Quick question

"bob and john" (bobandjohn)
02/06/2014 at 22:47 • Filed to: None

I have a weird affliction for the volvo v70r, but the used prices in canada are insane.

then i stumbled upon a 2009 V50 R-Design with a stick, AWD, and a 2.5L engine.
does anyone know if these motors have turbos on them? because if so, its pretty much a V70r ....but slightly smaller and newer.

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that is the car in question

DISCUSSION (39)

Brian Silvestro > bob and john
02/06/2014 at 22:49

Automatch told me to stay away from the V70R because the AWDriveshaft or something likes to explode. I don't know about the R-Design though.

alexotics > bob and john
02/06/2014 at 22:50

Yes it's a turbo. No idea on whether it's reliable but they've put them in a lot of cars and I've yet to hear anything terrible. Buy the car. She's a beaut. Also, hi there fellow Canadian.

bob and john > Brian Silvestro
02/06/2014 at 22:50

thats why i'm asking around. i am in no position of afford a car, but i want to stay informed XD

bob and john > alexotics
02/06/2014 at 22:51

I wish i could buy it XD I'm in lakehead for mechanical engineering, and i have a grand total of 800$ to my name.

Brian Silvestro > bob and john
02/06/2014 at 22:52

Well now you know. Maybe if you ask this question sometime during the day tomorrow, automatch will bless you with his wagon knowledge.

Textured Soy Protein > bob and john
02/06/2014 at 22:52

It's a turbo, but 227 hp instead of 300 in the V70R.

bob and john > Textured Soy Protein
02/06/2014 at 22:54

ah. well a chip should fix that nicely, no?

alexotics > bob and john
02/06/2014 at 22:54

Where there's a will there's a way. Looks like you're on the right path!

bob and john > alexotics
02/06/2014 at 22:54

yea. only 4 more years of uni to go! (i'm in first year ATM)

alexotics > bob and john
02/06/2014 at 23:00

Enjoy the living daylights out of it. 1st year was my most memorable, even though I was driving a piece of junk on wheels. But that had nothing to do with it. Now I drive a 911 on weekends and a nice E30 during the week but sit in a cubicle all day. You win some, you lose some. :)

EL_ULY > Brian Silvestro
02/06/2014 at 23:03

Lol, i've never seen that happen. Trust me, im a Volvo doctor :] S70 awd's on the hand, i've those go twice

bob and john > alexotics
02/06/2014 at 23:04

ehhh. I dont have a car. period. my only mode of motorized transport os my motorcycle, which A) parents helped me buy and B) is back down in toronto DX

Brian Silvestro > EL_ULY
02/06/2014 at 23:05

You're the doctor of everything, aren't you? (insert oral sex joke here). Are the V70R's fairly reliable then? I've always wanted to buy one if I found one in a manual.

Textured Soy Protein > bob and john
02/06/2014 at 23:06

Pretty sure there's more to the R motor than just a different engine tune. From a quick look around you can bump that up to like 275 hp ish with a chip. There's other stuff available like intakes, intercoolers, exhausts, bigger turbos, etc. Decent amount of parts.

The most recent S40/V50/C70 actually shares its platform with the 2nd gen Ford Focus (which North America didn't get) and 1st gen Mazda 3 so there's a fair amount of parts out there. The Focus RS has a version of the Volvo I5.

EL_ULY > bob and john
02/06/2014 at 23:07

Any deeper questions let me know. I'm an ex Volvo master tech and current Volvo parts master.

Lexus, Aston Martin, Mercedes, Lotus, and 80's 90's BMW's as well :]

bob and john > EL_ULY
02/06/2014 at 23:09

what are the main differences between these motors and the one in the v70r /s60r? there has got to be a reason the detuned it down from 300 to 227....

EL_ULY > Brian Silvestro
02/06/2014 at 23:16

They are picky as far as "regular" maintenance. Common things are the front and rear liquid filled motor mounts. Right motor mount and upper torque mount as well. The big thing is the flame trap box. Crankcase has to be negative bar. 0 bar is your cue to replace the flame box and both nipples before the crankcase builds positive pressure. If so, it will need the front seals amd rear head seals and caps. Timing belt need changing at 10 years or 100k. Now suspension. Spring seats go out way too quick. Front and rear bushings on the control are very common as well. Unfortunately so are the Four-C shocks. Fairly expensive each. Only other things are the leak derection pump, SAS sensor, cv boots (front), column lock, and other tid bits. Gotta pay to play. A car like that just has to be perfect in my eyes.
Im here for ya buddy. Mercedes, Aston Martin, Lexus duh, and late 80's and 90's BMW's as well :]

Brian Silvestro > EL_ULY
02/06/2014 at 23:17

Jesus that's a lot of little stuff. I am getting an Aston Martin sometime in life, so you better still be on oppo when that happens. I'll an obscene amount of questions.

EL_ULY > bob and john
02/06/2014 at 23:24

S60 V70 R are just a higher boost and mapping AWD version of the 2.5T found in their regular versions along with XC70/90 and S80. The motor on the C70, S40, C30,V50 is the T5 which is a boosted version of the 2.4. VVT is different. Crankcase ventilation is the biggest difference. That will be a big difference maintenance wise. The T5 in that V50 was still used in cars up to 2014. The 2.5T was stopped in 09.

EL_ULY > Brian Silvestro
02/06/2014 at 23:25

Lol no problem buddy

bob and john > EL_ULY
02/06/2014 at 23:31

ah,. so to get that motor from 227 to, lets say, 350 would take a lot more then just a chip, intake and exhaust then? a new turbo + intercooler?

EL_ULY > bob and john
02/06/2014 at 23:53

Not entirely. Im was never an expert on tunning cars but I suspected with a modified intake plenum, large intercooler, boost control, exhaust plumbing work, and a good on dyno engine remap you can get that 350hp. Not turbo swap needed.

bob and john > EL_ULY
02/06/2014 at 23:55

hmm. ok then. looks like i have something new i need to keep my eye out for.

2nd question. the space ball. would i it hard to retro fit it? I like spaceballs

EL_ULY > bob and john
02/07/2014 at 00:01

with enough money sure, but unfortunately it's a completely different shift mechanism

bob and john > EL_ULY
02/07/2014 at 00:03

...oh.

dam. that sucks.

maybe i can get a 3d print and scaner and someone make my own. thanks for the tips!

EL_ULY > Brian Silvestro
02/07/2014 at 00:09

oh and Lotus, god how I loath those things :] I've been in the car repair biz for a good long while now. Trust me when I say that those are the worst, THE WORST most unreliable things ever (not including the Toyota engines).

Brian Silvestro > EL_ULY
02/07/2014 at 07:52

Wait, so the Toyota-engined ones are reliable/easy to fix?

Fistacufs > bob and john
02/07/2014 at 08:25

If I were you I would give the v50 a pass. Test drove one back in the day, it was heavy had no steering feel and the tc vsc couldnt be disabled fully. To make things worse the trans was a piece and it was IMPOSSIBLE to heel toe. If for some reason this doesnt deter you the awd system only sends around 20% of its power to the rear
wheels and adds 300lbs of bloat. Keep looking for a nice v70r they are around.

EL_ULY > Brian Silvestro
02/07/2014 at 09:17

It's everything else that goes to hell with those things. Door cards, window regulators, key lock cylinders, ALL ELECTRICAL components, trim, trim, TRIM! Power steering, a/c (under dash), and all these little thing that are already worn or coming apart since they were brand new. Along with Aston, the words "Handcrafted in England" is probably the scariest words you want to see on a car. Car enthusiast's panties get all wet if they see that but trust me, run as far as you can if you see that sign.

Brian Silvestro > EL_ULY
02/07/2014 at 09:20

Damn, I like those cars too. At least you're here if I ever happen to "come into ownership" of one.

EL_ULY > Brian Silvestro
02/07/2014 at 09:25

They are amazing vehicles don't get me wrong, i'd get one in a heartbeat, it's just the little things. It's not as bad on Astons, it's older Lotus (early Evora and down) that you should be weary about. Also, Lotus parts have been on a huge discontinued spree. You can't get stuff for them hardly. Volvo also on the 90's cars.

Brian Silvestro > EL_ULY
02/07/2014 at 09:31

An Elise was the first car I'd buy in that price range. Now I'm not so sure.

EL_ULY > Brian Silvestro
02/07/2014 at 09:35

It'd be fine, just keep a good eye on the little things. Think like Wheeler Dealers when shopping. The driveline is solid and hella fun to drive (once the tires are warm) But yes, those little things are what might be an issue on some, but not all.

Brian Silvestro > EL_ULY
02/07/2014 at 09:39

Don't worry, you'll be my expert consultant. Expect "Is this one good?!" and "How about this one?!" or "This one is purple, it has to be good" for every listing I send. This is still years in the future, however.

EL_ULY > Brian Silvestro
02/07/2014 at 09:43

I'lll be here dude, i'll make a note to post pics of the English side of my dealer more often. Shiny cars in sales AND torn down stuff in the shop :]

Brian Silvestro > EL_ULY
02/07/2014 at 09:45

Yeah I keep forgetting that you work at such an awesome place, and never post pictures of it. You should do more of that.

EL_ULY > Brian Silvestro
02/07/2014 at 09:49

gimmie 10 minutes :]

Brian Silvestro > EL_ULY
02/07/2014 at 09:50

OH SHIT HERE WE GO

bob and john > Fistacufs
02/07/2014 at 16:00

i'm not saying they arent, but mother of god are they expensive (here)

that v50 was 20k for 85000km

a v70r would be same price for double the KM count