, but we call it a headliner.

HammerheadFistpunch > PS9 08/12/2015 at 13:13

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Pedalantry?

hsv > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:13

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When someone says “emergency brake”, I always picture someone seeing a car coming towards them at high speed, and they react by pulling the handbrake as though it’s your only emergency braking system, but they just lock up the rears and skid off the middle lane and down an embankment to a crunchy fiery death. This thought always takes place on a dual carriageway or motorway, never a residential area. Probably for dramatic effect.

I have a vivid imagination.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:14

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But:

The E-BRAKE was designed to be dual purpose. The headliners’ static electricity generating function is a side effect.

And we come back to this. Even if generating static electricity was a design function of the headliner, it would still be called the headliner because it's easier to say.

HammerheadFistpunch > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/12/2015 at 13:16

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Would you be happy if we called it the P brake? The PARKING BRAKE was designed to hold the car while parked, it was never sized or meant to be a redundant brake system, that it has that ability is secondary.

CalzoneGolem > Tareim - V8 powered 08/12/2015 at 13:16

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Well the foot brake is much more difficult to pull off but I’ve been able to do it and I imagine it would turn them more on.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:19

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Well, mechanical brakes came before hydraulic brakes and were used as the emergency brakes before the mandated dual reservoir existed. So yeah, it’s still the E-Brake.

HammerheadFistpunch > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/12/2015 at 13:22

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The pound sign came before the hashtag too you know.

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:24

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Well if you had no more hydraulic brakes, it certainly would be my go-to emergency brake after downshifting. I believe that was the original reason for an "emergency brake" term, redundant systems.

iSureWilll > Tareim - V8 powered 08/12/2015 at 13:26

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The girls I’m into prefer steering wheel turns over handbrake turns anyways.

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > Tareim - V8 powered 08/12/2015 at 13:27

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I want to see a foot pedal operated e-brake turn lol

HammerheadFistpunch > Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) 08/12/2015 at 13:27

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Like I said, I would use it in an emergency too, but that’s not what it was meant for or what it is. In an emergency you could also put your car in reverse and ease out the clutch (if manual), therefor the reverse gear is also an “e-brake”

EL_ULY > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:27

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I’ve fought this battle on the FP many times..... these kids are ruthless lol :]

Here at work, legally, it’s a parking brake

iSureWilll > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:27

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They should start putting emergency sails on cars.

My engine won’t start, damnit! At least I have my emergency sails!

iSureWilll > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:28

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The sun came before the moon... I think...

Tekamul > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:29

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Pee Break!

credit

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:29

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It sounds funny, but I can get behind that. Personally I'd prefer A for Auxilliary if it wasn't already taken by Air, since it's also often used as an auxilliary brake for hill starts in a manual.

Tripper > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:29

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Yea but I’ve never had sails on a car... so that logic is even worse than my argument for calling it an “emergency brake”. In any case this is a silly thing to get upset about, I don’t care what you call it I just wish my Audi had one that could be used for hooning.

HammerheadFistpunch > iSureWilll 08/12/2015 at 13:29

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I’d buy it.

StingrayJake > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:31

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Forza calls it an e-brake.

HammerheadFistpunch > EL_ULY 08/12/2015 at 13:31

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Its like i said, you CAN use it if all else fails...but its primary (and only designed) function is to hold the car while parked. I remember getting chewed out by some old fleet manager once because I put the parking brake on when I parked the car (he never did/does I guess) and his logic? “its the emergency brake, and you need to keep it for emergencies. Don’t use it to park with cause you’ll wear it out...and then what will you use in an emergency?!”

EL_ULY > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:32

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octothorp

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) 08/12/2015 at 13:33

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Not that hard. It still only locks the back, so the effect is the same, just the process is a bit different.

With a hand release:

Hold up the release, duh.

With a push-down-to-release:

Push to the first ratchet point. Lift your foot to allow the ratchet to grab. Then, firmly apply left hoof and commence your turn. This way it doesn't lock on when you release again.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Tekamul 08/12/2015 at 13:33

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Exactly my issue.

HammerheadFistpunch > iSureWilll 08/12/2015 at 13:33

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The sun and the moon are the SAME THING?!?!

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:34

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number sign.

Always

Tripper > StingrayJake 08/12/2015 at 13:34

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haha I thought so I had been looking all over to find out.

HammerheadFistpunch > StingrayJake 08/12/2015 at 13:34

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Forza is a terribly unreputable source, I read it on wikipedia.

HammerheadFistpunch > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/12/2015 at 13:35

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and forever.

EL_ULY > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:36

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Don’t use it to park with cause you’ll wear it out.

ouch, my brain.

I vote for calling in the Oversteer Initiating Smile Stick

Tareim - V8 powered > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/12/2015 at 13:37

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if your that into the frequent handbrake turns you can get yourself a “drift button” which prevents it from staying engaged when you release it

(disclaimer: this is a random pic I found online)

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:39

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It was definitely designed to be used for both purposes and DOT regulated to have mechanical backup for the hydraulic brakes. However, this has been designed out with changes to the hydraulic systems.

“Backup system means a portion of service brake system, such as a pump, that automatically supplies energy, in the event of a primary brake power source failure.”

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-…

StingrayJake > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:39

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I’m pretty sure Gran Turismo does too. And that’s the REAL driving simulator.

kanadanmajava1 > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:42

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I Finnish we call these things käsijarru which translates to hand brake. So it’s not called hätäjarru (emergency brake) that the are used in trains for panicking passengers.

Käsijarru term is of course useless with some cars where manufacturers (M-B and many US manufacturers) has decided to place the same function into a second brake pedal. Usually we disregard the terminology problem and just call them käsijarru in all cases. The official term here is seisontajarru which means standstill brake but is rarely used.

I usually avoid using it when I’m parking my car as it easily can gets stuck during winter time and rust consumes the disc more if the pads are against the disc/drum. Even manual transmission cars stay quite well in place if low gear is engaged and wheels turned so that they aren’t pointing to downhill.

Btw. Dual brake circuits can be useless too. I have experienced a master cylinder failure which caused the brake pedal to get stuck at the fully pressed position.

HammerheadFistpunch > Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) 08/12/2015 at 13:43

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“S1. Scope. This standard specifies requirements for hydraulic and electric service brake systems, and associated parking brake systems.”

First line.

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:43

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Id call this scenario an emergency, but yeah ‘official’ term appears to definitely be parking brake.

“In explaining the safety need for the rule, the agency stated its belief that parking brakes are an important operational safety feature and tentatively concluded that it is in the interest of safety to require that all vehicles be equipped with parking brakes that comply with Federal requirements. When properly engaged, parking brakes can prevent driverless roll-away events, which can result in collisions, injuries, and fatalities.”

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2005/…

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > hsv 08/12/2015 at 13:44

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Imagine if we only had "emergency" brakes? Maybe people would learn to drive smoother and coast more. Brake pad companies may lose out on that deal though!

HammerheadFistpunch > kanadanmajava1 08/12/2015 at 13:45

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I agree its a bit pedantic, but the facts are that TECHNICALLY its a parking brake. As for dual circuit failure, yeah it can happen. Engineering out failure with redundancies is a thing we haven’t been able to accomplish as humans yet.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Tareim - V8 powered 08/12/2015 at 13:45

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Get a FoRS if you want a drift button.

HammerheadFistpunch > Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) 08/12/2015 at 13:46

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A brake that prevents a car from rolling away when parked...parking brake. I agree it can be a very useful emergency tool, so can a belt buckle, but its primary function is to hold parked cars.

WhyWagonIfNotWagonFast > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:50

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Just because there is a newer redundant system for safety does not relegate an existing redundant system to nonexistence. If the primary and secondary system fail I still think that qualifies as an emergency to me. By your logic the A-10 has only 1 emergency backup system when in actuality it has more than 1 for many functions.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:51

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It is totally an emergency brake though. They’re cable based (like a bicycle) and independent of the hydraulic system, so they can be used as a backup in the event of a catostrophic brake failure.

And you could call newer button type ones E-for-”Electronic” Brakes.

HammerheadFistpunch > WhyWagonIfNotWagonFast 08/12/2015 at 13:51

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My logic isn’t that it cannot function as a redundant system, my logic is that its not primarily a redundant system.

HammerheadFistpunch > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 08/12/2015 at 13:53

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see reply to bigblock440 re: the second part. Re: the first - it CAN be used as a redundant system. It was NOT designed to be.

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 13:55

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That wouldn’t cause horrible grinding sounds or blow up my transmission? I never thought of trying that one.

HammerheadFistpunch > Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) 08/12/2015 at 13:56

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it wouldn’t be a great idea, but hey...its an emergency man!

Tareim - V8 powered > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/12/2015 at 13:58

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I still i’ll stick with Cusco’s button as it’s slightly cheaper by several grand

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 14:00

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Here was an interesting thread:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-te…

Seems to be a regional thing.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 14:00

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It is my God-given right to make comments without first reading the rest to make sure someone else hasn’t said the same thing already.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Tareim - V8 powered 08/12/2015 at 14:12

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kanadanmajava1 > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 14:12

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I was just describing the differences between languages. Not all but many people use them here when are standing in traffic lights or otherwise in a situation where they have to wait in traffic. And holding your car in a hill with the käsijarru is important part in the final exam in the driving school. That might the reason why we don’t see them just as parking brakes.

Most people here always use them when they park their cars. My own way is influenced by my “crappier than average” car choices.

Btw. Early cars with automatic transmissions didn’t have a park position so they relied solely on the brakes to hold in place.

Cé hé sin > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 14:12

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I’ve never heard the phrase “e brake” outside of these illustrious pages.

Cé hé sin > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 14:13

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Which it’s not, unless you have a Merc.

Cé hé sin > BigBlock440 08/12/2015 at 14:15

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Technically, it’s not electronic. It’s an electrically operated mechanical brake.

Tohru > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/12/2015 at 14:17

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Octothorpe.

Tripper > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 14:17

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You should do a poll, to see how oppo as a whole feels about this.

WhyWagonIfNotWagonFast > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 14:18

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So you say that it’s primary function is parking? In an automatic it has been at best redundant a lot longer than the dual brake circuit has been mandated. Perhaps we should call it “The Brake For Which Most People Have No Need.”

BigBlock440 > Cé hé sin 08/12/2015 at 14:23

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What’s the difference?

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 14:38

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Handbrakes are useful. If it is a foot pedal, then it’s just wrong.

How else are you supposed to do a hill start without a handbrake?

Cé hé sin > BigBlock440 08/12/2015 at 14:39

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To my way of thinking:

Electronic: no moving parts except electrons. Think chips and so on

Electric: moving bits. Think motors, switches and so on.

So, electric handbrake. Push button or stop engine and a little motor goes “wheee” and winds on the handbrake for you.

HammerheadFistpunch > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/12/2015 at 14:40

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talent.

BigBlock440 > Cé hé sin 08/12/2015 at 14:43

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Ok, so it’s an electric brake (I agree with the definitions). Still an e-brake. Not a handbrake anymore though.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 14:44

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Or extra clutch material. That works too.

uofime-2 > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/12/2015 at 14:49

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Yes, by beating your clutch like a rented mule.

YAH, cluch, YAH!

BRyan31122 > hsv 08/12/2015 at 14:53

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I think its referring to someone whose pedal goes to the floor, so they use the Hand Brake to save their ass..

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > uofime-2 08/12/2015 at 14:56

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Well, it *works*. I didn’t pass judgement on if it is repeatable...

uofime-2 > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs 08/12/2015 at 15:04

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In truth my new car has an auto hill hold feature, so now I only roast my clutch for fun and profit, not out of necessity.

But back in the old days with the Aveo, I roasted clutches up hill both ways... or something like that.

Sam > HammerheadFistpunch 08/12/2015 at 15:15

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This is JIF vs. GIF all over again.

HammerheadFistpunch > WhyWagonIfNotWagonFast 08/12/2015 at 16:23

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parking pawls are NOT to be trusted.

pip bip - choose Corrour > HammerheadFistpunch 08/13/2015 at 05:48

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aka handbrake

Berang > HammerheadFistpunch 08/13/2015 at 18:45

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Well... that’s not quite true. The hand brake’s history is such that it was basically an emergency brake in early cars. There was the service brake (foot pedal) and the hand brake, or emergency brake. In the early years when cars had no front brakes, there was usually two brakes for each rear wheel, on the same drum. The external contracting brake and the internal expanding brake. The foot pedal worked the external brake, and the hand lever worked the internal brake. Or in the case of some cars like the Model T the service brake was a transmission brake.

The external brakes worked by the pedal were stronger and more fade resistant - but they were external so when it rained you had to reach for the hand brake (kind of backwards huh) - or in an emergency such as the car rolling back on a hill - you grabbed that hand brake.

And of course even after four wheel brakes and hydraulics became standard (this took a very long time for some European makes) the hand lever could still be used in an emergency. So the term has been stuck on the hand lever for most of the existence of automobiles.

HammerheadFistpunch > Berang 08/13/2015 at 18:51

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In olden times they were called buggies or horseless carriages too...

Berang > HammerheadFistpunch 08/13/2015 at 19:11

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There were also called cars and automobiles back then too.

HammerheadFistpunch > Berang 08/13/2015 at 22:13

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my point is that it doesn’t matter what they used to do, or be called. They are parking brakes now.

Berang > HammerheadFistpunch 08/13/2015 at 22:31

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Mine isn’t. It is only to be used in parking emergencies.