On Toyota's website

"Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur" (velocity860) 02/07/2014 at 22:46 • Filed to: Beige

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...92% of people believe what now?

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/07/2014 at 22:48

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This is discriminatory to Lefties.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/07/2014 at 22:48

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Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/07/2014 at 22:49

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Post this everywhere

I don't care how cliche it is

Sn210 > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/07/2014 at 22:56

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They believe they ain't got no room for boring

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/07/2014 at 23:04

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"Explore the effect" of being grounded to the ground? It appears you aren't grounded in reality at that point.

AthomSfere > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/07/2014 at 23:26

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Hmh, I would really like to see this stat for Prius owners.

The Transporter > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/07/2014 at 23:56

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My parents have the Honda version of the Camry Effect. Knowing their car history before they purchased their first new Honda back in '99, it's understandable why they'd be wary of any other brand, especially an American brand. Unfortunately, that means that they haven't driven anything else but Hondas in the past 15 years. I've been trying to convince them to at least test drive a new Fusion, but its starting to feel like getting them to change their religion at this point.

The reason why so many Camry owners end up buying another Camry is because their only other experience with another car brand was 20 years ago and it was probably some GM piece of shit from the late '70s or early '80s.

JACU - I've got bonifides. > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 00:05

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Visitors from another planet maybe.

JACU - I've got bonifides. > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/08/2014 at 00:07

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I am going to recommend this every time you post it.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy 02/08/2014 at 08:43

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Everyone should be 100% equal. Does this mean we have to cull the population of righties until we reach parity?

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/08/2014 at 08:46

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What? Why?

. . > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 08:52

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79% of Camry drivers sing in their car.

Eh?

DMCVegas > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 08:54

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It's like my H2 SUT rant about how GM kept wanting to go after the low-hanging fruit of quick profit instead of long-term viability. Toyota is headed down a different lane of that same road to the same destination.

They're gonna keep on pandering to un-passionate car buyers by selling them mediocre Camrys. It's become a joke and at one point will become ultimately uncool to buy a Toyota. Halo cars are there to represent an entire brand and spread the image to other products in the lineup. When you have an awesome super car like an Acura or a Corvette, or even a Raptor, those are the dreams you advertise to people and what keeps them content on buying the cold reality of an econobox.

When the Camry becomes your Halo car, your entire lineup becomes a joke, and that's not good. Quick profits now with no long-term profit and survivability.

LoveMy5.0 > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 08:56

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A car like the Camry will improve my world?

My world is just fine thank you! Except for winter......but driving a Camry will make that a happy thing.....

Always Winning > The Transporter 02/08/2014 at 08:56

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The Ford Fusion might be a better car to drive — and especially to look at — but there are other factors to consider. In the case of those two cars, the Camry has much better resale value and reliability.

winters4 > Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius 02/08/2014 at 08:59

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Or force children to write with their left.

mlryan > AthomSfere 02/08/2014 at 09:00

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143% of prius drivers think they can improve the world

sadfasdf > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:00

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I believe they can improve the world. Every last one of them is capable of driving their car into a pole or setting it on fire.

interrogator-chaplain > DMCVegas 02/08/2014 at 09:01

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That is well said. The best justification for the existence of the supercar.

mstrjon32 > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:04

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The real question here is...what were you doing on the Camry website?!

Triborough > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:05

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Camry drivers improving the world?
How?
By going ten to twenty miles below the speed limit in the left lane?
By not using their turn signals?
By not caring about driving so they purchased a transportation appliance instead of a car?

Captain_Spadaro > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:10

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I wouldn't call driving 5-10 mph under the posted speed limit at any given time 'improving the world'.

KnifeKnut > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:13

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**Compiled from Camry owners surveyed within the site.

I'm sensing a little bias here.

Enginerrrrrrrrr > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/08/2014 at 09:16

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I don't know what the fuck is going on, but I can't stop watching....

STREPITUS > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:16

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Only 3540 people have been on a roadtrip? Seems a bit low. Hopefully it didn't end like this guy's Camry roadtrip (long, but worth the read)

http://davidsworld.org/2013/06/27/str…

http://davidsworld.org/2013/06/27/str…

http://davidsworld.org/2013/06/27/str…

http://davidsworld.org/2013/06/28/str…

Tom McParland > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:17

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100% of people that believe Camry drivers "improve the world" are idiots.

Enginerrrrrrrrr > The Transporter 02/08/2014 at 09:18

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I have a 2000 accord and test-drove a 2013 for a friend. I was surprised at how responsive it was in its steering.

Had a 2013 camry for a rental. Worst fucking steering feel I have ever had, and I used to have a 1990 Bronco. I hated it.

Honda's at least retain a little sportiness, even if you have to dig to find it.

jariten1781 > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:18

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Therefore only 8% of Camry drivers are sane.

Hirsch > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:22

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This explains a lot, actually.

"I drive a Camry, the best selling most reliable car in the world! I must be a pretty smart SOB! Wait, why is this line of cars behind me a half mile long and everyone is flashing their lights? Maybe they're warning me of danger or cops. I better slow down!"

I swear this is how Camry drivers I encounter on my daily commute think.

Frenchlicker > . . 02/08/2014 at 09:23

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Is it really so hard to believe? Wait, I never found out whether or not a jalop or or opponaut is allowed to sing in their car. Damn it

RatMR2 > Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy 02/08/2014 at 09:26

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The confusing thing is that the statistic seems to imply that the majority of Camry drivers are somewhat ambidextrous.

DarthDuster > Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy 02/08/2014 at 09:28

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About 1 in 10 people are left handed, so if anything there is a higher prevalence of lefties owning Camrys than there should be.

Being left handed myself this is slightly worrying!

bottsdotts > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:29

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It says 92% of visitors believe yadda yadda yadda. We can assume if you're a visitor, you're probably already at least sipping the Koolaid.

shortyoh > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:36

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EVERYBODY can improve the world, regardless of what they drive.

Therefore, I say if only 92% of Camry drivers truly would be capable of improving the world, then Camry drivers are well below average.

I say this as a Camry driver...

syaieya > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:38

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Chances are it's derived from a question that makes it seem like you think doing exactly what you did would be better for everyone else. Still, that's rather pretentious

Gtuned > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:48

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"Improve the World"

Define Improve...

Wasn't it also a Camry that T-boned some GTO at some cars and coffee a while back, or was that a Lexus? (It was on Jalopnik, just can't remember when.)

msmola2002 > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:49

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92% of camry owners are pretentious twatwaffles

RacecaR > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:49

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Man, Matt Pinfield has fallen a long way.

oldirtybootz > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:57

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Change the world by making roads slower? I don't think I've ever been behind a Camry driver who can actually drive.

Rand0nS > Triborough 02/08/2014 at 09:59

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I'm moving the bar with my 2010 Camry. I use my turn signals, drive 75-80mph in the fast lane and have been over 120mph a few times. The 268hp v6 isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be.

Vie Ventar > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 09:59

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Personally, I'm proud to be part of the 8%.

Rand0nS > Hirsch 02/08/2014 at 10:00

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You haven't encountered me. :)

flyingstitch > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 10:08

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I know this is a cliche, but Toyota has made a very calculated business decision to be an automotive appliance maker. The "new" Corolla is the strongest evidence yet.

Think of your household appliances. How often is there a truly revolutionary development in this field? Not very. It's the same innards, perhaps incrementally improved, wrapped in a cosmetically new package. And that's fine with most of us, as long as the clothes get clean and the casserole gets baked, reliably and without much thought.

The Corolla embodies much the same idea with its buyers, who care about advances in automotive design the way most of us care about the latest in commercial kitchen equipment. Toyota knows this. They will pay lip service to enthusiasts and critics, but they will follow the market as they see it, as long as the profits keep rolling in.

tonym86 > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 10:15

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I just purchased a new(er) car after 10 years. I decided to go thru enterprise car sales, due to their warranty and friends and family's positive experience. I had my eye on a 2012 Maxima, but I was trading ina 1999 Toyota Solara, so I also looked into a 2012 Camry SE they had(safe bet).

Every time I see a new Camry on the road, while driving my Maxima, I am ecstatic that I got the one I wanted and not the "safe choice".

C'mon Toyota! Live it up a little!

legory > Gtuned 02/08/2014 at 10:16

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In that picture it's a lotus. Ironic, given the fact that they're both powered by the same engine.

Wacko > flyingstitch 02/08/2014 at 10:18

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Why do you think they didn't make the FRS a Toyota, they were afraid it would taint their beige image. Now that would scare the boring people away from Toyota.

shop-teacher > Enginerrrrrrrrr 02/08/2014 at 10:18

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The worst 500 miles I've ever spent behind the wheel was driving a '10 Camry rental. It had the most uncomfortable seats I've ever experienced in a car, I was in pain after 40 miles. I was taking a 2000 mile trip, but I traded the piece of crap in when I was going through Memphis. You've never seen somebody so happy to get behind the wheel of a W-body Impala.

Ghetro > flyingstitch 02/08/2014 at 10:21

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Because what they market is their reliability and durability which, unfortunately, usually come at the cost of truly innovative innards. You could accuse Apple of the same thing with OS X - build a decent model, fix the little bugs, and make very minor tweaks on it for 20 years, selling "new" versions the whole time without ever risking the stability of the platform.

Cydonia > The Transporter 02/08/2014 at 10:24

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My first car was a 1994 Integra (was my dads, then my brothers, who pretty much destroyed the thing, and then mine). After that broke down, my parents got me a 6 year old 2000 Civic. That car was reliable, but way underpowered, and didn't have ABS. And then I got a '12 Focus. Love my decision, and love it even more after sitting in a new Civic and feeling the cheap plastic all over the place.

HughMagnusJohnson > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 10:26

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What percentage are grounded to the ground?

Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur > HughMagnusJohnson 02/08/2014 at 10:28

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At least 72%

Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur > msmola2002 02/08/2014 at 10:30

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This made me chuckle

Jason.MZW20 > Enginerrrrrrrrr 02/08/2014 at 10:36

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Yeah, Toyota continues to find value propositions everywhere, so they put in the cheapest electric motor possible (likely why they have nearly $40bn in cash reserves); I swear my G27 steering wheel has more feel and it's for fucking games. The 2012 Camry interior was shockingly bad, so that 2013 one was the one with the improved plastics.

My 1991 Toyota MR2 has disowned the new Toyota. She disapproves. At least the entire dash and center console is soft touch. And the glove box doesn't sound like it's gonna break in half when you close it. And it has manual steering. And, well, everything.

Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur > mstrjon32 02/08/2014 at 10:36

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Uhh, I can explain.
I was seeing how much horsepower the 4 banger Camry had

jovimon7 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/08/2014 at 10:36

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Smiling Bob endorsed.

Ethan W > winters4 02/08/2014 at 10:37

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You have it backwards. We force children to write with their right, and shame them if they use their left.

jovimon7 > mstrjon32 02/08/2014 at 10:38

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LOL, what I was wondering.

Susan > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 10:39

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Perhaps it's the Prius effect, not so much Toyota. The "smug" lol

Stradale > DMCVegas 02/08/2014 at 10:45

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One site has "insider" info that this is already been greenlit and they are working on a production version and it is the next Supra. Now all "insider" info should be taken with a grain of salt but I would say with how out spoken Mr. Toyota has been about new sports cars for the company this car is pretty much a go.

Also, the people who buy Camrys (the fastest car in its class) don't really care if enthusiasts think its uncool, hell they don't even know enthusiasts exist so it being uncool to buy a Toyota means nothing to them. Also, if you want a "cool" Toyota get a IS-F, RC-F, IS350 F Sport, FR-S ect... all are fantastic enthusiast cars (RC-F is still unknown but if the IS-F is any indicator it should be just as good as the German counterparts.)

The Transporter > Always Winning 02/08/2014 at 10:45

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[ Citation needed ]

Stradale > KnifeKnut 02/08/2014 at 10:47

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Well with statements like "Camry drivers" obviously it going to be a little biased, but none of the statements are "fact" type of statements.

Stradale > The Transporter 02/08/2014 at 10:50

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Whose fault is that? Cars are not some cheap appliance you can afford to waste money on. Maybe if GM didn't built pieces of shit well into the 2000's then people would actually buy another brand.

Always Winning > The Transporter 02/08/2014 at 10:50

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Umm, OK: http://www.truedelta.com/Ford-Fusion/re…

Übel > mstrjon32 02/08/2014 at 10:52

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The Camry effect is one of the most unintentionally hilarious ad campaigns in a long time. Last time I checked, I believe it said something like 12% of Camry owners have used their car to go on a date. Go check it out, trust me.

NotUnlessRoundIsFunny > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/08/2014 at 10:56

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He knew there was a camera on him, right? That people could actually see him?

So...puzzling. So...hard to stop watching.

NotUnlessRoundIsFunny > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/08/2014 at 10:56

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He knew there was a camera on him, right? That people could actually see him?

So...puzzling. So...hard to stop watching.

Übel > syaieya 02/08/2014 at 10:56

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Nope, they straight up ask you if you think Camry owners can change the world. I took the survey. I highly recommend it. You get even more of these "facts".

speeddemon807 > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 11:00

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Runaway from the Camry effect! It will bore the hell out of you.

458nny > legory 02/08/2014 at 11:03

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That is an older Exige. Unless I am mistaken the engine in that is a 2ZZ-GE from a Celica. The current Exige shares an engine with the Camry.

G8GT364 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/08/2014 at 11:05

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Great vid. May he rest in peace :(

My buddy had us come out to this song during our introductions at his wedding. I had no idea he was doing that and laughed my ass off the entire time. It was epic.

Bubbles22 > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 11:08

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63.2% of of all web statistics are made-up.

Drew > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 11:10

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He's experiencing being "grounded to the ground".

DeeVeeOus > Always Winning 02/08/2014 at 11:15

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Honestly, resale does not matter very much unless you are changing cars often. If you keep cars longer than 5 years, both cars will be reaching close to the same point.

If you change cars often, reliability doesn't matter since you'll get rid of the car before any major issues happen.

Always Winning > DeeVeeOus 02/08/2014 at 11:22

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Those are 2013 cars with reliability issues. It's not like you're changing cars every six months, and if you are then you're certainly worried about resale.

WingaDingaDingaDingaDinga > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 11:23

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That's a lot of percentage.

SlickRhodes > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/08/2014 at 11:24

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THAT...WAS...AWESOME!!! THIS!!! MUCH MORE OF THIS!!!

Hirsch > Rand0nS 02/08/2014 at 11:29

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Unless you live near SW Ohio, you're probably right.

Please tell me you DON'T drive a clapped out late 90's Camry like it's a rally car!

kyle242gt > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 11:38

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My dad (67) drives a secondhand Camry he got when his uncle died. The blandest most boring thing ever. Four cylinder with a spoiler. A f*cking spoiler.

This is the guy who once took me in the twisties at 100+ in his 84 RX7, and who had a turbo/awd DSM for a company car.

How the mighty have fallen.

thisusernameforsale > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 11:40

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My parents owned two Camrys. When it came time to buy the second one, my dad didn't even drive it - he said it couldn't be that much different. That, I believe, sums up the Camry buying experience/success rate. People who buy them trust they'll do the job and don't give a crap about anything else.

Oh, and apparently they'll improve the world, just by driving it. Everyone loves to help if it takes no extra effort on their part, don't they?

I managed to convince them to look at other cars for their next one and now they have a Mazda 6, which is slightly more interesting to look at, and a great drive for what it it.

Cars AND Coffee!? > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 11:41

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There's some serious sample selection bias here

Hypocrisy doesn’t make me wrong > DMCVegas 02/08/2014 at 11:42

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Toyota does have a superstar, the LFA, and they are building a brand behind it, the F range. They even have an enthusiast vehicle, the FR-S

Acura/Honda on the other hand don't have a halo car, the NSX is vaporware.

I don't understand your logic

ranwhenparked > flyingstitch 02/08/2014 at 11:47

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Exciting and revolutionary things do happen in appliances from time to time. Remember when GE came out with the convection microwave? The Trivection oven is still way more exciting than a Camry.

ranwhenparked > kyle242gt 02/08/2014 at 11:50

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It happens. My grandfather was a vice president at Hurst, and went from '60s muscle cars to an Acura sedan. Then he died.

ranwhenparked > Bubbles22 02/08/2014 at 11:52

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Exactly. 16% of people know that.

91redz28 > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 11:52

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What does it matter that people went on road trips in a Camry? I drove cross country in my 91 camaro with my two friends. My car reminded me I was actually driving a car from the drone of the 355 which was getting close to 28mpg to the pain in my wrists. Driving a car with personality and proving every one that said my car was not gonna make it was just so satisfying. I would never take an emotionless econobox on a trip cause half the experience is getting there.

ZiptieMcBumper > RacecaR 02/08/2014 at 12:02

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Every time someone buys a Camry, God cries for 120 minutes.

ZiptieMcBumper > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 12:04

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Yeah, you have to account for the few that catch air when they plow through a farmers' market.

r31ya > Bubbles22 02/08/2014 at 12:08

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statistic realism aside, the main problem is to recognize that the so called "enthusiast" like us is not the Majority. We are a Vocal minority that's (well following the "stats" above) an 8% that bitch loudly collectively.

While the "Enthusiast" demand Interesting and fun car that goes fast and corners well. the majority mostly cared with how many seats, how big the trunk, how much it cost, is it comfortable to drive, technical support availability, and reliability.

Rand0nS > Hirsch 02/08/2014 at 12:10

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I don't. It's a 2010 v6 that's slow, but not too slow.

radametz > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 12:12

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I am the 8%

DeeVeeOus > Always Winning 02/08/2014 at 12:14

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Any word on what reliability issues the Fusion has?

Being scored poor in reliability is all about number of reported issue and not scale of the issue. I know most Ford cars these days get poor reliability because of MyFordTouch issues, but I know little on the Fusion in particular. I'm just wondering if they are serious reliability issues with items like the engine and transmission.

The Transporter > Always Winning 02/08/2014 at 12:19

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One thing I couldn't help but notice was that the vast majority of those complaints were for the hybrid version of the Fusion. This is where most of the complaints about the powertrain come from. Humorously, I saw one complaint about the transmission slipping on the hybrid. The hybrid uses a CVT.

The rest of the complaints were about loose fitting bits of body trim or, not surprisingly, Ford MyTouch. I didn't see any prices in the Cost column for any of these repairs, which is most likely due to the fact that they were covered under warranty.

2013 is also the first year of an entirely new generation of Fusion that has nothing in common with the previous generation. The XV50 Camry has been in production since 2011 and had a lot in common with the previous generation XV40 Camry which had been in production since 2006. Specifically, the engine and transmission - including the Camry's hybrid powertrain - have remained unchanged since 2006. All the kinks have long since been worked out on the Camry.

I also couldn't help but notice this:

EDIT because kinja'd image: it's the consumer complaints for the 2012 Fusion and Camry. The Fusion has 18 and the Camry has 13, which are both listed as very low.

2012 was the last year for the previous generation of Fusion which started production in 2006. By that point, all the kinks had been worked out.

Doctor-G-and-the-wagen > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 12:26

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1. That's smug of them; like, VERY smug.

2. Improve the world is very vague. Technically helping your drunk friend by driving them home is improving the world, since I doubt most Camry drivers would cure global diseases or solve economic crises.

joekitch > Gtuned 02/08/2014 at 12:33

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BROTHER!?

ithinkthatsit > Velocity- Peuguette Connoisseur 02/08/2014 at 12:34

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They can just by getting the fuck out of the passing lane.

DatHoonDoe > The Transporter 02/08/2014 at 12:42

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Well Motortrend rated the Accord higher than the Fusion on mostly everything (steering, ride, etc) except looks in their midsize shootout. So unless they really, really like the looks of the Fusion I don't see the need for a change.

Always Winning > The Transporter 02/08/2014 at 12:44

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Hey, I'm no authority on cars by any stretch of the imagination but I don't think it's a bold claim to say that a Camry is more reliable than a Fusion (especially when the data is there in support).

As for warranty repairs, they're still repairs. Nobody wants to have to take their car to a dealer to have something repaired.

As for the kinks being worked out, the '12 Fusion had fewer reports than the '13 Fusion. It would seem that the Fusion, and the hybrid especially which only had one '12 report, is getting worse.

justregisteralready > Gtuned 02/08/2014 at 12:46

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Lexus that did that one.

Always Winning > DeeVeeOus 02/08/2014 at 12:47

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You can see for yourself: gas tanks being replaced, peeling paint, broken GPS, lots of trim pieces falling off http://www.truedelta.com/Ford-Fusion/pr… Consumers don't want to deal with that.

DirtyBlueshirt > msmola2002 02/08/2014 at 12:55

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You win for "twatwaffles".

I'm still a fan of "twunt", however.