Who's in the wrong?

"scoob" (scoobsti) 05/05/2015 at 14:36 • Filed to: None

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I understand getting pissed about people in the intersection, but I would never ever charge forward like that on a bike. I think they both did stupid moves.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > scoob 05/05/2015 at 14:38

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“This video is not available.”

Ah, YouTube. Working as it should; Total disobedience!

Edit: Few minutes later, someone actually claimed to say that my cat video is in copyright violation.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > scoob 05/05/2015 at 14:39

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They both did dumb moves, but Accord guy was 100% in the wrong.

MIATAAAA > scoob 05/05/2015 at 14:39

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Hmmm... this may be a no fault accident. Honestly, the video footage is probably going to hurt the motorcycle rider more than the guy in the white car.

TheHondaBro > scoob 05/05/2015 at 14:40

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The guy that hit him kinda looks like my calc professor.

Rico > scoob 05/05/2015 at 14:41

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What? Someone on a motorcycle believes he is above waiting like everyone else until the cars clear the intersection? Color me shocked.

thebigbossyboss > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 05/05/2015 at 14:41

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No he wasn’t. The motorcycle was completely in the wrong.

You do not enter the intersection unless your exit is clear. It clearly (HA!) was not clear, it had a Honda Accord in the way.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > thebigbossyboss 05/05/2015 at 14:43

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He had a green light, not a stop sign.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Rico 05/05/2015 at 14:44

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Considering that the guy in the car blocked the intersection, I’d say that he’s the one who thinks he’s above waiting in line.

thebigbossyboss > Rico 05/05/2015 at 14:44

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This is it. Just because the accord was wrong to block the intersection, it does not mean it was safe or desriable to charge at the accord. You do not enter an intersection unless your exit is clear, and his “clearly” HA! was not. It was blocked by the accord.

lonestranger > scoob 05/05/2015 at 14:44

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Who’s in the wrong?

1. The white Accord.

2. The red Yaris.

3. The black Escape.

4. The silver Charger.

5. The white SUV.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > scoob 05/05/2015 at 14:45

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Seriously though, what am I seeing? YouTube is being a butt on me.

thebigbossyboss > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 05/05/2015 at 14:46

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So what? A green light does not mean disregard what is in front of you and charge blindly ahead. The accord was not right to block the intersection, but in this case the motorcycle would be at fault here in ontario because he did not wait for traffic to clear the intersection.

thebigbossyboss > lonestranger 05/05/2015 at 14:49

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Nay. The motorcyclist alone caused this crash.

Rico > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 05/05/2015 at 14:51

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Listen this shit happens 24/7 in NYC, cars going and then stop abruptly in the intersection because a car up ahead wants to park/leave a parking/move over 3 lanes and no one is letting them through.

That doesn’t mean I get to just plow forward because my light is green. I get it’s wrong but why not at least proceed with caution he literally tried to fly through the gap. Again I am not surprised.

Motorcycles get all the passes on the street. Traffic has everything at a standstill? I guess I’ll ride the shoulder. Light turned red but no cars are coming? Guess I’ll just go it’s not like anyone can catch up to me anyway. Street backed up? I’ll just get on the sidewalk. Cops are not even allowed to chase them which adds to their douchbaggery.

scoob > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura 05/05/2015 at 14:52

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Motorcyclist is at a red light. The intersection in front of him is fill of cars stopped crossing perpendicularly. Light turns green. Motorcyclist flies off the line, and tries to weave through the line of cars.

As soon as he gets in front of one of the cars, that car moves forward, knocking over the motorcyclist.

A fracas appears. Just kidding.

RockThrillz89 > scoob 05/05/2015 at 14:52

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I’d say the motorcycle would have been at fault had the Accord not rolled forward magically right when the motorcycle was about to split the gap. And if you look at the video, it appears the Accord guy is looking right at the motorcycle, which in my non-lawyer opinion, makes the contact intentional.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura 05/05/2015 at 14:52

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Intersection backed up. Motorcycle wait at red, guns it through the intersection a d tries to get through the backed up traffic. Once he does that accord moves forward and clips him.

Accord is an idiot for blocking the I intersection. Motorcycle is an idiot cause he tried to split backed up traffic.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > thebigbossyboss 05/05/2015 at 14:53

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I’d have charged forward, slammed on the brakes at the last minute, and expressed extreme displeasure through my horn, mouth, and finger. The guy’s a prick. The motorcyclist didn’t charge blindly ahead, he went for a gap that Accord guy closed probably intentionally because he’s a prick. I wouldn’t have gunned it like he did if on a bike, but I absolutely would have gone through that gap, probably while screaming at the prick in the Accord and giving him the finger. In case it’s not obvious, I am not in Ontario. I live in a free country. Per Florida law, you only need to yield to vehicles lawfully in the intersection, soooo... I guess that means I can ram the next prick to do this.

E. Julius > scoob 05/05/2015 at 14:54

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Obviously the people blocking the intersection shouldn’t have done that, that’s basic driving. That being said, it was pretty foolhardy to try and dash through it like that, especially at that speed. If he would have went through the intersection at 5-1o mph, the Accord guy probably would have seen him, and if he didn’t the motorcyclist (or the Accord driver for that matter) would have had time to brake. It’s not like all the cars behind the motorcyclist would have been mad if he went slow or even waited though, they couldn’t go anywhere.

Basically it seems like a guy not really paying attention got stuck in the middle of an intersection, then an overly aggressive douchebro tried to dick his way through it and got burned.

Rico > thebigbossyboss 05/05/2015 at 14:55

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Exactly I deal with this almost everytime I drive my car here in the city. Sometimes up ahead a car is reversing into a parking spot or trying to change lanes or pedestrians are crossing causing an unexpected back up and unfortunately you might get stuck at the intersection. Some streets have a “Do not block the box” signs that mean you are in an area where you will be ticketed for getting stuck in the intersection.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Rico 05/05/2015 at 14:56

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With regards to a red light and no one coming, motorcycles kind of have to run them. They don’t usually trigger the light changes. I agree, this squid was an idiot, but I don’t fault him for going. I would have gone too. I wouldn’t have treated it like a race start and flew through like he did. I would have done it slowly while expressing extreme displeasure at the driver blocking the intersection, but there’s nothing wrong with motorcycles using their size to get through traffic and reducing congestion.

E. Julius > scoob 05/05/2015 at 14:57

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Also, first person motorcycle crash was pretty terrifying.

nermal > scoob 05/05/2015 at 14:57

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Everybody is wrong, hopefully none of them reproduce if they haven’t already.

Accord guy and the 4 cars in front of him were gridlocking. No idea why he moved forward at the last minute either.

Bike guy didn’t need to go Captain Insano launching at the drop of the green light. If he would have taken it easy, he could have zoomed right through there no problems.

Pro tip #1: When riding on the street, act as if everybody is trying to murder you at all times.

Pro tip #2: Track days.

nermal > thebigbossyboss 05/05/2015 at 14:58

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He didn’t enter the intersection, he launched the bike at the drop of the green. His idea to zip in between the gridlocked cars was fine. The manner and speed in which he did it was not.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > RockThrillz89 05/05/2015 at 15:01

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That’s what I was thinking too.

ttyymmnn > scoob 05/05/2015 at 15:01

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Bike guy was looking for trouble and he found it. He was right that the white car shouldn’t block the box, but he handled that in entirely the wrong way. It’s better to be unhurt, with an undamaged bike, than right.

Some people go through life looking for an excuse to be pissed off. I think bike guy is one of those people. My final analysis: white car was wrong to block the intersection, bike guy was wrong to try and gun through the gap. Nobody is right here, and they both lose.

nermal > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 05/05/2015 at 15:06

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Your second pic shows the bike approaching redline, assuming in 1st gear. I can’t tell exactly what model bike it is, but it looks like an older Honda sportbike of some sort. Not something like a new literbike that will do ~90 mph (!) in 1st, but not a Harley that will only do 20 mph in 1st either. Let’s call his speed, conservatively, around 50 mph at that point. That’s wayyyyyyyyyyy too fast.

He would have been fine if he didn’t need to prove a point by launching that hard. Give it time, he’ll be a statistic eventually.

thebigbossyboss > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 05/05/2015 at 15:13

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I never claimed you were in ontario.

Whether lawfully in the intersection or not, you can’t just ram a car because you don’t like them. Which is what he did. Perhaps the accord driver panicked having a missile charge him so that’s why he moved forward. Perhaps he was planning his escape. Either way the motorcyclist is at fault and caused this accident.

Speaking of free countries...I believe just today we are celebrating Canada’s Liberation of the Netherlands from Nazi Germany. We do free.

thebigbossyboss > nermal 05/05/2015 at 15:14

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Agreed. He took off like a bat out of hell.

thebigbossyboss > Rico 05/05/2015 at 15:15

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Yeah I am agreeing with you. The cars were not right to block it, but the motorcycle was the architect of his own demise.

cnessel27 > scoob 05/05/2015 at 15:19

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The guy in the accord looked like he was steering to the right when he was moving forward (like he was trying to get out of the way of traffic in general), and looked to be moving forward well before the bike was half way between where it was stopped and where it hit so if the biker had been going a reasonable speed would have had time to slow it down. Also no one is in the right when they launch from a light like that with traffic the way it was, I think the biker was just trying to scare the accord by going fast in front of him but didn’t take into account that going to fast might not allow the accord driver to react if it was closing the gap. I doubt the accord even saw him until it was to late.

jariten1781 > scoob 05/05/2015 at 15:25

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Legally, it would depend where they are.

MUTCD does not have a ‘don’t block the box’ restriction. It says:

Vehicular traffic facing a CIRCULAR GREEN signal indication is permitted to proceed straight through or turn right or left or make a U-turn movement except as such movement is modified by lane-use signs, turn prohibition signs, lane markings, roadway design, separate turn signal indications, or other traffic control devices. Such vehicular traffic, including vehicles turning right or left or making a U-turn movement, shall yield the right-of-way to: (a) Pedestrians lawfully within an associated crosswalk, and (b) Other vehicles lawfully within the intersection

Some states just ape that and their green definition is (VA’s for example):

Green indicates the traffic shall move in the direction of the signal and remain in motion as long as the green signal is given, except that such traffic shall yield to other vehicles and pedestrians lawfully within the intersection.

Which means that they can enter the intersection even if they can’t clear it. Then when the light turns red they are legally in the intersection meaning the motorcycle would have to yield making this 100% his fault in those jurisdictions.

Others have the ‘don’t block the box’ restriction meaning that the Accord violated that and technically broke the law. However, there is a general driving concept (not statute) that a driver must avoid an accident if a generally competent driver would do so (lots of precedence meaning it holds water). Police can’t write a ticket for it, however when it goes to court they would rule that the motorcycle violated that principle and would bear partial to all responsibility. If it was a bench trial it’d probably go 50-50...if it was a jury trial...who knows, they’re always a toss of the dice, but unless there was a rider on the jury I’m betting the motorcycle would be on the losing end (again).

Insurance-wise...they’d probably call it 50-50.

Only way it could be 100% car’s fault is if a large number of witnesses verify that the Accord waited for the bike to go and purposefully pulled forward to hit him. Video doesn’t show that so I doubt it happened.

TLDR: Between 50-50 and 100% bikers fault legally, insurance-wise, and via driving principles.

cnessel27 > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 05/05/2015 at 15:27

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I don’t think the accord was trying to be a dick and pull forward to close the gap. He had his wheels turned to the right like he wa trying to get out of the way. He wasn’t expecting a motorcycle to come rocketing at him out of his peripheral vision.

lonestranger > thebigbossyboss 05/05/2015 at 15:29

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I don’t disagree. It just boggles the mind that not one, not two, but FIVE drivers are so stupid as to completely block the intersection.

TacoBellHotSauce > scoob 05/05/2015 at 15:32

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Really? Not yet?

ok,

here it is.

Rico > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 05/05/2015 at 16:13

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I would’ve went through slowly. I’m not trying to hate because if I rode a motorcycle I would be cutting through traffic and running lights all the time lol.

thebigbossyboss > ttyymmnn 05/05/2015 at 19:22

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“looking for trouble and found it” YESSSS!!!! what’s that saying ...”right....dead right”