What is your car's cousin?

"EL_ULY" (uly) 09/06/2014 at 16:14 • Filed to: weekend question

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What is your car's closest equal model sharing similar mechanical components or brand engineering. Is it better or worse?

I guess for my C5 Avant Quattro it would be a Passat wagon 4 Motion with the 2.8 V6? Not sure.

For my W210 I guess it would be a Chrysler 300 right? Because it was the same chassis or something like that.

What about your cars OPPO?

jkm7680 > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:18

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B5 Passat is the closest to my B5 A4.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:18

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I like this game.

VW Phaeton/Bentley Continental Flying Spur. Though they're closer to the 2nd gen A8.

Manuél Ferrari > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:19

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My 911's closest cousin is the Beetle

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:19

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Buick LeSabre -> Pontiac Bonneville.

Same car with a worse interior and a supercharger.

scoob > Manuél Ferrari 09/06/2014 at 16:23

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/Thread

Manuél Ferrari > scoob 09/06/2014 at 16:24

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I wish my car was air cooled so that it would be more true.

Bandit > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:25

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My Trans Am is the classier, better looking, more powerful cousin of the Camaro

Manuél Ferrari > jkm7680 09/06/2014 at 16:25

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I always wondered about this. Do they share a chassis?

Jedidiah > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:26

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(Sigh) This is going to a long post.

Chevrolet Chevelle/Malibu/Monte Carlo - Roughly Equal (depending on the motor)

Chevrolet El-Camino/GMC Sprint - Better (because usefullness)

Buick Skylark/GS/GSX/Sport Wagon - Worse (Buick motors have stupid external oil pumps and thin cylinder walls)

Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser and Cutlass Cruiser (Better because Wagon)

Oldsmobile 442/Cutlass S/Cutlass Supreme SX/Ram Rod - Roughly equal (depending on trim)

Pontiac Lemans/GTO/Grand Prix - Roughly Equal (depending on motor)

I cannot think of any more cars based of the GM (68-72) a-body atm.

Brian, The Life of > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:26

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I can't really say the Fusion is better than the MKZ but it is better at being a mid sized everyman car than the Lincoln is at mid sized luxury.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:28

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Mazda 2. And it is inferior because of no mazdaspeed version. If it had one, it could potentially be superior........MMMMMMMMMMM SUBCOMPACT WITH A TURBOCHARGER AND AN LSD.......*drooooooooooooooooool*

Sn210 > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:28

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themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 09/06/2014 at 16:28

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The only answer here is to supercharge the lesabre.

Conan > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:30

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My Crossfire's closest cousin is the Mercedes Benz R170 SLK 320. The Crossfire is quicker, especially in SRT format. The SLK has less polarizing styling though I prefer the distinctiveness of the Crossfire.

mazda616 > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:32

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Sigh.

My car's cousins are numerous since the Ford C1 platform was utilized a lot.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_C1_p…

But these are its favorites:

Contrary to popular belief, the pre-2012 U.S. Ford Focus was not on the same platform as the Mazda3. The 3 was always on the C1 platform and the old-gen U.S. Focus was on the older C170 platform.

My car is happy to have such nice cousins.

jkm7680 > Manuél Ferrari 09/06/2014 at 16:33

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I believe they do share the same platform. Cf you want to take a closer look-see it's the Pl45. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswage…

Svend > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:34

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My Skoda Superb estate shares a lot with it's Audi A6 Avant cousin. Both have their pros and cons with the Audi being more tuned for the road while the Skoda is very nice tourer and daily driver. The Skoda is cheaper and in my mind better equiped for all round use.

PatBateman > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:35

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Lincoln Mark LT. Yick.

Manuél Ferrari > jkm7680 09/06/2014 at 16:35

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VAG is the king of platform sharing!

midengineer > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:35

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Celica All-Trac. Same motor but AWD and front engine as opposed to the MR2's mid-rear configuration.

DancesWithRotors - Driving Insightfully > mazda616 09/06/2014 at 16:37

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Howdy, cousin! (Yes, she's dirty, right now. I'm about to go outside and fix that.)

Diesel > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:38

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Cadillac Escalade. I test drove both and went with the one that I wanted to drive everyday.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 09/06/2014 at 16:40

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If someone gave me $350 I could do it and be making 310hp. There's a guy selling a supercharged 3800 with a blown block, but good tranny and heads. Combine that with my perfectly fine block and Robert is your relative.

jkm7680 > Manuél Ferrari 09/06/2014 at 16:41

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Haha, the 2.0/1.8 (t) have to be some of the most used engines. Pretty good ones also.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:41

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Works out because the Stratus has the "sportier" (note the "s) parts. My hood, sway bar, strut tower brace, autostick dash/shifter and a few other bits couldn't be found by searching for Sebring. But if you search for Stratus instead - Ta-dah! (mine's an '06 so the headlights and grille got a facelift hence the little differences)

Also fun fact, the 2 door coupe Sebring and Stratus share 0 interchangeable parts with the Sedan/Vert. Why? Because they're basically Mitsubishi Eclipses.

duurtlang > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:44

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I don't have 4 doors and don't have hydropneumatic suspension either, but this is my DD's cousin, as it's on the same platform and it shares some engines as well:

This is my toy's cousin:

And this is strongly related to my project. My project is a wagon though:

DD is a Peugeot 406 coupe, toy is a Peugeot 205 GTi, project is a six cylinder BMW E30 320i Touring.

Forgetful > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:46

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FR-S so the BRZ and the GT86

Here's a picture of my car next to my cousin's bike.

Manuél Ferrari > jkm7680 09/06/2014 at 16:50

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yea there are SO many of those puppies out there!

EL_ULY > jkm7680 09/06/2014 at 16:50

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ooooh, what about the C5 A6?

EL_ULY > Manuél Ferrari 09/06/2014 at 16:51

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Yeeees!

EL_ULY > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 09/06/2014 at 16:52

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can we call the Bonneville a murder bar stool?

EL_ULY > mazda616 09/06/2014 at 16:53

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yes. I confirmed with Takuro on our parts lookup pages at our dealerships

ranwhenparked > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:54

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Oddly, I believe the Mustang shares some parts of its platform with DEW98, so I guess the closest relatives would be the Lincoln LS, Jaguar S-Type, and '02-'05 Thunderbird, and a bit more distantly, the Jaguar XF.

EL_ULY > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 09/06/2014 at 16:54

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thats odd but very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Yay knowledge!

jkm7680 > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:54

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C5 seems to be mainly Audis, Which confuses me greatly :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswage…

EL_ULY > duurtlang 09/06/2014 at 16:55

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ooh ok. Did not know that. Thanks for sharing buddy

EL_ULY > Bandit 09/06/2014 at 16:55

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Lol best answer

EL_ULY > Sn210 09/06/2014 at 16:56

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better looking cousin at your garage

MultiplaOrgasms > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 16:56

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(Not mine but me mums since I don't has a car)

Yay

EL_ULY > Conan 09/06/2014 at 16:57

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hmmm I did not know that. Awesome!

EL_ULY > Brian, The Life of 09/06/2014 at 16:58

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true true. The latests Lincoln is so rad

EL_ULY > Forgetful 09/06/2014 at 16:59

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the awesome trio!

EL_ULY > Svend 09/06/2014 at 16:59

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cooool! I did not know that. Thaaanks buddy!

MultiplaOrgasms > duurtlang 09/06/2014 at 17:00

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Xantia Powerrrrrrrrrrrr!

ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:01

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02 Sable= 96-07 Taurus.

EL_ULY > ranwhenparked 09/06/2014 at 17:01

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yes that is true. I had an instructor that was a rwgional manager for Ford for about 35 years he said the Mustang was thiiiiis close to being a 4 door that year because of the Lincoln LS

cabarne4 > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:01

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My car hasn't got a cousin, but it has got a twin.

EL_ULY > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 09/06/2014 at 17:02

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Mazda 2 seems smaller than your though... right?

EL_ULY > midengineer 09/06/2014 at 17:02

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yeah that's true. Close enough :]

EL_ULY > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 09/06/2014 at 17:03

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awesome genes right there!

EL_ULY > Diesel 09/06/2014 at 17:03

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true true

EL_ULY > PatBateman 09/06/2014 at 17:04

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yeah, yuck indeed. I had to respond to your awesome post and "out comments" yours. Battle on!

CTSenVy > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:04

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They're cousins, identical cousins....

EL_ULY > Jedidiah 09/06/2014 at 17:05

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I wouldn't have thought the Lemans or the Cutlass from what I've seen. Awesome list though you muat admit

EL_ULY > jkm7680 09/06/2014 at 17:06

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someone here commented about a particular Skoda. I'll look more into it

EL_ULY > MultiplaOrgasms 09/06/2014 at 17:07

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Clios are ok :]

fhrblig > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:08

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Weirdly, it's the Ford Ka. (I drive a Fiat 500.)

EL_ULY > ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier 09/06/2014 at 17:08

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did they ever make a SHO of the Sable?

EL_ULY > CTSenVy 09/06/2014 at 17:09

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very similar indeed

Sn210 > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:10

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definitely!

EL_ULY > fhrblig 09/06/2014 at 17:10

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really? How so?

Vi517, JDX Racing > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:11

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For my Volvo C30:

2nd gen Ford Focus ST/RS (I like to think it's closer to the RS but it's not...) and the Mazdaspeed 3

EL_ULY > Vi517, JDX Racing 09/06/2014 at 17:12

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cool family!

MultiplaOrgasms > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:13

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My Mom drives an 06 Note. Same thing but slightly longer, uglier and worse. If only my dad had a 3rd gen Espace instead of a 4th gen, then I could say Avantime and Corvette lol.

Vi517, JDX Racing > Bandit 09/06/2014 at 17:13

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Is that a fifth gen Camaro on the right? I wonder how much it cost to do that.

ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:14

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1994 Sable AIV, SHO powered Sable with an aluminum body. Sadly the wrong generation for parts swapping (though I've been told that the rear springs might work....).

Jedidiah > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:15

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The GM a-body is one of my favorite chasis, they got a ton of variety out of it. Sure it wiggles like a wet noodle and doesn't have great front end geometry, but that is easily remidied with plentiful aftermarket parts.

The Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, ElCo/Sprint were long wheel base versions of the a-body called the g-body. The wagons were based off of a stretched wheelbase sedan, but it was still called the a-body. The convertibles ran on a boxed frame version.

The cars are not quite as similar as you'd think.

There are at least 4 different axles, Chevy 10-Bolt, Chevy 12-Bolt, BOP 10-bolt, and the Type O. Each division had their own small and big blocks aside from Pontiac, whose block design was shared across displacements. And they all had different interiors. Chevrolet and BOP used different bolt patterns for the trannies. The 442 had special sway-bars and different springs/shocks than the others.

Eazy-O > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:16

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Type 4 platform in the house!

SAAB 9000, Alfa Romeo 164, Fiat Croma, Lancia Thema. As you can see, I don't mind badge engineering. :)

Eazy-O > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 09/06/2014 at 17:20

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You forgot the GAZ Volga Siber ;)

For Mother Russia!

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Eazy-O 09/06/2014 at 17:22

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9/10 would have done a front end swap had I not already redone my headlights

Brickman > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:22

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3rd gen Dodge Caravan is closest to the poor cousin Plymouth Voyager and the richer Chrysler Town & Country :D

deekster_caddy > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 09/06/2014 at 17:22

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I like Buick's interiors a lot. Had a '98 Riv, '94 Regal, and still have my '73 LeSabre. Cousin Bonneville or Impala.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:25

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My e38's only cousin is the e39. Both share a lot of drivetain and electronics with each other. Besides that the e38 doesn't have a luxury sport barge cousin.

lonestranger > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:39

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2004 Sierra. Closest cousin: Silverado. Distant cousin? H2.

TheJWT > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:51

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Either the Nissan Primera/Infiniti G20 or Nissan NX2000. The Primera was a little bit heavier, and not all had LSDs, but the NX2000 is pretty much identical in terms of performance.

DasWauto > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:53

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The Z1 and to a smaller extent the e36 compact are cousins of my e30 and the contemporary (euro) Ford Focus and I believe Volvo S40 were cousins of my first gen Mazda3.

fhrblig > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 17:56

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The current Ford Ka is based on the Fiat 500 and built by Fiat in Poland.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 18:00

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The Safari is cousins to the Astro, they're exactly the same other than the GMC and Chevy badges.

The 2nd gen Vue is platform mates with the Equinox and Torrent. It shared the 3.6L engine with the Torrent and eventually the Equinox sport. The Vue is better than both of them IMO because it's interior is lightyears ahead of both.

The GMT800 Silverado and the Sierra, which are the same other than the tail lights and front fascia.

EL_ULY > MultiplaOrgasms 09/06/2014 at 18:04

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I had a hunch about the Note and the Clio, cool. Avantimes are so rad :]

EL_ULY > ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier 09/06/2014 at 18:05

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Cooooooool! I had no idea. Aluminum body, damn that is pretty awesome actually

vorspringing > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 18:07

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VW A platform, man. Mine has a lot of weird cousins.

At least I get to claim my personal favorite car name, the Skoda Yeti.

But there's also the Golf and the Beetle.

EL_ULY > Jedidiah 09/06/2014 at 18:08

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Ooo ok. So the G bodies were just extended versions of the A. Dang dude, I've been learning a bunch on this thread. All posts are awesome and full of stuff I pondered that are now either confirmed or disproven. Awesome knowledge buddy!

EL_ULY > Eazy-O 09/06/2014 at 18:09

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Duuude awesome! I had no idea, awesome genea for sure!

EL_ULY > Brickman 09/06/2014 at 18:10

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lol I remember a friend of mine had a green Caravan R/T or Sport. I don't remember exactly. Had the rear spoiler and nice wheels. Awesome!

ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 18:11

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One of 20 ever made, supposedly there are 2 left. That SHO powered one and 3.8 essex powered one. BUT Oppo might get a lowered Sable at some point.....

EL_ULY > unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) 09/06/2014 at 18:12

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true true. No BMW is all tied with Mini and growing with Toyota also

EL_ULY > lonestranger 09/06/2014 at 18:13

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I think I can count the H2 as well, judges..... yes

EL_ULY > TheJWT 09/06/2014 at 18:15

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I think all the G20's had limited slip diff right?

EL_ULY > DasWauto 09/06/2014 at 18:17

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yes on the S40 late 04 and up. E34 shared a lot of the e30's things but so did the e28. I owned a e28, 34, and 36 and I could bun some components from e30 on my 28 and 34 but not so much from 36

EL_ULY > fhrblig 09/06/2014 at 18:18

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woooow. I did not know that

EL_ULY > vorspringing 09/06/2014 at 18:20

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dang, I wouldn't have thought those. My A6 I found out here has more tiea to a specific Skoda than a similar looking VW. And yes, the Yeti is a rad name and you posted the best picture to represent that lol

EL_ULY > ShelbyRacer78-Fusion Modifier 09/06/2014 at 18:21

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sweeet!

MultiplaOrgasms > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 18:24

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Indeeeeeeeeeed.

TheJWT > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 18:25

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The sports trim did, the G20t didn't

EL_ULY > TheJWT 09/06/2014 at 18:29

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oh ik. Those are fun little cars

TheJWT > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 18:31

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I've never driven a G20, but if they're anything like my car (And I'd assume they are) then they've got to be fun!

promoted by the color red > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 18:48

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Engine's slightly smaller and it doesn't come with ABS, but it's pretty much the same car. Same exhaust tip, too.

No Prius Needed > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 19:06

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The Camry is my car's closest relative. Lexus ES300

mazda616 > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 19:18

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Confirmed the parts sharing? It's pretty interesting. Ford, Mazda, and Volvo all sent engineers to Europe to design the C1 platform together.

Jedidiah > EL_ULY 09/06/2014 at 19:27

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The g-bodies made after 79 were short wheel bases of the old a-body. The a-body designation was reassigned for a new fwd midsizes.

The original G-bodies (Monte Carlo and Grand Prix) were made around 68-72.