The opposite lock pirelli cinturato p7 all season no on asked for 

"itschrome" (itschrome) 03/04/2015 at 09:06 • Filed to: None

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Last month I upgraded the tires on my 2004 Cadillac Seville, from the god awful General HP max tires the previous owner put on to a brand new set of pirelli cinturato p7 all season plus. The Generals were god awful in every way, they tracked poorly, always seeming to wander all over the road. Wet and snow traction was a joke even despite having more than 50% tread life left on the tire. Cornering and dry traction wasn't much better. Even though My car does lay down some hefty power those tires broke loose way too much for any sort of comfort for me.

Any ways those are in the past. the shitty dark past that stands as another but a reminder that General tires are never worth what you pay for them! they were a liability as winter got down and dirty, trowing it's worst at me, thus getting me stuck numerous times. I had enough! So with my tax return in hand I started my research. I looked over the pro's and cons of many tires. before choosing the pirelli cinturato p7 all season plus, but no matter what I looked at and no matter what I read I kept going back to these guys. according to some reviews I saw they kept pace with or out preformed tires running as much at $30 their premium!

So on Valentines day I took my love over to Dunn tire for some new shoes and an alignment! AT a cost of $118 a piece for my size they were a good deal.

Over the last month I have tested them in the wet, in snow and as of last night a full on ice storm. I can finally say with 100% confident these tires are great! In the snow they find traction in even the deepest of stuff, in the wet they rooster tail nicely pushing that water out of the way to find traction. I encountered a fairly good sized patch of standing water on the highway this morning and didn't notice any hydro planing. But they most surprised me last night during our ice storm! my traction control did not kick in even once, nor did I find any loss of control or confident. Breaking was solid and steering was true. these tires excel in the wet, snow and ice. for an all season this impresses me to no end.

As with every all season there must be a con, a give to the take, for these tires. All seasons are in the end a compromise by their very nature. So then what are the cons of these tires? Well to be honest I haven't found it yet. The road noise is low, tracking is great, stopping is great, ride comfort is great, cornering is great and wet/dry/ice traction seems to be endless! to top this all off they claim to be made with low rolling resistance compounds, which to me usually means noisy, traction-less POS tires but so far this doesn't seem to be the case. My MPG goes unchanged as I have still be seeing 26 MPG high way and fuck all city (but that's not the tires fault). Still digging deeper for a con Pirelli rates these as a 70k tread life tire. now this is pure

conjecture but I don't think for a moment this is going to be fact. these tires just seem to sticky and soft to get any where near that tread life, how ever only time will tell!

Party-vi > itschrome 03/04/2015 at 09:29

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How could you get Pirellis when Michelin makes these?

Funktheduck > itschrome 03/04/2015 at 09:31

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Keep me posted. I'm looking for better tires when mine die. They're the Eco low rolling resistance tires that came with the car. They're not terrible but I can definitely tell the difference between them and normal all seasons.

itschrome > Party-vi 03/04/2015 at 09:51

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those are a good bit more expensive, don't come in my tire size and also that tread does not look very well suited for snow/ice.

itschrome > Funktheduck 03/04/2015 at 09:52

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I will try. Like I said so far I'm a big fan!

Party-vi > itschrome 03/04/2015 at 09:53

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Pro-Tip: If you got snow and ice, don't buy all seasons :P

itschrome > Party-vi 03/04/2015 at 10:01

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I dunno. gone 30 years living in the great white north. and I have had snow tires and all seasons. Truth of the matter is there is only a need for true snows maybe 3 or 4 days a year. Other wise well built all seasons are more than capable. Where I grew up it was very hilly and if I still lived there I would make the change to snows in the winter again, but even still hills or not snows really are not a necessity unless you live in the tundra.

pro-tip: snows are more or less a waste of money and often bought to compensate the lack of driver confidence behind the wheel.

Bryan doesn't drive a 1M > itschrome 03/04/2015 at 10:56

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But I thought we already learned that putting all seasons on your Subaru will make it instantly crash into a ditch where you'll stare enviously at all of the Corvettes and 370Zs flying by on snow tires.

Tohru > Party-vi 03/04/2015 at 12:00

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Dude I live in Wisconsin and drove this whole winter on either Cooper Cobras or Yokohama Avid Touring S tires. Snows are nice to have but you don't *need* them. I got my Escort stuck when I had Firestone Winterforces on it because I got too confident and understeered into a snowbank.

Party-vi > Tohru 03/04/2015 at 12:04

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itschrome said the Michelins don't look well suited for snow/ice. Of course they don't, they're all-seasons. Besides it's not like one can determine the effectiveness of an all season in snow just by looking at it.

Tohru > Party-vi 03/04/2015 at 12:30

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Are you saying you can't?

Wurrwulf > itschrome 03/04/2015 at 14:19

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I've had these on my '02 Outback for the last 6,000 miles or so, and I've been very impressed with them. I don't have to worry about snow or ice, but wet weather performance is very impressive. Wet weather braking and powering through standing water without hydroplaning is miles ahead of other tires that I've had.

itschrome > Party-vi 03/04/2015 at 14:26

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Oh you sure as hell can.. You're not from the north are you?

Party-vi > itschrome 03/04/2015 at 14:30

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I used to live in Iceland and have relatives in Indiana. I'm familiar with snowy conditions.

itschrome > Party-vi 03/04/2015 at 14:45

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But you can't look at the two tires posted here and tell why one would (should) preform better in snow and ice vs the other? I'm not sold on the validity of your statement here.

Party-vi > itschrome 03/04/2015 at 15:06

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Sipes in tires are good for water evacuation and on winter tires are used to hold snow for one or more rotations to provide traction. The effectiveness of a tire in cold and wintery conditions also depends on the rubber compound used on the tire. I know the helio compound in the A/S 3s work better at cold temperatures than other all season tires. The Pirelli you posted relies on all that siping to generate traction in snowy and cold conditions, while the Michelins use the shoulder blocks and compound for increased traction. I think you'd be pleasantly surprised to see how well the A/S 3 does against the Pirellis you purchased.

wacopalypsenow > itschrome 03/05/2015 at 16:08

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I have the older version of these, and no, like all A/S tires they are no great in ice and snow. Actually, ice isn't bad, and powdery snow is ok, but any slush just packs the tread immediately.

marcinmk > itschrome 12/17/2015 at 09:53

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Sure you don’t really “need” them as you can get by with AS tires and be more cautious but when I switched to snow tires in the midwest, I didn’t run into any issues with traction where-as 4WD/AWD cars were slipping and sliding. Plus if I have to make an emergency stop, the winter tires will help grip far better than any AS tire will.

Lathrash > itschrome 08/01/2016 at 15:53

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How are you liking these? I'm in the market for new tires and these seem to have tons of great reviews.

Niko Belezos > itschrome 10/27/2016 at 15:05

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I’m actually looking into the P7 Cintuartos. I need some good performance tires for year round use in New England and from what I’ve read, the P7s are great. I orginally had the Pirelli P Zero Nero All season, and they were decent, but had shitty tread life. Only lasted around 40k miles before they could no longer pass inspection. Although I’ve been driving on them for 8k since then and I’ve almost crashed about 5 times in the rain lol. And what was the exact model of the Generals that you were using if you don’t mind my asking? My first car was a 1997 Jaguar XJ6 short wheel base with old school traction control, and I installed the first generation General Altimax HPs, and they were amazing. I could do 110-115 in the rain, and cruise at 30 mph in near white out conditions when everyone else was going 15-20mph. On the highway, while everyone was going 25mph in the snow, I was in the breakdown lane with the cruise control set at 50mph. I never got stuck in those things, and I drove through several blizzards. Granted, if I turned off the traction control I was screwed, but as long as I kept it on, I was fine.