So copying aircraft carrier stat-pages passes for FP material

"TheBaron2112" (TheBaron2112) 05/05/2015 at 15:31 • Filed to: None

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Rogaway’s new FoxtrotAlpha “article” is essentially a rundown of the wikipedia stats box for the USS John C. Stennis, links to the wiki pages of its respective squadrons, and a few quirky facts like how many pillowcases it has on board.

And this is the quality of writing we can expect from Rogaway, I guess.

Oh, and he took the pictures from the Stennis’ website (which, did you know carriers have their own websites?) and mirrored one for whatever reason.

But I’d prefer this to have him repeat more shit shoveling about the F-35.

/rant

BrtStlnd > TheBaron2112 05/05/2015 at 15:33

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Why not share your thoughts in the article itself?

ttyymmnn > TheBaron2112 05/05/2015 at 15:38

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When I do my bi-weekly Planelopnik History posts, I use Wikipedia as a primary source. I wouldn’t write a college dissertation that way, but it works well enough for this forum. I do try, however, to add my own style to the basic facts. As a collection of basic information, Wikipedia is usually fine. But it always helps to check other sources to be sure, especially if something sounds fishy.

I find that Tyler generally does a pretty good job, but what he really needs is a good editor. I have found that the true skill in writing comes in rewriting. I find his posts to be generally too long and he tries a bit too hard to sound knowledgeable. But I think his facts are usually correct, and that’s the most important part.

Every ship has its own website, btw, as does every USAF base and squadron. The military websites can be a great place to find current pictures of hardware, and the pictures are free to use. Which is why I limit my use of pictures (generally) to Wikipedia and .mil sites. I don’t want to raise and © hackles.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > TheBaron2112 05/05/2015 at 15:39

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Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > TheBaron2112 05/05/2015 at 15:39

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Well I mean the F35 has been a huge shit storm sooo....

jariten1781 > TheBaron2112 05/05/2015 at 15:40

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He’s mostly good IMO. Things I don’t like: Beating the F-35 dead horse, beating the A-10 dead horse, his bizarre idea that AIP subs would be a good fit in the US Navy, his belief that the Russian’s secretly have a fleet of motherships/midget subs.

DoYouEvenShift > TheBaron2112 05/05/2015 at 15:44

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FA is my favorite subblog on here.

CalzoneGolem > jariten1781 05/05/2015 at 15:52

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I disagree with his choice of socks.

DrJohannVegas > BrtStlnd 05/05/2015 at 15:57

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FA went low-sodium.

jkm7680 > TheBaron2112 05/05/2015 at 16:07

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There’s a lot of things on FP that shouldn’t have been put on FP. Like 10 line things written on Oppo, and pictures.

Spaceball-Two > TheBaron2112 05/05/2015 at 16:08

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At least it's not another article bashing the F-35.

TheBaron2112 > BrtStlnd 05/05/2015 at 16:10

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I did.

Also, every time I post on Rogaway’s articles, I can never find my reply in the discussions. I don’t know if authors can make it to where certain peoples’ replies don’t show up, or if it’s just a Kinja thing.

TheBaron2112 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/05/2015 at 16:11

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Jesus said I should be the salt of the earth.

So I became salt.

TheBaron2112 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 05/05/2015 at 16:11

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Not nearly the shitstorm Pierre Sprey-lite is making it out to be.

TheBaron2112 > jariten1781 05/05/2015 at 16:12

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So, all of his articles.

I will concede that his interviews are probably good. I haven’t read any of them. But his technical articles are usually not sourced, but obviously taken from elsewhere, and poorly composed and compiled. His articles are generally twice as long as they should be.

TheBaron2112 > DoYouEvenShift 05/05/2015 at 16:13

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That’s great. If you want to read real military analysis though, I’d direct you to a number of other sources depending on what you are most interested in. And in actuality, most of the good information can be found on specific forums rather than news sites.

TheBaron2112 > ttyymmnn 05/05/2015 at 16:16

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I love wikipedia as a source. I’m not knocking it. I use it religiously.

But what he has essentially done is reproduce the info box from wiki here in list form.

And god yes, his posts are a mess and twice as long as they should be. I remember making that statement to him when he first started posting (along with a factual correction on an article about Russian ships). Since then I’ve reverted to peanut gallery sniping, because he didn’t get the message.

Saf1 > TheBaron2112 05/05/2015 at 17:49

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Absolutely anything and everything is FP worthy for Jalopnik nowadays. I’ve said this quite a few times but as you say such comments never get approved so conveniently they get to continue their clickwhoring whilst keeping naysayers in the grey -> all those subblogs? They exist for a reason - keep that shit contained! They are so pathetic that they “need” extra views, then share RELEVANT articles from the other blogs, like Gizmodo’s article on plastic gears - excellent! Even when it would be so easy to keep the unnecessary content relevant, like all those deals from their commerce team could so easily be car parts and accessories, even then it’s just junk. It kills me to see the state of Jalopnik, and it’s all so STUPID...they think it works because everyone me included keep coming back but that’s just because atm they have a unique integrated article/forum thing. And the articles are still good. But believe it or not I didn’t come to a car site to see military posts, sponsored blurbs and OMG KINDLE DEAL per page!!

TheBaron2112 > Saf1 05/05/2015 at 17:55

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I’m not in the grey. My posts just disappear for Rogaway’s articles.

But I’m okay with the FP being ‘anything goes.’ I just want the anything to be of a certain quality. I don’t care if they crosspost from other gawker sites or post deals. If it’s inoffensively not of quality, I just ignore it. Crossposts from Gawker about policing or whatever. If it’s actively triggering my Rustle Button, then I’m gonna go off. See: Rogaway.

Saf1 > TheBaron2112 05/05/2015 at 18:05

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By that logic why not just browse Gawker for your car news? I’m not attacking you, I’m trying to understand why it seems I’m the only one who has issue with it! Why should a car enthusiast go to a car enthusiast website and have to wade through stealth bombers and missiles etc? If this really was ok why is it that on other car sites there will be unrelated ads at the BOTTOM and NOT ON FP AT ALL. So if Speedhunters started talking about meth that’d be ok too??? It’d actually be relevant /s. Further to the whole unnecessary thing, there is so much empty space under where the popular articles are (which in itself would be more than sufficient for the irrelevancy), why don’t they use that? They are literally doing this in the worst possible way.

TheBaron2112 > Saf1 05/05/2015 at 20:21

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Because Jalopnik is a car centric blog on a whole family of websites devoted to many many things.

You don’t go to a gas station just for gas and complain that there’s a convenience store right there, do you?

As a car enthusiast, you should go to websites that you like, read the articles that interest you, and ignore the ones that don’t. When your main complaint is that you have to “wade” through articles which is literally as much work as a few strokes of your finger, you’ve got life pretty good.

You’re bad at slippery slopes, you can’t accept that Gawker isn’t just Jalopnik, and if you think you can do better, go do better. Otherwise, be a good car enthusiast and read things that interest you while ignoring the rest.

And before you say I’m complaining about Rogaway and I should ignore him, I actually like the subject matter. I just don’t like how he presents it. So this is a pre-emptive response to you trying to reflect my advice for you.

Saf1 > TheBaron2112 05/06/2015 at 02:05

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Well, that’s certainly their reasoning behind it. I still maintain that they can be doing the exact same thing in a far less obtrusive way, with copious amounts of empty space on the left. Remember this is all relatively recent, was very pure for years before! Thanks for the explanation bud.