Hey car manufacturers.

"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock) 04/11/2015 at 07:49 • Filed to: None

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Y U NO TIMING CHAIN. My Renault will be due a timing belt in the next year or so (interval is 72k or 5 years) the car has done 35k and is 4 and a half years old. All the others I viewed were several years overdue for a belt (some were even overdue an oil change), it seems people rarely bother to change them.

My Panda used a chain and my gfs Micra uses a chain too. There should be chains on every car, belts are terrible. The price to change one at a shop can apparently range from £400 to £1000. I'll probably just do it myself.

TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/11/2015 at 07:51

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Ah, but timing chains on an Audi, that's another matter entirely...

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut 04/11/2015 at 07:53

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Yeah I've heard about that whole deal on the S4. To be fair my Panda had a bit of a chain rattle when cold and will probably need a new one and new guides in the next couple years. That's probably a worse job than changing my timing belt.

DoYouEvenShift > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/11/2015 at 08:00

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Chains are great, as long as they dont go too crazy with them.

deekster_caddy > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/11/2015 at 08:00

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Timing chains aren't perfect either, but still better than a belt IMO. Also, interference engines FTMFL.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > DoYouEvenShift 04/11/2015 at 08:01

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So many horror stories about those audis.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/11/2015 at 08:02

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you don't want to know about GM HFV6 timing chains either.

also used in some Alfa Romeos

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > deekster_caddy 04/11/2015 at 08:02

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I'd rather have a chain for sure. We had an 82k miles Micra with no chain rattle that ran great. My Twingo will likely be on it's third belt by then.

deekster_caddy > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/11/2015 at 08:05

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I was looking up the timing belt job recently for our '08 Passat (just over 100K miles) and was very pleased to discover it has a chain! Bonus!

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > pip bip - choose Corrour 04/11/2015 at 08:08

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Were they prone to failure likes?

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > deekster_caddy 04/11/2015 at 08:09

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I wish mine was. At least it's an easy job since it's SOHC the belt only goes around the cam, crank, water pump and tensioner.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/11/2015 at 08:13

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mainly not failures as such , just stretching and triggering CEL , and at AUD$2500 to fix , yeah not great!

mind you have had a couple of them break.

pip bip - choose Corrour > DoYouEvenShift 04/11/2015 at 08:15

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German humour that!

MultiplaOrgasms > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/11/2015 at 08:18

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Bitch pls, shaft drive:

Cé hé sin > TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut 04/11/2015 at 08:21

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Or BMWs.

Cé hé sin > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/11/2015 at 08:24

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My mother has had many Micras and she just has belts changed when they broke. You can get away with that on a non interference engine. Not on my FTO though so I'm on no. 3.

DoYouEvenShift > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/11/2015 at 08:49

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Gear drive!!

A little noisy though.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > pip bip - choose Corrour 04/11/2015 at 09:01

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Nonsense! Ze Germans do not have sense of humor!

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > DoYouEvenShift 04/11/2015 at 09:10

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A tuning company converted a 4AGE to gear drive, I forget who now.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Cé hé sin 04/11/2015 at 09:11

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Do the newer Micras not use chains? Our 2002s do.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > pip bip - choose Corrour 04/11/2015 at 09:13

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Ouch, timing belts sound cheap compared to that.

Jayhawk Jake > deekster_caddy 04/11/2015 at 09:17

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100% this. While a chain would be preferable at least make it so that the rubber wear item won't destroy the engine if it fails.

Not that I'm an expert or anything...but as an aero engineer the idea of a single point catastrophic failure makes me cringe so hard

Cé hé sin > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/11/2015 at 10:02

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They may well do - many makers have abandoned belts for reliability and space reasons - but this was a Mk1.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Cé hé sin 04/11/2015 at 10:13

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Ah we have mk2s. CG10DE engine I believe. Tough, reliable little engines.

ly2v8-Brian > pip bip - choose Corrour 04/11/2015 at 10:21

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Brera specifically

ly2v8-Brian > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/11/2015 at 10:24

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LS swap all of the things!

DoYouEvenShift > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/11/2015 at 10:44

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Thats a Toyota motor right?

CaptDale - is secretly British > ly2v8-Brian 04/11/2015 at 11:36

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Or just buy a car with an LS, done!

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > DoYouEvenShift 04/11/2015 at 11:42

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Yeah Toyota 4 cylinder. Pretty popular in some circles.

vwbeamer > deekster_caddy 04/11/2015 at 11:43

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You would never have an overhead cam diesel.

ly2v8-Brian > CaptDale - is secretly British 04/11/2015 at 12:11

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way ahead of ya

CaptDale - is secretly British > ly2v8-Brian 04/11/2015 at 12:15

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Lol, its what I did too

Mattbob > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 04/13/2015 at 09:45

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one of my requirements when buying a car is a timing chain. I feel your pain.

Mattbob > DoYouEvenShift 04/13/2015 at 09:47

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I show this picture to people any time they talk about how great audis are. I wouldn't touch an audi off warranty with a ten foot pole.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Mattbob 04/13/2015 at 09:53

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I was pretty set on getting a car with a chain, I did last time, but I just liked this car enough to put up with it. At least I can do the swap myself for less than £150.