I may have made a mistake

"Funktheduck" (funktheduck) 05/19/2015 at 10:50 • Filed to: None

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I said the Corolla was a good car on the FP. Today should be “fun”.

CalzoneGolem > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 10:52

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That car is much better than mine in every way except mine is cheaper and it is mine.

Alex B > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 10:53

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I mean, it's not the worst...

Bobbyzoom > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 10:55

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Its not a bad car for getting from Point A to Point B reliably and cheap. Depends what you want out of a car. :)

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 10:55

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thebigbossyboss > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 10:55

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Nope. It used to be. It ain’t anymore.

Funktheduck > CalzoneGolem 05/19/2015 at 10:56

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I think it’s funny how the FP hive mind gets.

Is it a Toyota/Honda? It’s beige and sucks. Needs RWD and a billion HP and a gated manual.

Then they hop in their parents’ old accord and drive to high school while pretending they're driving a Ferrari.

TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 10:56

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It’s a car. You get what you pay for, it takes you reliably from A to B and shouldn’t be a pain on the wallet to run. If it doesn’t have a habit of exploding, I’d say it’s generally a good car.

m-b-w loves his SUBAROO > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 10:57

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For the average person, it is a good car.

Milky > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 10:57

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4 speed transmission and drum brakes. I’ll say its “good” when its not a decade behind.

Funktheduck > thebigbossyboss 05/19/2015 at 10:57

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It's not the greatest or most interesting but I think it checks enough boxes for most people to be considered good. There are certainly better cars but doesn't make it bad.

CalzoneGolem > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 10:59

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A couple years ago it was all about hating the Sebring.

I’m commuting bro. I wanna be comfortable and have some good tunes. That is all I require.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > thebigbossyboss 05/19/2015 at 10:59

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Beigeness is one thing. Beigeness coupled with horrific dullness, weird ergo, and bloat is another. Is it perfectly serviceable? Yes. Does it annoy me? Also yes.

Funktheduck > Milky 05/19/2015 at 10:59

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I thought they ditched the 4 speed auto in them (maybe the base model still has it?) for CVT or manual.

I agree on the drums. No modern car should have them. Still standard on a lot of cars in the compact and subcompact segment including the Focus.

thebigbossyboss > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:00

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In my esteemed opinion it is simply laying off the old corolla stereotypes. Even if I knew shopping for “basic transport” in that price range I would not recommend it these days. It’s pretty outdated.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:00

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As an appliance, it does very well. But if all I wanted was an appliance, I’d get a Mirage.

In any case I have no love for it.

CalzoneGolem > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:01

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I’ve often argues that no one currently sells a car in the US that isn’t “good.”

If you compare current cars to the cars of 40 years ago it is quite a difference.

AM > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:07

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For what it is and what's it's meant to do, I'd say yes it is a good car. It's nowhere near being best in the segment however.

Brian, The Life of > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:08

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It’s just an uninteresting commuter. Nothing wrong with it ... except of course its drivers.

Funktheduck > CalzoneGolem 05/19/2015 at 11:09

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Yup. FP people seem to think everyone has the money/desire to own and DD high performance luxury cars.

Life is about the little things sometimes. Other times it’s about fulfilling some basic needs.

Top down highway cruising with some good music? Hell yeah.

Speaking of top down cruising. My gf asked me the other day if I was going through an early mid life crisis because I keep talking about getting a convertible.

LongbowMkII > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:09

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Had a 2007 Corolla. It was good.

Milky > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:10

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Still on the base model. I also forgot how stupid it is that the “S” model is the same damn engine just with vvti (or whatever they call it) ….. That should just be the base engine! As far as I can tell every other car in its class has that standard (just checked focus, dart, civic and cruze).

Funktheduck > Brian, The Life of 05/19/2015 at 11:10

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I drove mine like I stole it half the time but most of the time it's some old person going 10 under in the left lane.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:11

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you’re right, compared to a 1970’s econo-box the corolla is a good car, but have you actually driven one? The ergonomics are nit good, the seats are uncomfortable, the suspension is simultaneously harsh and has poor body control, the steering has no feel even by modern electric power steering standards, the brake pedal might as well just be stuck in a bucket if thick mud and it suffers from the same problem many older American cars did where the brake boost is very immediate and powerful, causing a light press to yeild powerful stopping, leading to over-cofidence in the car’s stopping ability, as pressing the pedal harder in an emergency yeilds little additional stopping power. The engine is buzzy and makes little power accept in the high RPM range, where it sounds unrefined, and although I have not driven a 2014 or newer with a auto, the old 4-speed was calibrated for smoothness, not shift speed and results were acceleration delay that bordered on dangerous. No, its not a “bad” car, but it one of the worst you can buy new in the US if you use anything besides resale value and perceived reliability to judge by.

thebigbossyboss > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:12

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When I was young my Floridian mother always asked what was wrong with Canadians. Why do they own convertibles when the weather sucks for half the year??

Then after nearly 35 years of living here she got a convertible. That’s how I knew she had become one of us.

Funktheduck > Milky 05/19/2015 at 11:12

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Mazda3 has discs all around. It was a factor in my purchase. After dealing with drums for so long I said no more.

Nibbles > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:13

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My only qualm is entry-level car with LED headlamps. That should be a trickle-down technology, yeh?

I've heard numerous stories of those things crapping out within months of purchase

Funktheduck > Milky 05/19/2015 at 11:13

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The s model is dumb. It’s fine to have a top model look different but don’t call it “s” unless it has some performance changes to back it up

For Sweden > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:14

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rear torsion beam ftw

Funktheduck > thebigbossyboss 05/19/2015 at 11:18

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I live in the south so they're everywhere right now. It'll be about 2 years minimum before I can consider one for real.

Funktheduck > thebigbossyboss 05/19/2015 at 11:20

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It is outdated. It wasn't even on my radar when car shopping last year. I was coming from an 04. Despite some cosmetic changes and safety improvements it was still basically the same car.

Milky > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:23

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Especially since it still has less HP then its competitors base models.

BeaterGT > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:25

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I too have been a victim of douchebaggery on the front page just for saying tall people and sports cars don’t go well together. As for the Corolla, just ask them what makes it a bad car. Because it isn’t a bad car, it does everything thats asked of it which is why people buy them!

Funktheduck > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 05/19/2015 at 11:27

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I haven’t driven a new one. I had an 04 before my Mazda. Ergonomics weren’t bad except the steering wheel/pedals. They felt designed for someone with arms longer than their legs.

I didn't check out the new one because it's basically the same car a decade later.

thebigbossyboss > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 05/19/2015 at 11:31

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Dont hold back tell us how you really feel! :D

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:32

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I owned and loved a 2000 Corolla CE. That was a great little car. well put together, comfortable, the 1zz-FE with VVT-i was a great little engine and it was a good little car. much better than the more recent ones in my opinion.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:43

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For those who aren’t car people, it’s more than good. If you simply want an economically sensible way to get you from point A to point B every singlee time without thinking about it, it’s one of the best cars in the world.

Funktheduck > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 05/19/2015 at 11:49

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I think it deserves more credit than that. I could have quite a bit of fun in mine when I wanted

Funktheduck > LongbowMkII 05/19/2015 at 11:53

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Had an 04. My main critique is the 2015 is basically the same as the 04 with some updates

Funktheduck > For Sweden 05/19/2015 at 11:54

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I know Hyundai and Kia use the same set up.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 11:57

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You can have fun in anything you don’t give a rat’s ass about. The challenge is making something that you all-round like, and can still have fun in. Granted, this will vary person to person.

For my part, I could have fun in a corolla for the reason stated above. I could also have the same fun for the same reason in the Mirage, for half the price.

Funktheduck > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/19/2015 at 11:58

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Mine survived being my gf’s first car from when she 16 until about 24 then 3 years as my work/commuter/dog hauling car for another 3 years. The only thing that broke was the starter. Everything else was maintenance. 250k miles when I traded it in

Funktheduck > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 05/19/2015 at 12:01

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I want a base mirage, strip it, and add a roll cage. Slowest race car ever (clear exaggeration).

LongbowMkII > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 12:06

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True. But, it’s hard to make a business case to rock the boat when honestly, not that many people care (IT HAS BLUETOOTH). I’m actually impressed that they are able to get such an old chassis to pass all the needed crash tests.

Funktheduck > LongbowMkII 05/19/2015 at 12:26

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Yeah. As long as it sells they'll just keep doing small updates. Maybe their mild merger with Mazda will result in some platform updates

85reliantk > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 13:02

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What's the fp?

Funktheduck > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 05/19/2015 at 13:03

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I think it comes down to the competition. In 2000 the civic and Corolla were the best in the game for their class. 15 years later, they're basically the same car and everyone else upped their game and some passed them.

Funktheduck > BeaterGT 05/19/2015 at 13:12

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They just parrot “beige appliance” over and over without really knowing what it means I think.

I’m guessing my critics for the most part have never driven a car or at least haven’t had enough experience with different cars to know what’s good or bad. It’s the same people who basically quote Clarkson on their critiques of cars that they’ve likely never seen in person and can almost guarantee they’ve never driven.

I’ve received basically no comments since I said “if you can’t have fun in a “boring” car, it’s your fault; not the car’s.” After I summarized what makes it a good car.

Funktheduck > 85reliantk 05/19/2015 at 13:15

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Front page. Any of the main Gawker sites (Jalonik, Kotaku, Gawker, etc) are considered FP. Usually the FP is the main blog for whatever sub blog you're on. So Oppo-Jalop, TAY-Kotaku, etc.

BeaterGT > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 13:22

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Unfortunately Funk, we can’t fix stupid.

Funktheduck > Milky 05/19/2015 at 13:22

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Yeah. When I was doing research for my current car I made a big spreadsheet comparing all the normal stuff like fuel economy, power, suspension set up, brakes, manual option, etc. then listed base MSRP and built the way I want it MSRP. I did nearly all current compacts and subcompacts.

The Corolla was lowest on HP and not the best in fuel economy. I'll be ok with a little slowness (0-60 rarely matters in real life) for more MPG but it just didn't add up.

Funktheduck > BeaterGT 05/19/2015 at 13:23

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No but we can load it up in containers and drop it off in the middle of nowhere and leave it to survive on its own.

Burrito de EJ25 > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 13:57

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What beats a Toyota Corolla in that class, though? It has a ton of standard features. Hell, shit that’s an optional extra on a BMW comes standard on a lowly Corolla. You can even still get a manual in the S trim.

Burrito de EJ25 > Milky 05/19/2015 at 13:59

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Except you only see S trim Corollas in the wild. I don't think I've ever seen a base model Corolla.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > Funktheduck 05/19/2015 at 15:08

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No, I honestly think the 2000 Corolla is BETTER than the current one in every way except interior volume and electronic gadget availability. hell, I think my old 2000 was even QUIETER than the current one, but the thing that really irks me about the (2012+ especially) is the horrible interior ergonomics, awful driver sight lines and hackneyed suspension (bouncy and rough, but with no body control). A Hyundai Elantra smacks the Corolla in those “regular car” performance metrics so soundly It’s sad.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Funktheduck 05/20/2015 at 04:43

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corollas at BEST are beige!

corollas are appliances!

they are NOT good cars.

never will be.

Funktheduck > pip bip - choose Corrour 05/20/2015 at 07:58

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So what is a good car?

pip bip - choose Corrour > Funktheduck 05/20/2015 at 08:15

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subarus with FB motors , Mazda 3 & 6 , Ford Focus & Fiesta , Nisan Pulsar , Chevrolet Cruze

Funktheduck > pip bip - choose Corrour 05/20/2015 at 08:23

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Can’t really argue with that.

I still think it’s a good car for most people. Very reliable, even when neglected, good on gas, decent looking, etc.

It’s not a super exciting car but can be fun if you're willing. It has fallen behind the competition in a lot of ways but just because it's not as good as the competition doesn't make it not good.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Funktheduck 05/20/2015 at 08:31

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good car for the elderly , true.

you’d need o be be very willing to find it fun.

fallen behind the competition? when did they lead? i must have blinked

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Funktheduck > pip bip - choose Corrour 05/20/2015 at 08:37

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I had fun in mine at times. The whole slow car fast thing. Most of the time I drove pretty normal.

Good car for elderly, teens, people who want a car with minimal fuss, people who want a huge trunk in a little car.

For a long time if you wanted a dependable small car the choices were either civic or Corolla. Unfortunately, Honda and Toyota rested on their laurels and have failed to innovate like they used to. The competition has either caught up or passed them in the measurable categories people look at.