4C vs Cayman - choose wisely

"472CID" (472CID)
02/18/2014 at 21:21 • Filed to: OPPOPOLL

Inspired by !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! if someone offered you keys to one and only one of these saucy machines which would you pick? Thought about throwing a Lotus or even the Stingray in there, but decided to keep it simple.

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DISCUSSION (45)

Brian Silvestro > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 21:23

Argument for why right here.

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JustWaitingForAMate > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 21:25

4C. I'd rather own something that's going to have a limited run and be potentially be worth something well into the future then 2014 Cayman #212833.

Justin Young > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 21:29

As much as I love manuals, the Alfa is the pretty choice.

Dsscats > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 21:31

Oh god, I went to click Alfa, but at the lase second changed to Cayman. It's 130% more refined and only 20% less fun.

CPT Speedbump > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 21:32

Exige

MtrRider > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 21:36

Hmm, the DCT in the Alfa vs the manual in the Cayman means there's actually a battle between which car is more desirable. The Alfa should have more soul- it's an Alfa Romeo, not a over-engineered bratwurst. But yet, it has a DCT only. That means they sacrificed pure driving pleasure for a 10th of a second at the track.

The German car still gives you the choice. So I'm going Porsche.

IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 21:36

No clutch: No want. Frankly I would probably take the Stingray or the Lotus

Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 21:43

I'll take the mid-engined European coupe. What's that? They're both mid-engined European coupes? Well then, how convenient.

Manuél Ferrari > MtrRider
02/18/2014 at 21:54

My guess is that they sacrificed the stick not for track time but due to cost. They don't want to offer a stick if the take rate is going to be low.

Lets Just Drive > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 21:57

Cayman, and it was a difficult choice but I came down on the side of Porsche for one reason and one reason alone; it's a Porsche and not an Alfa.

Pragmatic? Probably. Also, clutch.

oldirtybootz > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 21:59

Despite no clutch the 1.75L sounds amazing. Alfa for me.

Manuél Ferrari > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 22:01

I'll take the Alfa 6C with a 7MT.

Oh it's not a real car yet?

Damn it.

Kinja'd!!!

Manuél Ferrari > oldirtybootz
02/18/2014 at 22:02

I wonder what the gas mileage will be on the EPA tests.

Who needs a Prius when you can have a tiny sports car with a turbo charged 1.75L engine?

MtrRider > Manuél Ferrari
02/18/2014 at 22:05

But it would have been lighter and it would have elevated the 4c to Godcar status in the minds of enthusiasts.

472CID > Manuél Ferrari
02/18/2014 at 22:29

A 6C would be awesome, of course I'd have an even smaller chance of some day owning one.

Manuél Ferrari > MtrRider
02/18/2014 at 22:30

I know...

But they don't care. They want to be like big brother Ferrari and be DCT only.

It's sad.

If I only had one car and it was DCT I would get insanely bored with it. The only reason it's OK that the E90 has a DCT is because I switch back into the 6MT when I get bored.

DCTs are awesome when you're in heavy traffic or focusing on performance above all else. But they are too clinical for having fun while puttering around. The herky jerky single clutch robotized manuals are more engaging and fun to use than than a DCT.

Manuél Ferrari > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 22:33

Unless it ended up being unreliable.

Then we could buy them cheap and swap an American crate engine into it.

Oh lord I just had an idea. Would it be doable to swap an LS into one of these 6MT beauties?

Kinja'd!!!

JR1 > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 22:35

Kinja'd!!!

Can't get over these eyes

MtrRider > Manuél Ferrari
02/18/2014 at 22:39

If you bought a DCT when a manual is available you're part of the problem. You can say now that you can just go drive your other M3. But one day, that car will be old, and you won't be able to find parts for it. But a manual won't be available then- because people just like you justified getting the DCT.

BMW asked you what you wanted, and you, an enthusiast, voted DCT. Your vote matters. Ours- most of ours- doesn't. You, somebody actually spending money on the cars, you matter to BMW. And you voted to have the computer do all the work?

/rage

Kaltrop > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 22:45

To thrash on a track for a few laps? 4C. For every other conceivable situation... 981.

Manuél Ferrari > MtrRider
02/18/2014 at 22:48

I know, I suck...

But to my defense I actually do use the more boring DCT setup for work reasons. Sometimes I have to commute from OC to LA and back at very inopportune times. Those are the times when I really love having the DCT and auto mode.

I know what you mean, people have to vote with their pocketbooks. I just like having one of each for different scenarios. And at least my purchase had no impact on BMW's forecasting as I didn't buy the car new.

Manuél Ferrari > MtrRider
02/18/2014 at 22:55

Can I get on your good side again if I get a Gallardo 6MT one day and let you drive it? :-D

With-a-G is back to not having anything written after his username > IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK
02/18/2014 at 23:08

Well, then, you're in luck, because the Alfa has *two* clutches!

IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK > With-a-G is back to not having anything written after his username
02/18/2014 at 23:09

Don't get smart with me!

472CID > JR1
02/18/2014 at 23:17

I think for that reason alone I'd opt for the Porsche. Wonder if any aftermarket companies have cooked up any fixes yet.

texasfordfan > 472CID
02/18/2014 at 23:45

I hate this poll.

I can't decide.

The Alfa is beautiful, and I love Alfa.

But the Porsche is a manual, and I miss shifting when I drive an automatic.

I don't think I am going to vote.

MtrRider > Manuél Ferrari
02/19/2014 at 00:26

Kinja'd!!!

MtrRider > Manuél Ferrari
02/19/2014 at 00:30

You have a M3 for every circumstance?

Kinja'd!!!

Manuél Ferrari > MtrRider
02/19/2014 at 01:29

LOL

Manuél Ferrari > MtrRider
02/19/2014 at 01:33

The E46 was going to be a street legal track car and occasional commuter. But I kept it stock and am trying to sell it to pay off some debt. Then there will no longer be an M3 for different circumstances.

To make myself feel better about losing one of the lowest mileage E46 M3s around I dream about Gallardos with gated shifters. Or F430s. Or Doug's car. Any Italian with a gated shifter would be cool some day...

MtrRider > Manuél Ferrari
02/19/2014 at 01:37

Ah, selling the manual so you'll only have the DCT are ya? Heathen.

Kinja'd!!!

Manuél Ferrari > MtrRider
02/19/2014 at 01:43

Haha no. It gets more confusing.

The E46 M3 is SMG (also purchased used, so don't blame me for telling BMW to stop selling sticks). The E90 M3 is DCT.

The other car is the 6MT. So don't worry I'm not ditching the stick. Far from it, it gets the most usage.

MtrRider > Manuél Ferrari
02/19/2014 at 01:52

Holy crap dude, you have a BMW for every handicap spot in the parking lot don't you?

Ok. So you have a SMG, a DCT and a stick. All M3, all different generations?

I think I'm beginning to sound like a massive asshole. That's not what I'm going for.

Manuél Ferrari > MtrRider
02/19/2014 at 01:54

Haha no, but that would be awesome! Imagine if the other car was an E36 or E30 M3. I would be a walking M3 documentary.

No the other car is a 997 C2. Which I accidentally damaged last weekend. That was my bad karma for having too many kars

MtrRider > Manuél Ferrari
02/19/2014 at 01:57

THE OTHER CAR IS A PORSCHE!?

Kinja'd!!!

Manuél Ferrari > MtrRider
02/19/2014 at 02:00

yeah lol

but i'm also getting up there in age and i'm a single workaholic. so my cars are literally all that i have...

MtrRider > Manuél Ferrari
02/19/2014 at 02:13

Kinja'd!!!

Oh shit man... I'm sorry.

Well now I'm sad.

Manuél Ferrari > MtrRider
02/19/2014 at 02:19

haha don't be sad. it's the life i choose. i'm addicted to cars and all the girls i meet are insane.

dude check out how awesome this guy's life is:

http://www.fordgtforum.com/forums/showthr…

this is the best thread of all time. i'm going to check to see if anyone has posted it to oppo in the last 6 months. if not i'll post it.

JACU - I've got bonifides. > Manuél Ferrari
02/19/2014 at 02:25

Frustrated that I can recommend this only once.

Manuél Ferrari > JACU - I've got bonifides.
02/19/2014 at 02:26

Haha thanks

Check out the new post I just created. Man that guy is lucky. He has owned a lot of mid engine goodness. And still owns a Ford GT and Ferrari 458, both in red!

MtrRider > Manuél Ferrari
02/19/2014 at 02:40

That guy sure likes to talk/write. I really spend more time on that forum than any non-GT owner should. It truly stands out as a car I need to own at some time in my life.

Manuél Ferrari > MtrRider
02/19/2014 at 02:47

It was spaced out over a number of years though. But yeah he does like to talk and write.

We all need Ford GTs one day. How many Opponauts are there? More than Ford made GTs? Maybe. Probably

MtrRider > Manuél Ferrari
02/19/2014 at 03:05

Hopefully one day they will allow companies like Superformance to make continuation Ford GTs like they do for GT40s and Cobras.

KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Manuél Ferrari
02/19/2014 at 09:08

It is not possible to have too many cars.

It is possible to deal with family court. I choose not to do this, so I have my two BMWs and my truck.

It is also possible to think your insurance company hates you.

Manuél Ferrari > MtrRider
02/19/2014 at 13:35

that would be AWESOME