"Katsumoto" (katsumoto)
04/01/2015 at 20:22 • Filed to: None
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"Katsumoto" (katsumoto)
04/01/2015 at 20:22 • Filed to: None | 0
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Ok, I'm a little lost on non CDL laws in regards to me, and my current situation.
My uncle has a Dodge Ram 3500, 5th wheel trailer. He has a business, but he is unable to do it for a few months following an upcoming surgery.
He asked me if I'd be willing to fill in for him, and if I did well enough he'd allow me to take it over.
Here's where I get lost. My DMV isn't providing a clear enough answer, the state trooper outpost isn't either. Both of which I visited in person, and called others.
There's nothing special or fancy about his truck, it's the same type of Dodge Ram you'd buy from the dealer, his has mileage on it, and some stickers. The trailer is a standard 4 car carrier style trailer. Again, neither is nothing specific.
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Is where I found the most helpful info. Laws and regulations are worded in a precise manner. I'm lost on this.
Any combination of vehicles with a combined gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more, provided the gross vehicle weight rating of the vehicle or vehicles being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds;
From what I understand of it so far, I am allowed to operate his business while he's down, as long as the truck, and trailer(trailer loaded with vehicles, including it's weight) DOES NOT, I repeat, DOES NOT exceed 26,000 lbs. Is what I'm trying to figure out.
According to that, if the truck, trailer, and for example 3 vehicles being transported on said trailer are 25,999 or less pounds. Is what I understand of it. I'm willing to do it, provided I don't need a CDL right away.
I do plan on getting one when he returns, just trying to help him, then go work with him on this together when he does come back.
I live in the wonderful state of Ohio. I have NOTHING holding me from getting a CDL. Just haven't needed one for the jobs I've worked. Just trying to understand it, so if I ran into a situation I could be prepared. Any help is appreciated.
Especially for those who do, something similar. The 3500 series trucks with trailers of cars or hauling whatever. Thanks
EDIT: Got an answer from a friend of the family in regards to this. As long as I'm under 25,999 lbs with the truck (its contents) the loaded trailer, I'm legal.
dogisbadob
> Katsumoto
04/01/2015 at 20:33 |
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CDL laws are set by the feds, so they're the same in all 50 states.
Check this out. According to this chart, you probably need a CDL
Remember, it goes by GVWR, *not* curb weight. So whether it's loaded or empty, it's still considered to weigh the full GVWR.
What is the GVWR as labeled on the truck? It will either be written on the door, and/or on a label on the door or the frame or whatever. The GVWR of some of those one-ton trucks can be over 10000, plus the GVWR of the trailer. Figure three cars weigh about 10000 lb, plus the weight of the trailer, and some kind of safety factor built in. Most likely over 26k total.
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Katsumoto
> dogisbadob
04/01/2015 at 20:39 |
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From a PDF listing all the 2010 Ram 3500 Crew Cab Short Bed 4x4 is GVWR of 10,100.
I'm unsure of the trailer, but he knows it all by heart.
If it all weights 25,999 or less I'm allowed according to Ohio law. Which is the state I'll be operating in anyway.
Finmo
> Katsumoto
04/01/2015 at 20:42 |
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"Got an answer from a friend of the family in regards to this. As long as I'm under 25,999 lbs with the truck (its contents) the loaded trailer, I'm legal."
This is wrong. According to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations, what matters is the RATING not the actual curb weight for licensing considerations.
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dogisbadob
> Katsumoto
04/01/2015 at 20:50 |
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Figure about 5000 for each car, times four, plus the weight of the trailer itself. That trailer is almost certainly rated at least 20000.
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Katsumoto
> dogisbadob
04/01/2015 at 20:54 |
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It's meant to haul 4 cars, but he uses 3 on it. To account for the length of trucks. Since not every car is built to say coupes are 12 feet long, sedans 14 feet, and so on.
He bought it to fit into a law which is stupid. Saying any thing couldn't hang off the back of a trailer without an oversize permit. For example, the ass end of a pickup, the wheels are on it, but the part of the bed and rear bumper isn't allowed to hang off, so buy a bigger trailer and be done with it.