Something terrible happened right across the street from where I live.

"Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord." (ningaboss)
07/24/2015 at 09:46 • Filed to: None

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DISCUSSION (21)

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2015 at 09:50

Wow. You know them?

pip bip - choose Corrour > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2015 at 09:52

hopefully they waste their lives in jail.

Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord. > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
07/24/2015 at 09:56

A small world I don’t know them but we are pretty much neighbors

Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2015 at 10:07

That’s just fucked up. I really hope they don’t let these two off with an insanity plea.

ttyymmnn > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2015 at 10:13

I’m having trouble getting my head around this. As a parent, I have to wonder just how bad things were for the kids to go off the deep end like that, or what external influences they succumbed to.

davedave1111 > Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey
07/24/2015 at 10:18

No-one gets ‘let off’ with an insanity plea.

[ETA: Except Ernest Saunders... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Sa… ]

Rainbow > pip bip - choose Corrour
07/24/2015 at 10:18

It’s hard to agree because they’re so young, but holy crap.... If they are able to be rehabilitated, there is no way they’ll be able to forgive themselves for this. It almost seems better for them if they just waste away without ever realizing they were wrong.

Of course, the younger one could have strongly been influenced by his brother, and if that’s the case he at least deserves a chance to redeem himself. But still.... I’m at a loss for words.

Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey > davedave1111
07/24/2015 at 11:28

I was never really sure how an insanity plea works, from my understanding it meant the accused didn’t understand what they were doing when they were committing a crime. I think these brothers clearly understood what they were doing.

valis86 > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2015 at 11:36

Small world indeed. I got married in Broken Arrow.

davedave1111 > Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey
07/24/2015 at 11:38

The legal definition of insanity is a bit odd:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%27Naght…

The way you put it is roughly right - the accused has to have not understood that what they were doing was wrong, or not known what they were doing at all. I don’t see any evidence for that one way or another in this case, at this stage. For all we know, the two boys might have been suffering from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capgras_d… or some such similar condition.

The point I was making, though, is about what happens afterwards. No-one’s ‘let off’ just because they’re found not guilty by reason of insanity. They’ll be locked away in a hospital of some kind rather than a prison, treated for their illness, and only ever released if they’re not a danger to others. Ill people don’t deserve to be punished for being ill, but that doesn’t mean a danger to the public can be allowed to run around free.

BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE > ttyymmnn
07/24/2015 at 12:37

It's just awful. I can't comprehend it. Maybe the older brother was an undiagnosed psychopath or something and convinced the younger brother to go along with him or something. Terrible situation.

Admiral-cb > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
07/24/2015 at 13:23

Maybe it’s just me, but it seems like you would have to be crazy to kill someone. The only exception to this being if they were trying to cause harm to you.

Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey > davedave1111
07/24/2015 at 15:12

Oh I understand now, thank you! That Capgras Delusion sounds pretty strange.

davedave1111 > Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey
07/25/2015 at 04:42

Yeah, there’s all kinds of really weird psychological/neurological conditions that exist. I don’t know why the Capgras one in particular came to mind here.

There’s an excellent (non-fiction but very interesting and easy to read) book about some odd conditions like that called The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat:

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Th…

Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey > davedave1111
07/25/2015 at 07:36

The Capgras does make sense though in this case. They believed everyone was an impostor, their twisted state told them to eliminate the impostors? It fits.

davedave1111 > Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey
07/25/2015 at 08:04

It doesn’t conflict with what we know - but there are any number of other delusions which might have led to the same outcome. Or quite possibly - probably? - no delusion at all.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
10/10/2015 at 18:10

You mentioned you lived near Tulsa on Lehto’s post, so I started looking through your posts. Sorry to bring up old (bad) shit by commenting on this one, but I live less than 2 miles from you (just north of the sports complex, west of Aspen).

Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord. > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
10/10/2015 at 19:07

Wow. You are close, never seen someone who lives near Tulsa on oppo.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
10/10/2015 at 20:19

There’s one other guy that’s a student at TU. Luke, I think?

Are you involved with the Caffeine and Gasoline group or active on the local car spotting Facebook pages?

Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord. > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
10/10/2015 at 22:43

Nope. If you have seen my previous posts I don’t even drive.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Panther Brown Tdi Volvo Shooting Brake Manual Miata RWD Wagon Stole HondaBro's Accord.
10/10/2015 at 23:50

C&G is fun - you don't need to drive to show up and check out incredible cars. The Tulsa car spotting pages are worth following, too. Lots of great cars in the area.