Five seven.

"whoarder is tellurium" (whoarder)
05/07/2015 at 10:28 • Filed to: gunlopnik

FN Five-seven. 5.7x28mm

DISCUSSION (63)

crowmolly > whoarder is tellurium
05/07/2015 at 10:32

These things are a dream to shoot. A light push of recoil and good accuracy. Big capacity. Large muzzle flash.

Shame ammo is so expensive.

Alfalfa Romeo > whoarder is tellurium
05/07/2015 at 10:34

So cool.

But so ‘spensive.

Party-vi > whoarder is tellurium
05/07/2015 at 10:37

That is so pretty. I’d love to have one.

ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback > crowmolly
05/07/2015 at 10:37

what sort of calibers does this compare with? I haven’t tried this caliber yet.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > whoarder is tellurium
05/07/2015 at 10:37

Kinja'd!!!

I have yet to shoot these nor have I ever been to a range that will permit this ammo to be fired at their facility

MrPseudonym > whoarder is tellurium
05/07/2015 at 10:38

Is this the next Glock?

Probably not.

Party-vi > MrPseudonym
05/07/2015 at 10:39

I mean, it weighs less than a glock an they sell over 20k a year.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > whoarder is tellurium
05/07/2015 at 10:40

Kinja'd!!!

Are the rounds a Nosler-like design, or is that just an exposed core at the tip? I haven’t examined one, so I don’t know.

uofime > ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback
05/07/2015 at 10:40

5.7mm x 28mm IIRC basically custom shared with P90

uofime > whoarder is tellurium
05/07/2015 at 10:41

Do Want.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback
05/07/2015 at 10:43

5.7 is smaller than .22 (7mm). It is, however, a long bullet with high velocity. In other words, the round is in some respects between a pistol .22 and a hunting rifle round like the .22-250.

MrPseudonym > Party-vi
05/07/2015 at 10:44

But the Glock was ubiquitous because it was cheap, reliable, and used a super common type of round. The Five-Seven, no matter how cool, won’t have two of those things: the cheapness of the Glock, nor its use of a common round. Unfortunately, this is because of the fact that Germany vetoed NATO’s decision to use the 5.7 instead of the weird German round from HK.

It could have been great. Sadly, that opportunity has passed.

whoarder is tellurium > MrPseudonym
05/07/2015 at 10:45

Its extremely expensive and so is the ammo. However, the 57 is very light and factory magazines carry up to 20 rounds I believe.

Keltec PLR-30 is somewhat of an alternative chambered in 22 WMR ... but reliability is an issue with that pistol.

Party-vi > MrPseudonym
05/07/2015 at 10:47

I think the Five-Seven is still a great gun, it’s just not (like you said) cheap and ubiquitous. Volvos are great cars, but a Chevy does the same thing for less.

whoarder is tellurium > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet
05/07/2015 at 10:47

Right! Ugh.

Nibbles > whoarder is tellurium
05/07/2015 at 10:48

Want. Best lefty available

crowmolly > MrPseudonym
05/07/2015 at 10:48

Bingo.

With a few exceptions, very few people and organizations will want to run 5.7x28mm since it requires changing over to a new, less common and more expensive round.

Last time I shot one ammo was only available from FN @ $35 a box. Looks like some other companies make it now and it’s cheaper, but still not 9mm price.

ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
05/07/2015 at 10:49

I’d be curious to find out what the takedown rating is on this caliber compared to something like a .380 or 9mm. For concealed carry its always nice to remain accurate as you put distance between you and an adversary, but I’d be curious if this round would carry much velocity to be worth it.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback
05/07/2015 at 10:51

It’s a hard core IIRC, designed for tumble. I think it’s supposed to be pretty good, but it has its skeptics.

whoarder is tellurium > uofime
05/07/2015 at 10:51

MrPseudonym > Party-vi
05/07/2015 at 10:53

But Chevy doesn’t make wagons!

Snuze: Needs another Swede > ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback
05/07/2015 at 10:54

Wikipedia, and ballistics data, suggests it is similar to a 22 Hornet, which makes more powerful than a .22 LR or WMR rimfire but less powerful than a .223/5.56mm.

In terms of terminal performance, it delivers the same amount of energy to the target as a 9mm 115gr ball round. But it’s “small bullet fast” vs. “big bullet slow” so you have the associated tradeoffs - better penetration against armor but less effective against soft targets.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > whoarder is tellurium
05/07/2015 at 10:55

I’m thinking about doing an AR-57 and would love to get one of these to pair with it if I’m going to start shooting 5.7mm, but its such an expensive gun and expensive round.

ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
05/07/2015 at 10:58

so a mild .223 round for a pistol. Makes sense.

Party-vi > MrPseudonym
05/07/2015 at 10:59

Dammit you know what I’m getting at!

BigBlock440 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
05/07/2015 at 10:59

Huh? A .22 is 5.59mm, a 7mm is more or less a 30 cal. at .28 inches.

ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback > Snuze: Needs another Swede
05/07/2015 at 11:00

This is very good information, thanks.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > BigBlock440
05/07/2015 at 11:01

Whoops, brain fart. My brain cross-pollinated thinking on a 7.7. My coffee ain’t working.

Funktheduck > ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback
05/07/2015 at 11:02

Think of it as if a rifle and a handgun had a baby round.

I've heard cops don't like them because they were initially designed for piercing armor for the military. Most vests are made for stopping hand gun rounds

Snuze: Needs another Swede > ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback
05/07/2015 at 11:04

No problem. I took a look at the test data, it was out of a 10.5” barrel, so a P90 most likely. Out of a handgun performance will decrease slightly due to the shorter barrel length.

But you can carry 20 rounds in a single magazine, and 50 in a P90 magazine. What it lacks in stopping power it makes up for in volume.

whoarder is tellurium > Funktheduck
05/07/2015 at 11:05

Yeah, a majority of the vests out there wont stand up to any high velocity rounds without a rifle plate behind it.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback
05/07/2015 at 11:07

I think if you could get a bullet that expands reliably at short ranges, it would make a great CCW. The issue is the velocity is so (relatively) high compared to most handguns, and CCW engagement ranges are so short, you’re liable to blow right through your target and cause minimum damage.

ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback > Snuze: Needs another Swede
05/07/2015 at 11:08

Unless you live in NYS. 7 Round max in a mag, and 10 if you’re at home or the range.

Racescort666 > Snuze: Needs another Swede
05/07/2015 at 11:10

I was thinking the same thing. I’ll stick to my .357

uofime > whoarder is tellurium
05/07/2015 at 11:10

Wow, that is an odd video. I'm not sure pretending to be a nut is a great idea when you review guns.

crowmolly > ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback
05/07/2015 at 11:10

As a civilian (if you are one) you can’t get the “good” AP ammo that I would guess is really it’s intended purpose. A pistol that security forces can use against armored targets.

Jake Huitt - Two Alfas And A Nissan, Not A Single Running Car > whoarder is tellurium
05/07/2015 at 11:12

Too expensive, but a great gun.

JR1 > whoarder is tellurium
05/07/2015 at 11:12

Only a couple more months and I can finally buy my own pistol!

Snuze: Needs another Swede > ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback
05/07/2015 at 11:13

True, or Maryland, or California, and whatever other states have magazine restrictions.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Racescort666
05/07/2015 at 11:14

Can’t argue with that logic. My dad has a S&W 686 and I have a Manurhin MR-73, and they are both awesome guns. Such a beast of a round.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > whoarder is tellurium
05/07/2015 at 11:17

The same model of gun Nidal Malik Hasan used to shoot more than 40 people — and kill 13 — at Fort Hood, Texas, in 2009.

The same exact image is on Wikipedia.

Do we talk guns on Oppo? This is the first I’ve seen.

BigBlock440 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
05/07/2015 at 11:22

We all have days.

Racescort666 > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet
05/07/2015 at 11:24

I’ve shot one before. Granted, the range I was at allows rifles and no one bats an eye when I bring in my Super Redhawk. The FN57 was nice, handled well, low recoil, light weight, good trigger pull. It was some random dude at the range asked if I wanted to shoot it.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet
05/07/2015 at 11:30

Good thing i only shoot behind my house

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
05/07/2015 at 11:31

Sorry to be that guy, but everything you’ve got in this post is incorrect. The 5.7x28mm is actually slightly larger than a .22 in diameter. The .223 is 5.56mm in diameter making the 5.7 something like .224” diameter. The 5.7x28 (350-400 ft-lbs) has significantly more muzzle energy than a .22 LR (100-200 ft-lbs), but nowhere near the muzzle energy of a .22-250 (1500-1800 ft-lbs). The 5.7 has slightly less muzzle energy than the 9mm (350-500 ft-lbs), but theoretically has better downrange performance because of its external ballistics and its projectile design allowing for an effective steel core penetrator type ammunition. It is also an easier round to shoot because its lighter weight projectile leads to less recoil when shooting.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time
05/07/2015 at 11:32

Treat never keep keep

And the 5th and final safety rule of firearms usage: Know your target and what lies beyond.

More of an infantry rule than just general marksmanship.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback
05/07/2015 at 11:33

Please see my response to RamblinRover. There are some pretty significant errors in the information that he gave you.

The 5.7x28 compares to the 9mm. It has slightly less muzzle energy, but slightly better downrange performance due to projectile design.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet
05/07/2015 at 11:34

yup a hill that rises 30 feet above the level that i shoot. And lots of woods beyond that

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much
05/07/2015 at 11:51

BigBlock440 already caught me on the bore size error, thank you . If you’d read down... I’m not an utter fool, merely a guy whose coffee hadn’t kicked in yet in time to edit my post. My reference to a “long bullet” was explicitly a reference to its more modern rifle-like projectile design compared to a .22LR. I admit there’s a huge envelope of muzzle energies between a .22LR and a .22-250, but that *is* an accurate characterization to use if imprecise - less punch than this, more punch than that. Muzzle velocity based on those energy numbers would be around 50% higher than the .22LR and a little over half that of the .22-.250 - muzzle velocity being less of a “you are WRONG WRONG WRONG” bludgeon in that respect than energy.

In short: I made *one* error that I know better than to make and acknowledged, and this became “everything you’ve got in this post” and “pretty significant errors” after you completely neglected reading the whole thread. WTF? Who pissed in your cheerios?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/07/2015 at 11:55

We have talked guns on Oppo for time immemorial. In fact, in the pre-kinja days, it was more frequent. When the system worked with hashtags, the hashtag used was #gunlopnik. Etiquette has dictated that people starting political fights over them is discouraged, just like political fights over anything else.

whoarder is tellurium > uofime
05/07/2015 at 11:55

Its absolutely hilarious to most of us (including me) who are firearm junkies. You’ve gotta have a good grasp on reality at the same time though... lol. There’s a lot of history to some of the stuff he mocks/imitates. Side note: He actually just stopped making videos for unrelated reasons, so I has a sad.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
05/07/2015 at 12:01

Saying the 5.7 has more energy than a .22 LR and less than a .22-250 is like saying a Fiesta ST is faster and more powerful than a Tata Nano and slower and less powerful than a McLaren P1. I was simply trying to show how the 5.7 compared to the rounds you listed along with comparing it to one of its direct competitors in the 9mm. As far as terminal effect goes the muzzle energy is the generally regarded as the relevant statistic. My comment was not a personal attack on you and you should not have taken it as such. I was simply trying to give you and the person you responded to more relevant and detailed information.

whoarder is tellurium > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/07/2015 at 12:05

Occasionally we do I guess. We’re discussing an object. A mechanical device that functions by action-reaction. It cannot be functioned without the help of a human nor will it function on its own accord. So therefore, if it is used improperly by a human in a manor which is against the law of the land, it is the human at fault.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much
05/07/2015 at 12:11

Your information is very helpful, and it’s less lazy than my response and better researched. I didn’t take it as a personal attack, but it *did* come off (to me at least) as rather snotty. No matter.

I was trying to illustrate a very wide divide in rounds of that size - that there’s a lot of room between a Nano and a McLaren so to say and the Five seveN was somewhere “in the middle” was actually my point. “Not a plinking round, not a rifle round.” I guess it didn’t translate. And yes, you’re correct that muzzle energy is a better index of lethality, but the velocity broadly has a lot to do with the behavioral class, which was the topic *I* was examining. In short, that I took as a searching for something else “wrong” to pick nits over, and if I was wrong in that, I’m sorry.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
05/07/2015 at 12:15

Fair enough. Just wondering. That five-seven round looks like a miniature rifle round.

I’m a revolver man, myself.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/07/2015 at 12:20

Likewise, but I appreciate what the Five seveN is trying to do on the opposite end of the spectrum. Higher velocity rounds for the same muzzle energy makes for lower recoil (momentum transfer goes down), which is a different way of going about ensuring good accuracy compared to a solidly mounted chamber/barrel, long barrel, high mass, and so on (classic revolver) but just as valid.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
05/07/2015 at 13:19

Interesting. A friend has a 10mm Glock which he wanted to sell me. Granted, very different pistol. But I just did not like the action moving around when I fired it. I have strong hands and I enjoy managing the recoil. And I like the simplicity and the dependability. No stovepiping, no jams. But you’ve only got a third as many bullets as the other guy, so you’d better be accurate.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/07/2015 at 13:22

I’ve found that subcompact Glocks fit my hands poorly, and a Beretta 92 is in parts too wide a frame and too “bouncy” and sloppy for me to care for. I like a single-stack 1911, if autos are on the menu...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
05/07/2015 at 13:47

Such a large frame. That five-seven looks like it ought to fit well in a hand.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/07/2015 at 13:58

I have a large palm, but short fingers, so a 1911 single-stack is an excellent fit, and the Beretta is off in two axes at once. I imagine the five seven would be fine, though.

crowmolly > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/07/2015 at 14:14

If you have large hands it fits well, and the knurling works well at resisting slippage.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
05/07/2015 at 15:36

Didn’t mean it to come off as snotty or anything but I can see how it did. My wording was a little poor too because the only real error was the diameter. I just hate to see misleading info regarding firearms and wanted clarify that the rounds you were talking about have widely varying sizes and performance.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much
05/07/2015 at 15:39

No worries. Pleasure doing business with you, as it were.