Man Arrested, Searched For Weed For Having Colorado License Plate

"PRBot II" (prbot2) 03/30/2014 at 04:20 • Filed to: traffic stops, idaho, colorado

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Breaking news out of Idaho! For a lack of anything else, Idaho State Police are now profiling drivers over which license plate they have. Because clearly everyone from Colorado is totally baked.

Amid recent allegations from junior Jalopnik correspondent Doug DeMuro that !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , new reports out of the Gem State detail a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . Suck it, DeMuro.

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70-year-old Darien Roseen has two homes, in Washington state and Colorado. He was returning from his daughter's baby shower, but after crossing the Oregon/Idaho border he was immediately pulled over.

"Immediately after Mr. Roseen passed his location, Trooper Klitch pulled out from the Interstate median, rapidly accelerating to catch up with Mr. Roseen's vehicle"

This poor guy knew he hadn't done anything wrong, so he had a feeling something was up.

"After Mr. Roseen identified his possession of valid prescription medications, Trooper Klitch asked him, 'When is the last time you used any marijuana?' thereby assuming that Mr. Roseen had, in fact, used marijuana and inferring that he had used it recently"

Roseen found himself in the back of a police cruiser and was read his Miranda rights. Despite being told he was not under arrest, he still ended up charged with "inattentive/careless driving" for bumping a curb while pulling over. If he wasn't under arrest, why was he read his Miranda rights?

Roseen is now seeking punitive damages for constitutional violations. And presumably because Trooper Buzz Killington was totally harshing his mellow.

Colorado legalized skunky nuggets in late 2012, thereby giving police a reason to profile you when travelling out of state. Apparently just having a Colorado tag on your vehicle makes you look like a couch-locked bleary-eyed pothead.

So Colorado residents beware. Whether you are possessing the sticky icky or not — they are in fact out to get you, man.

Image via Wikimedia Commons

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 04:25

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This is ridiculous. I'm not even angry because of how truly silly this situation is.

Side note: Do Idaho cops use this generation Magnum regularly? I want, I want, I want. In high school I wanted a used SRT-8 Magnum, in retrospect, it may have gotten me in serious trouble.

CRider > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 03/30/2014 at 04:31

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What do you mean, that generation Magnum? I admit I've never been to Idaho, but I can't see cops there driving these.

Bluecold > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 07:22

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So yeah, we say 'serve and protect' and then we buy cars that look to be designed solely to 'assault and intimidate'. You're a cop, not a soldier. You don't need a tank. You need to be approachable.

Sunray09 > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 08:09

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ACLU better get on this stat..

pfftballer > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 08:38

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Did he sniff him out with the Robonose?

Also, well done with the aptly played "Suck it, DeMuro" line.

Radioactive_Lego > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 08:40

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sigh Guess were I won't be vacationing this year? ...oh wait, Idaho? Is that really a real place? Rilly really? WIBD

Northwind79 > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 03/30/2014 at 08:44

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Thought the same thing when I saw that shot, it looks absolutely wicked.

Slave2anMG > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 08:48

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Hey, I feel safer....bastards.

Nacon > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 08:51

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GOOD, that's how it should be done!

Stupid freakin stoners and their legal-state crap.

CorridoreItalico > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 08:51

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so, how can we be sure the colorado guy wasn't driving recklessly?

Nacon > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 03/30/2014 at 08:51

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Meh

webmonkees > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 08:52

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'Why'd you pull me over?'

"Officially, for errors you made when I pulled you over."

'What? I don't understand.'

"Well, sir, as a senior citizen of thees United States, you should understand that we know better throughout your entire life cycle. Comply, please."

'To what? I'm confused.'

"So you admit being confused. When was the last time you used any marijuana?"

phDiesel > CRider 03/30/2014 at 08:52

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There were two gens of the Magnum. Very little changed but the headlights got smaller.

Mr. Bourke > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 08:53

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CO residents know this, man.

Nacon > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 08:55

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HA! Be sure to tell that to an officer when they pull you over in one of those.

CorridoreItalico > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 08:55

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as a matter of fact you will not find this kind of equipment on European cop cars.

That said we are not obsessed with guns like most Americans so cops are never really put in danger, therefore nobody feels the need to give them this kind of rams or such.

Turbineguy: Nom de Zoom > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 08:56

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The guy is 70, so unless he resembles Willie Nelson what legitimate reason did the cop have for hassling him?

LongbowMkII > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 08:59

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Brush guard /= tank

Someone seems a bit paranoid with mild hallucinations.

cesariojpn > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 03/30/2014 at 09:01

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Oh poo, the site is borked.

Ayeco > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:10

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"Now you know what it feels like", said by anyone who lives near the Mexico / US border.

KWBV77 > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:11

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try driving in certain states having a hispanic flag sticker on your car.... they will try to get INS involved..

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 03/30/2014 at 09:11

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Not sure about Idaho, but the town next store used Magnums and Chargers. They are just getting replaced and going up for sale too!
I have a dumb love for the Magnum.

Josephum > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 09:11

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I don't think the brightest bulbs of any generation are drawn to be leo's. Too many tired lips after attempting Hobbes. Calvin and Hobbes.

ByteStryke > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:16

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Jees, I wonder why the Public no longer trusts the Law enforcement community?

syaieya > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:17

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Having an out of state plate at all will kind of make you a target flat out. Even if it's a silly reason to pull you over, if you can't get out of it right then and there you still have to take care of it down the line.

I know I got pulled out of a pack of ten cars one time in Frankfurt, Kentucky and oh that cop gave me the run around. Got real weirded out when I went to pull out my wallet and even wanted to search the car.

I blame front plates. Helping absolutely no one.

$kaycog > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:19

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Weed? What weed?

Eric the RC guy > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 09:20

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A brush guard says assault and intimidate to you? To me it says "maybe my work will require me to drive off road, I would prefer to avoid broken plastic and lights up front."

Sun-Tzubaru - With Zoom-Zoom > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 09:21

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Instead of taking a difficult look at the source of what drives crime and stopping/preveinting it there, we decide to get 'tough on crime' instead and it wastes a fuckton of money on stupid shit that only makes the situation worse (but hey, it gets votes!!!!). I swear it's like nobody understands cause-and-effect. /rant

blacksapphire08 > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:21

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So Idaho is like the Oklahoma of the Northwest then? The simple solution would be to legalize it nationally but even then it probably wouldnt stop the discrimination. Im thinking Super Troopers now.

steve_snj > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:24

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Guess what would happen to the weed if they found some? duh!

dumpsterfire! > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:26

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because nobody ever exaggerated the truth when filing a lawsuit.

perhaps his "valid prescription medication" was colorado kind bud because medical MJ was legal here before the recreational ganj

thebullfrog > syaieya 03/30/2014 at 09:28

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You know, I hear that all the time, but I have traveled across pretty much the entire mid-west and western U.S., all with my Illinois plates. At no point between Chicago and L.A., and most everywhere in between, have I ever been, or even felt, singled out or targeted by cops. Hell, I've never even been pulled over while traveling.

stigshift > TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma 03/30/2014 at 09:30

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I would have loved an SRT8 Magnum in high school! Unfortunately, I graduated in '82...

Iwaswonderofwonders > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:31

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junior Jalopnik correspondent Doug DeMuro

Apparently the world of blogging is a dirty game. Glad I'm a worthless commentor.

uziy16 > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:34

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when I was finishing up High school we made a little impromptu graduation trip to a local fun center. 5 of us piled into a car and started on our way. By one of the toll booths we went through on the left side not realizing that the exit we needed was all the way on the left. The driver flicks on signal and cuts across 3 lanes somewhat aggressively but not terribly so since it was midday and no traffic. On the off ramp a cruiser flips on his lights and we pull over.. thus begins a 1/2 hour of officers trying to convince us that we are all drug addicts.

After collecting drivers info, he goes around collecting all our info as well as asking if we are on drugs.

"no"

when was the last time you took drugs?

"never"

do you have a dime bag in the car?

"no"

this goes on and on repeatedly for a 20 minutes. Eventually they tell us to get out of the car, empty our pockets, searched us, searched the car found nothing, and gave the driver a ticket for an insurance issue.

GentleHatred > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 09:34

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Tank? Because of a push bar? Those things are more of a light bar than they are an effective ramming device. Cops do tend to overdo but to pick out a push bar and go down the militarization route is a bit reaching.

Just Cars for Joe Bryant > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:36

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Well as stupid as it sounds, it does give all other states probable cause.

FJ60GatewayDrug > Sun-Tzubaru - With Zoom-Zoom 03/30/2014 at 09:41

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Seems to me like the understanding of how cause/effect works is exactly the problem you described, just from another point of view.

Cause: Declaring "zero-tolerance tough on crime" policies

Effect: People vote for you

Omnislash79 > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 09:44

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To serve and protect is a slogan, not their Ethos. Their job is not to serve or protect you , it is to uphold the law no matter how stupid it is.

Hectic > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:45

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The guy is 70; careless/inattentive is his middle name. I've driven from Idaho to Seattle numerous times, (skiing) and the cops are always out in full force; "Patrolled By Aircraft" signs abound, one trip I got two tickets, (slow learner). Sounds to me like this old hippie needs to spend a little more time watching the road and less time hitting the pipe.

davedave1111 > Eric the RC guy 03/30/2014 at 09:46

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How is that a 'brush guard'? It's a set of what Australians would call 'roo bars, and the rest of the world calls bull bars. They're completely socially unacceptable in Europe on any car, unless there's actually a realistic chance of encountering a heavy animal in the road, because they're so dangerous. Of course they're aggressive: that's the whole reason people used to put them on cars, especially 4x4s and SUVs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullbar

Doribax > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:46

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It wasn't just the Colorado license plate. It was the driving 30 in a 55 zone :)

Bump > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 09:46

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I have not seen "To Serve and Protect" on a cop car in a while.

Matsayz > CorridoreItalico 03/30/2014 at 09:47

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And that's why America is better than your country. Plus we have Chuck Norris

DomEOD > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 09:47

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A push bar is intimidating?

Josh Bailey > syaieya 03/30/2014 at 09:47

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Being from Kentucky I always feel nervous driving in front license plate states. I know of several who have been handed tickets for driving 3 mph over with the flow of traffic in southern Illinois.

MFEJAL grey because who knows... > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:49

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Its totally justifiable. Its like TSA with any Colombian arriving the country, who must be searched and questioned assuming he/she have close ties with cocaine production.

Thanks Fox News for showing me the truth.

Voice of C. Montgomery Burns > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:51

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Kansas does this too.

Bluecold > DomEOD 03/30/2014 at 09:52

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foregoing the fact that you seem to think a device specifically designed to ram other cars is not intimidating, the rest of the car is designed to look as menacing as possible. The Dodge Magnum seems to be designed in the first place to look intimidating, then the police painted it all black and tinted the windows. In a movie, it would be a car the bad guys would drive.

RacerX450 > Josephum 03/30/2014 at 09:54

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You can be rejected from the police recruiting process for being too smart. No, really. http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-b… So, remember when dealing with members of America's largest armed gang that they are selected to be slightly stupid.

Gixxer750 > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 09:55

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Yea because cops NEVER get into scenarios where they might need a bigger car with a pushbar. What liberal planet do you live on? Lets just give the police some Prius's and see how great they apprehend nutjobs on the street.

nedzcc32 > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 09:56

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Littering and...
Littering and..
SMOKING THE REEFER!

davidj211 > Hectic 03/30/2014 at 09:57

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You know, I had a similar thought. It's possible that this 70 year old dude was driving carelessly/inattentively, and the police officer incorrectly assumed that marijuana use may have been the cause.

Bluecold > Gixxer750 03/30/2014 at 09:59

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Instead of dismissing this comment outright I will wait until your 15 minute editing time is over. You never tried to make a reasonable argument, you just try to make a flamewar by throwing around strawmen. Read my comment carefully. I never said 'pushbar', I never said 'prius', I never said 'big car' and I never commented on the dangerous situations the police can find themselves in. I said the cars they drive are purposely designed to be intimidating, which I think is not a good way to design a cop car. Work with that. Show you're not an imbecile. You've got 15 mins.

In_Sweden > DomEOD 03/30/2014 at 10:00

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In my mind, yes.

porschephile463 > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 10:01

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I don't know what large city you're from. But I can tell you that in rural parts of the country a bull bar is not 'specifically for raming vehicles'. More often than not it's for raming wildlife that decide to dart in front of your car on a whim. in fact in Texas(and I'm fairly sure this goes double in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming etc) hitting a deer is a VERY common occurrence. The bull bar saves these rural law enforcement agencies lots of money. but I have literally never heard of a car having to be ramed in a desolate place like that. Raming cars is more of a big city/Hollywood movie thing.

Old-Busted-Hotness > $kaycog 03/30/2014 at 10:01

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That's totally not mine, officer.

Giant Lobster Monster > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 10:02

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'Murica, fuck yeah!

R W > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 10:02

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Yeah, i live in chicago but travel to wisconsin often for family, and i dont want to get rid of my wisconsin plates because of i94 between chicago and milwaukee.

Bluecold > Eric the RC guy 03/30/2014 at 10:02

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As I said to others, it's not about the damn bullbar. I never mentioned bullbar. You're in a long list (seriously read the other damn comments before replying, it's not hard, it saves you time and it makes you not look stupid) , it's about the car being specifically bought, painted and modified to look as intimidating as possible, which in my eyes is completely against everything the police should stand for.

David111767 > Gixxer750 03/30/2014 at 10:02

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Yeah what are we, England? Haha just kidding of course. But their police cars look like something a 5 year old would design with the bright blue, yellow and white.

Jameseshepherd > Gixxer750 03/30/2014 at 10:02

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http://jalopnik.com/police-say-sea…

The mayor of Seattle wants them .. to soften the image of the police, under a Federal consent decree for excessive force and racially biased tactics

As for "nutjobs on the street" - what paranoid conservative planet do you live in, anyway?

Bluecold > porschephile463 03/30/2014 at 10:05

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Fair point, I'm not from a 'large city' but more from an area in the world where there is no large wildlife. I'm from the netherlands. Also, I think my point on the car being intimidating being not in the best interest of either the police or the general public still stands.

PRBot II > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 10:08

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Militarization of police in America? Sure, like that will ever happen.

Chatham Harrison dba SPANFELLER DELENDUS EST > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 10:10

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Don't worry about it, NuKinja gave the hooting assholes the keys to the castle. Makes any sort of considered opinion grounds for dogpile. That car is absolutely meant to be a big, black behemoth, regardless of what's on the front.

satalac > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 10:10

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Dude, it's a push bar, cops have had these forever. Hell, even taxis have them. Why? Because it saves money on body repair. Quit being afraid of everything and grow a pair.

Takuro Spirit > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 10:11

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Would you rather cops all drive pink Beetles with eyelashes on the headlights?

Takuro Spirit > $kaycog 03/30/2014 at 10:13

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Hey, still retains it's 5MPH (Mellows Per Hour) effectiveness.

satalac > CorridoreItalico 03/30/2014 at 10:14

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I know right? I mean you don't even have "private armies" taking over sections of your country in Europe. I wish I could live in such a utopia.

awe46m3zcp > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 10:17

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I just drove from Colorado to Georgia (1500 miles), and pulling an enclosed trailer. I was sure I would be pulled over at some point just because of profiling. I was followed for some distance by cops 3 different times. As if they were just waiting for an excuse to pull me over. In the end I made it without ever being pulled over though. My worst nightmare would of been having to unload everything in the trailer on the side of the road so they could go thru it. Hopefully they would of just opened the doors and let a dog sniff around.

DatHoonDoe > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 10:17

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Woah there, slow down buddy. Pushbars are for high speed chases and emergency situations. Other than that, I don't see what's so intimidating.

UPDATE: I see you told someone that these cars are purposely designed to look intimidating. Let me remind you that this car was not designed as a cop car. It's a road car converted into a police cruiser kind of like a Taurus or a Fusion police intercept. The police didn't reach out to the automaker and said make this car look intimidating. Plus, you'd have to be an Idiot to be intimidated by a car. The cop is the one with the power whether he is driving a Miata or a Magnum.

Bluecold > Takuro Spirit 03/30/2014 at 10:19

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I would prefer it to the dystopian future you're sketching about the police rolling around in Abrams tanks.

—-

Think about how I've re-strawmanned you and feel shame for your bad comment.

Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 10:21

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My Grandpa was born and raised in Missouri, but eventually moved to California. One time he took a trip back across the country, and he got stopped in Missouri, for doing nothing wrong. But was warned "We don't drive here like you do in California.".

...yeah, I'm really looking forward to driving 2800 miles with California plates on.

Eric the RC guy > davedave1111 03/30/2014 at 10:23

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Well I can't say I know where you live, but where I live I've hit a deer once, and almost hit a deer a few hundred times. Being a taxpayer I'm okay with not spending $1,500 of my money every time a cop car hits a deer.

Either way, how is a piece of metal meant to protect the front of a vehicle, whatever the hell you want to call it, aggressive? Just a note: "because people say it is" isn't an actual answer to a question, ever.

ch3lland > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 10:23

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I am able to see your point on this, why the need for aggressively styled vehicles for city police? It sure dissuades me from approaching an officer in one, and it does make police seem as "the bad guys" especially when they abuse their power in a bad ass looking vehicle. Kind of like a bully. However, the use of these kinds of vehicles for State police forces (Highway patrol?) is almost inevitable. I'm not sure there's a cheap, large sedan/wagon out there able to perform at high speeds that doesn't have aggressive styling. The Charger, Magnum, Taurus, etc. all look pretty mean.

472CID > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 10:26

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The police department didn't design the Magnum, Dodge did (I'm guessing they made it as menacing as possible to lure "macho" men away from SUVs, unfortunately it didn't really work). As for the colors, state troopers have all sorts of colors and designs, Idahos happens to be black with a white stripe. Not the most "friendly" colors but I don't think it's really any more intimidating than your average blue and sliver paint job.

That being said I can see how it would appear evil when compared to the Netherlands who's first search result is this...

Eric the RC guy > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 10:27

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So utilizing a two tone paint job for better visibility is both threatening and distinctly American?

That's an... interesting... opinion.

PRBot II > $kaycog 03/30/2014 at 10:27

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DKaine > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 10:31

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It's not the first instance of this happening. When I got licensed to do security work, the guy teaching the class, a retired ICE agent, said that a Florida license plate is almost guaranteed to get you pulled over and harassed in some states, including NJ, who don't recognize Florida-issued CCW permits.

jsimon > Gixxer750 03/30/2014 at 10:31

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Cops in NYC drive Priuses sometimes. Just saying.

corsa > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 10:34

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If you look closely, the front door side windows are not tinted, only from the back doors on back are they tinted—which is how the Magnum comes from the factory. They also come in black. So the police didn't "paint it all black and tint the windows." They just bought a large, rear-wheel-drive car that meets the needs of the job. The black steel wheels and the front brush guard of course don't look stock, but they also don't look intimidating, they look like they serve a purpose. The brush guard protects the car from all the wildlife that dart across the road in this part of the country, and the steel wheels withstand the punishment that would destroy alloy wheels. There's nothing intimidating about that car to me. Different interpretations I guess.

PRBot II > davidj211 03/30/2014 at 10:35

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The careless/inattentive charge was for bumping the curb while pulling over after the cop hit the lights.

MrBloodMuffins > DomEOD 03/30/2014 at 10:36

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People are more easily intimidated now a days. Didn't a child get suspended for chewing a poptart into the rough shape of a gun?

RevCrowley > CorridoreItalico 03/30/2014 at 10:39

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I thought bull bars were there because of hitting deer. Guess I'm naive.

EMPoweredBMW > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 10:40

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Littering aaaannd.... littering aaaand... smokin' the nothing.

TommyRocker > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 10:42

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Actually, a lot of police departments are getting armored vehicles. SWAT responses have gone from a few hundred a year to several thousand. The militarization of the police is sickening. We're moving towards a police state and the masses all stand around singing the national anthem and screaming for more police support.

spacecase > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 10:42

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Their vehicles are as close to "murdered out" as you can get...and also, what's up with the parking on the median strip deal? They do that around here (suburban philly) and sometimes leave the ass end of the car poking into the nearest lane. Totally meant to intimidate, it's not even close. Yeah, nothing sez "to protect and to serve" like tinted windows.....

pgh-wrx > thebullfrog 03/30/2014 at 10:43

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Last summer my GF and I took temp summer jobs out in rural CA. My car had VA plates hers had PA plates. Getting pulled over was a weekly occurrence for the two of us. After the second stop we drove like saints to avoid getting pulled over as much yet they would always find a reason. My GF even got pulled over by the same cop twice in one day once on her way to work and once on her lunch break. We took a weekend trip to San Diego and visited the Salton Sea on the way back and got stopped at a checkpoint. Before the cop was even to our window he was asking us to pull aside to search the car.

pgh-wrx > Josh Bailey 03/30/2014 at 10:44

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Being from VA I always feel nervous driving in states that only require rear license plates. The feeling is mutual.

PRBot II > uziy16 03/30/2014 at 10:48

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I can relate. I had a NY cop pull me over for a burned out headlight — when both my headlights were working. He then tells me I look stoned. I was sober, not even one beer that night. He asks me if I had been smoking weed, and I hadn't smoked anything. Not even a cigarette. He takes me out of the car, runs several field sobriety tests. Searches my car without consent, then gives me a breathalyzer.

After 15 - 20 minutes of this nonsense, he had to let me go. I hadn't broken any law. Didn't even get a warning ticket for the headlight, because it wasn't really out. He was a stupid pig.

PRBot II > Nacon 03/30/2014 at 10:48

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azedo > porschephile463 03/30/2014 at 10:48

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Millions and millions of normal cars do not have a giant push bar on the front of their hood yet SOMEHOW survive driving in rural places. I lived for 25 years in a very rural area with lots of deer and other large animals. That bar will do very little when hitting an object at speed. It's probably attached by like 2 small bolts. The actual safety features of the car - crush zone, engine, airbags, etc. - are what will mitigate an impact. I 100% agree that that Magnum epitomizes many of the issues with the way we currently police our society.

Also:

European police cars. Visible. Approachable. Engaged with community. Capable of ramming. Cool:

Our police (America):

(Straight from the Chrysler advert)

PRBot II > Iwaswonderofwonders 03/30/2014 at 10:51

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It's doge-eat-doge out there.

Diesel > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 10:57

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If you think that's intimidating, I wonder how you feel about youths in baggy pants.

Takuro Spirit > Bluecold 03/30/2014 at 10:57

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So Smart cars with eyelashes then?

davedave1111 > Eric the RC guy 03/30/2014 at 11:05

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Well, I did say it's more acceptable in places where animal strikes are much commoner. The bars are very dangerous to people, though, so there's a trade-off to be made between saving money and killing people - which obviously depends on how relatively common the two things are.

"Either way, how is a piece of metal meant to protect the front of a vehicle, whatever the hell you want to call it, aggressive?"

As a matter of style, the styling is aggressive. That is why people used to have them despite not having any need for them. I don't know enough about design terminology to explain why some things look aggressive and others don't. Ask a designer. That such is the case, though, is indisputable.

Room13 > Eric the RC guy 03/30/2014 at 11:08

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Fuck all cops. But you are correct.

mad.anthony > PRBot II 03/30/2014 at 11:08

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There is only conjecture by the plaintiff that the reason he was pulled over was the Colorado plates. It's pretty normal when someone is pulled over for eratic driving (or inattentive/careless driving in this case) to ask them if they've been drinking or using drugs. He's surmising it was because of his plates.

As far as the miranda rights, I'm guessing the cop figured he would read them early, in case he found something and didn't have time or forgot. Sort of a pre-emptive strike.

NicAndre > Gixxer750 03/30/2014 at 11:09

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It's quite funny because in Europe, take Germany for example, all of the police drive Mercedes E-klasse wagons. No tinted windows, no searchlights - just a stripe of blue paint that says "Polezei" and a light strip up top. They don't seem to be having any trouble apprehending baddies.

I'm and American living in Germany for a semester. Believe me, the Polezei here are far more approachable, in appearance and practice, than Police in the united states. And one of the biggest reasons they don't intimidate me or seem unapproachable - they drive un-intimidating cars.

Bluecold > 472CID 03/30/2014 at 11:09

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Almost. Most cops here drive Golfs. Highway police drive usually A4's and Volvos.

They used to drive Porsches. Part of the reason for buying the Targa was to look less intimidating and more approachable.