"MegaSuper" (megasuper)
04/13/2015 at 14:48 • Filed to: None
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"MegaSuper" (megasuper)
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I don't know if we'll be on the R36 GTR by the time the new Supra comes out, but let's just assume for now we won't be: Will these cars all compete in the same category, or do they each have different intents?
It seems to me the new NSX will be $150K+, if not higher. I think their target is the Ferrari 458, no? Plus it has to be as comfortable as any other Acura.
Then the GTR's calling card is more budget supercar, right? So their target might be 911 Turbo, even though it can take on something even higher, like a Ferrari. However, it can be cheaper (current MSRP is around $100K, right?) because they can cut corners on interior quality and comfort.
The new Supra has me thrown for a curveball though…it's supposedly sharing a platform or something with the new BMW Z4. Wouldn't that make it smaller than the other 2, physically? Any ideas on if it'll be a sports car/supercar/lightweight track-style car/GT car? What do you think its closest competitor would be?
And for comparison's sake, was it like this in the 90s? (You'd have to pick a non-North American market I suppose because the R34 Skyline was only ever officially exported to the UK.)
Was the R34 considered a supercar of its time? Or more of a Japanese muscle car?
Some people say the MKIV Supra is a bona-fide sports car, but I could have sworn reviews back then said it was a little on the GT side, but not as much as, say, a 300ZX or a 3000GT.
Which 2 Japanese sports cars were closest head-to-head competitors back in the 90s? Where does the RX7 fit in all of this?
TheHondaBro
> MegaSuper
04/13/2015 at 14:55 |
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I never thought the NSX competed with the Supra and GT-R. The NSX was sort of a supercar that competed with Ferrari, while the GT-R and Supra competed against each other. That being said, there is a good chance the new NSX will be about as fast as the GT-R, but the Supra could be a completely different beast, given it's on a Z4 chassis.
The RX7 competes with boiling water... Get it? Hue hue hue
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MegaSuper
> TheHondaBro
04/13/2015 at 14:58 |
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Yeah, I think it was priced too high compared to the others to be a competitor, right?
Did people actually see it as a Ferrari competitor at the time though? I know it's an amazing car in terms of handling, but some people on here who have driven one said that it just feels too slow. So then you look towards the GT-R and Supra, which have more power, but then I've heard that the Supra is too heavy, and GT-R doesn't feel that fast stock.
I've heard nothing but praise for the RX7…well, other than the engine when things go wrong. I've read though that with the right cooling upgrades it's no problem however.
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TheHondaBro
> MegaSuper
04/13/2015 at 15:00 |
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The NSX was the "reliable Ferrari," so yes they competed. The current NSX goes against the 488GTB.
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MegaSuper
> TheHondaBro
04/13/2015 at 15:05 |
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Wow, that's a high bar.
So then what do you suppose the R36's reason for being will be then? To beat the NSX for less money by cutting corners on comfort? If so, then I could see the new Supra being even cheaper, and going for a more traditional sports car approach, like the Z4 itself.
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TheHondaBro
> MegaSuper
04/13/2015 at 15:12 |
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The way I see it, the R36 will continue the R35's mission to crush the fastest while maintaining a bargain price. The NSX will compete with the (for lack of a better word) "standard" supercars (R8, 488GTB, etc.) as it always has, and the Supra will be a hardcore GT car, as it will be built on the Z4 chassis.
I'm not setting the bar high by saying the NSX will compete with the 488GTB, the original NSX destroyed Ferraris that had much more power. The new NSX has at least 550HP and insane levels of race-spec tuning, as did the original NSX. I wouldn't be surprised if it proved to be better than the Ferrari.
Textured Soy Protein
> MegaSuper
04/13/2015 at 15:40 |
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Back in the 90s the RX-7, 300ZX Twin Turbo, Supra Turbo, 3000GT VR-4, and Corvette were similar prices. The NSX was more priced like a non-turbo 911. I'm not sure how the GT-R fit in with the rest of those in Japan, but I believe it wasn't much more expensive than the turbo Z.
But, looking at GT-R prices nowadays isn't a direct comparison. It's now a separate model unto itself rather than the top Skyline trim level. So it's been priced more along the lines of a non-turbo 911, kinda like how the NSX used to be.
While the Supra & Z4 are going to share an architecture, BMW & Toyota have already talked about how they're going to be different wheelbases and compete in different market segments.
I'd say it's likely that the GT-R sticks around in its current price bracket, the Supra will be priced similarly or a little less, and the NSX will be a good bit more. The only difference is the GT-R and Supra will both be a good deal more expensive than a base Corvette, unlike how they were in the 90s.