Last Day Of Work At A Japanese Auto Supplier AMA

Kinja'd!!! "Sweet Trav" (thespunbearing)
03/20/2015 at 09:50 • Filed to: None

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Kinja'd!!! RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 09:54

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This is not a question, but a note that may interest you: Dale Schwarz of Schwarz Performance lurked your chassis post yesterday... and linked me to a build thread of a Schwarz setup being used for an El Camino:

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/http-www-pro-t…


Kinja'd!!! K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 10:08

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Did you have "fun".


Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
03/20/2015 at 10:09

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If by fun you mean work with a company that doesn't understand the concept of a supply chain, inventory management, or the meaning of the word "promise" yes, yes I had "fun"


Kinja'd!!! Mattbob > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 10:18

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what did you supply and what was your role?


Kinja'd!!! unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 10:28

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how many shits out a scale of 10 did you give while working there?


Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > Mattbob
03/20/2015 at 10:34

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Wheel Hubs, Belt Tensioners, and Clutch release bearings. I was an account manager for the Aftermarket Business Unit.


Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins)
03/20/2015 at 10:35

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At times, a full 10/10 shits. Once I realized that things weren't going to change and no one would hear any criticism of the way "Japan" does business just enough shits to not get immediately fired.


Kinja'd!!! 450X_FTW > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 10:43

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Are you leaving the Japanese supplier for a competitor? Better pay?


Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > 450X_FTW
03/20/2015 at 10:45

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Still automotive, different type of parts. but better location, trading a 90 mile round trip for a 25 mile round trip and better pay + car allowance.


Kinja'd!!! 450X_FTW > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 10:47

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Nice. I left the big 3 about 6 months ago to join a tier 1 supplier, and it's been 10 times better at least.


Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > 450X_FTW
03/20/2015 at 10:48

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I'm going from the Aftermarket to OEM supplier. We'll see how this goes lol.


Kinja'd!!! Sejji > 450X_FTW
03/20/2015 at 11:01

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Whoa, I'm at the OEM, and I'd be terrified to leave for one of the Tier 1's. Interesting!


Kinja'd!!! Rico > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 11:05

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Can you really overnight parts from Japan?


Kinja'd!!! 450X_FTW > Sejji
03/20/2015 at 11:06

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There's way too much bullshit politics at the OEM level. Too much micro management. The company I'm at now is a hands off "show me what you can do" type of job. At OEM our director made a couple hundred grand a year, and one time in my 3 years there he showed his appreciation by dropping a whopping $50 for 10 hot n ready pizzas one day for lunch. And the bonus was shit. Now at the tier 1 level, our director will buy us all lunch almost every other month. We get a raise and a bonus every year just to keep us happy and from leaving for a competitor. Christmas time we all got little gifts, jacket, gift card. Never had ANY treatment like that at the OEM. And it wasn't just the office who gets perks, even the janitor gets the same treatment , as do the people working on the assembly lines building are parts.


Kinja'd!!! Milky > Rico
03/20/2015 at 11:13

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You can, but you still have to pick them up from the shop.

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Kinja'd!!! DrJohannVegas > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 11:13

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Boxers or briefs?


Kinja'd!!! Sejji > 450X_FTW
03/20/2015 at 11:14

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Hmm curious, do you live near nashville or columbus? :D

I'm in Erlanger, and one of my exit plans if I don't want to go to Dallas possibly involved moving to one of those two... cities.


Kinja'd!!! 450X_FTW > Sejji
03/20/2015 at 11:15

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Nope. SE Michigan, plenty of auto jobs


Kinja'd!!! Street Surgeon > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 11:20

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What are some of the criticisms you had against the way "Japan" did business? Also, why the quotes? :D


Kinja'd!!! StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > 450X_FTW
03/20/2015 at 11:20

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Interesting. I work at an OEM right now, not quite as bad as what you are talking about. But, all directors are different. Still, don't get those other perks you have now. Best of luck!


Kinja'd!!! 450X_FTW > StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8
03/20/2015 at 11:22

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It was just nice to see everyone from the high management to the guy who sweeps the floor receive the same type of treatment and perks. Definitely do not get that at the OEM level. I'm sure part of it is because we're non-union


Kinja'd!!! StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > 450X_FTW
03/20/2015 at 11:34

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Pretty sure thats why. Thats the biggest thing I hate about OEM is the union. God forbid I grab a pallet jack and move an engine around, thats someone elses job!


Kinja'd!!! Mattbob > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 12:12

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where you headed? still automotive?


Kinja'd!!! yamahog > DrJohannVegas
03/20/2015 at 12:15

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underpants? in MY household?? Nah, bro.


Kinja'd!!! DrJohannVegas > yamahog
03/20/2015 at 12:16

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Shame on me for restricting the options in such a way.

Also, don't bro me if you don't know me...bro.


Kinja'd!!! Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 12:19

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If you had to choose to drive one daily for a year without modifying, which one would you choose:

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Complete with the 5.7 diesel.

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Kinja'd!!! 450X_FTW > StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8
03/20/2015 at 12:47

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After college I started in the non-union auto company, where you could actually go out to the shop and work WITH the mechanics on a project, that way you could get hands on experience about your products. Then I went to an OEM union facility, and holy shit if you dare touch a tool you might as well just turn in your ID that day.


Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
03/20/2015 at 12:48

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The Ferd


Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > Street Surgeon
03/20/2015 at 13:02

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My biggest criticism, we would place a production order, outside of lead time, say 5 months. Japan would cancel our production order off the system without telling us, or they would leave a production order on, and simply not build our parts. keep in mind they never notified of us that they changed our production or did not produce our parts, not to mention that in order for a part to be considered "late" it had to be 2 months past due, my customers would blow me up if i was a day past due. We have promised dates to our customers based on lead times. customer orders respecting the lead time, we confirm production, and give them a no later than date. dont you look like a fool after 5 months and you cant get a part?

Second criticism. Instead of carrying inventory to smooth out the bumps when japan decides not to produce, we were forced to operate as a just in time model. problem is, our customers do not provide forecast. they just want their parts now. the aftermarket worked mostly like a retail store. if we didnt have parts on the shelf, we lost the sale. Imagine if Autozone told you 5 months to get a car part. you'd go somewhere else.

And the thing standing in their way was the Japanese management of never acknowledging that we have a problem, and a "gaijin" (outsider aka non-japanese person) could never be the one to come up with a solution to a problem. Even if you showed a Japanese person a better way to do something, he would review, act like he agreed and knew what you were talking about, and then go back to his boss and run "business as usual"

If you ever have ambition, vision, or drive to fix broken processes, do not work for a Japanese company. The Japanese only take orders and copy and improve ideas, they do not innovate. They do not think for themselves. They accept only what they are told from a Japanese superior. I'm not talking about Japanese-Americans, or people of Japanese decent, I'm talking about my limited experience working with multiple Japanese Nationals working in the United States who have a boss in Japan.


Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > Mattbob
03/20/2015 at 13:02

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Yep. For an OEM though.


Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > DrJohannVegas
03/20/2015 at 13:03

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Boxerbriefs, when Yamahog allows.


Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > Rico
03/20/2015 at 13:04

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You can't even get parts from Japan half the time. The Myth of Japanese productivity is hilarious. They get so much done because they work 80 hours a week.

And yes you can air in parts, however it will extremely expensive as the port delays have airfreight being calculated at 3.5x normal airfreight costs.


Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > Sejji
03/20/2015 at 13:06

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Lots of Auto Jobs in Michigan right now.


Kinja'd!!! Mattbob > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 13:19

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oh snap! Moving up! Japanese still? Domestic? German????


Kinja'd!!! yamahog > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 13:27

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#thematriarchy


Kinja'd!!! RockRam > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 13:35

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So there was no evidence of Kaizen, Lean or 6 sigma being enforced in the workplace?


Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > RockRam
03/20/2015 at 14:14

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On the contrary, everyone was so busy working on those pointless, statistically impossible bullshit business models that the more basic aspects of running the business was neglected. like making sure that we had enough inventory to cover our orders...

Kaizen, Lean and Six Sigma all fail to take into account variation in the global trade market. the second a port shuts down or a shipment is delayed or sinks coming from Japan (it happened to us), everyone is entirely boned.

Were I to run a business, I'd probably kick out anyone who said any of those utterly pedantic buzzwords. A business should run moderately fatter than "lean" just to ride out the bumps and bruises that will happen, improve your process, but not at the cost of doing it just to do it. And six sigma is just a way for instructors and indepents to make money. it offers little real world improvement.

Just focus on the customer and everything else will fix itself. essentially.

http://www.qualitydigest.com/may00/html/six…

http://qualityandprocess.blogspot.com/2011/07/guest-…


Kinja'd!!! RockRam > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 15:01

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Preach. haha good shit. Yea I was a supply chain ops major and they drilled those words into us. They essentially made Demming into a God. But yea that makes sense. I dabble into importing goods now and all those concepts kind of go out the window. It's all about the customer and just being a decent human being.


Kinja'd!!! StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > 450X_FTW
03/20/2015 at 15:08

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Haha I know the feeling. It helps if you get along with the tech, but some are just so old school if you even look at their tools you are getting a grievance written against you.


Kinja'd!!! Santiago of Escuderia Boricua > Sweet Trav
03/20/2015 at 15:36

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But if they can't use those buzzwords all the time, what will middle management use to justify their jobs?


Kinja'd!!! DrJohannVegas > yamahog
03/20/2015 at 16:51

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Kinja'd!!! yamahog > DrJohannVegas
03/20/2015 at 17:02

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Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > Santiago of Escuderia Boricua
03/20/2015 at 17:40

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Work. Not Platitudes.


Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > RockRam
03/20/2015 at 17:42

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EXACTLY. The best policy is under promise and over deliver. Relationships win business.

Especially when everyone is buying low, selling high, paying late and doing it all with someone else's money.


Kinja'd!!! Sweet Trav > Mattbob
03/20/2015 at 18:07

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Domestic. Big 3.


Kinja'd!!! DrJohannVegas > yamahog
03/20/2015 at 21:25

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Change we can believe in. Because if we don't, we get killed.