How GM Could Raise SS Sales.

"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno)
11/29/2014 at 20:11 • Filed to: None

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This is pretty simple really, and could actually make it a competitor of the Charger on all levels.

First, change the name. Call the damn thing Commodore like it actually is.

Second, there needs to be more trim levels. Everything from LS to SS.

LS:

3.6L V6 pair to 6-speed manual or automatic

Cloth seats with manual adjustment

Smaller MyLink radio screen and no navigation, optional full-size screen

Standard Commodore fascias

Starts at $25k to undercut the Charger

1LT:

3.6L V6 paired to 6-speed manual or auto

Cloth seats with power drivers seat, optional leather w/ heaters

Standard full-size MyLink screen, optional Navigation

Optional sunroof

Standard backup camera, optional sensors w/ alert package

Fog lights

Starts at $28.5k

2LT:

Same as 1LT, but with 6.2L V8

Optional MagRide

Optional RS Appearance package (to look like SS)

Starts at $30k

LTZ:

3.6L V6 or 6.2L V8, 6-speed auto only

MagRide optional on V6, standard on V8.

Standard heated Leather with driver and passenger power adjustment

Standard Full-size MyLink with Navigation

Optional Sunroof

Fog lights front and rear

Standard Front and rear parking sensors, backup camera

Optional Driver alert package

Optional RS appearance package

Starts at $35k for V6, $38k for V8.

SS:

6.2L V8, 6-speed manual only

Standard MagRide w/ track mode

Leather w/alacantara inserts in seats and on steering wheel/shifter.

Optional Competition front seats from Corvette

MyLink with performance data recorder

Performance brakes

Optional active exhaust

Optional Sunroof

Starts at $45k

Third, MARKET THE DAMN THING. How do you think Dodge sells so many Chargers? Because they market the shit out of them. I don't think I've seen a single commercial for the SS.

Fourth, when production comes to a close on Oz, bring it to America. This car is too good to kill off after so little model years in America.

These are just what I think will work. And yes, this is what bored me does.

DISCUSSION (100)

CAcoalminer > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 20:15

Would bored you also like to figure out how to turn Aston Martin around?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 20:16

Marketing is the biggest one.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > CAcoalminer
11/29/2014 at 20:18

Make an entry level model for 65k, differentiate the front ends, and a compact, sporty SUV.

BrownMiataDieselWagon > CAcoalminer
11/29/2014 at 20:19

Lawsuit against Ford.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/29/2014 at 20:19

So do what Porsche does. :p

CAcoalminer > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/29/2014 at 20:20

Hmm... So Boxster/Cayman and Cayenne competitors?

Funktheduck > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 20:20

I think a name change and trim levels could definitely help. I forget it's on sale until someone on here mentions it. I like the understated looks but a lot of people want their fast v8s to look like fast v8s. I think we (jalop community) are in the minority on that end.

The problem with going up against the charger is Chevy already has a car in that segment.

In the end this is the same company that knowingly put out deadly products and didn't care. Not known for the best decision making.

Scary__goongala! > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 20:21

Marketing is definitely a major factor. I am sure quite a number of enthusiasts don't know about the thing, let alone the general public.

CAcoalminer > BrownMiataDieselWagon
11/29/2014 at 20:21

Tinfoil Hat in a thunderstorm, now with added diecast > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 20:21

Get 'em while their hot, this is an endangered animal! Production of the commodore is going to finish for good in 2017 IIRC and NO equivalent to replace it, car manufacturing in Australia is just about done sadly.

Edit; just r&-read and notice you refer to the end of production coming, but only two years left now :(

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > CAcoalminer
11/29/2014 at 20:21

First, partner with another company. Which they've already done with AMG (IIRC)

Second, scrap everything. I mean everything. Throw out the V12 that is essentially two Duratecs glued together. The V8. The chassis. EVERYTHING.

Third, let ze Germans do everything under the body. Use AMG's V12 in the larger touring cars, and AMG's smaller V8 under the Vantage cars. Use Benz's Satnav system and all other electronics. Put the first model on the AMG GT's chassis.

Fourth, design the same beautiful bodies that put them back on the map in the early 2000s. Though update them all so they don't all look similar but with bits and pieces pulled here and there.

Fifth, Profit. And actually being able to seel your products in the US with updated safety regulations.

BrownMiataDieselWagon > CAcoalminer
11/29/2014 at 20:23

They don't need turning around. They should just sue Ford for stealing their grill design to solve their financial woes.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 20:23

I agree with you, but after the SS, there needs to be a higher package to compete with the Hellcat. LT4 with a manual. That is what it needs.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
11/29/2014 at 20:24

Even if it is a niche model, just throw it into the family commercial somewhere. Though an individual commercial would do it wonders. Even just it bombing down a mountain road with a Charger SRT trailing in the distance.

CAcoalminer > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 20:24

Exactly what I was thinking. In fact, I think Mercedes should buy them outright so that Aston won't have to worry about CAFE requirements as much.

CAcoalminer > BrownMiataDieselWagon
11/29/2014 at 20:25

That would be a bandaid on a gunshot wound.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
11/29/2014 at 20:27

They need to drop the LT1 and LT4 in here, with their respective 7 and 8 speed transmissions.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > CAcoalminer
11/29/2014 at 20:28

I almost wanna say this is going to happen at some point. Aston doesn't have the product range to survive on their own.

JustWaitingForAMate > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 20:28

So pretty much transplant the entire Commodore range into GM's lineup? I've been saying this ever since they decided to export the VF to you guys.

BrownMiataDieselWagon > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 20:28

Calling it "Commodore" would just add to the confusion since it's already sold to police as the Chevy Caprice. I think they should just call it the Chevy Caprice since "Commodore" is a Holden nameplate anyway.

CAcoalminer > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 20:29

Very true.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > JustWaitingForAMate
11/29/2014 at 20:29

Basically.

scoob > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 20:30

Ooh ooh, now do Mitsubishi!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > BrownMiataDieselWagon
11/29/2014 at 20:31

I feel like Caprice would make people think back to the huge B-Bodies of the 90s. Commodore would at least be fresh name over here without any stigma.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 20:31

And since we are stating things GM won't do, why don't they throw in a Duramax for good measure? For the environmentally concerned customers.

Alex from Toronto > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 20:31

How bout start selling it in Canada first.

BrownMiataDieselWagon > CAcoalminer
11/29/2014 at 20:32

That was my weak attempt at satire. Fun fact: Ford actually owns 8% of Aston Martin so I guess that would include some IP?

CAcoalminer > BrownMiataDieselWagon
11/29/2014 at 20:33

I should have guessed.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 20:41

That's what cracked me up so much. I saw a commercial for the Ford SUV/CUV lineup a few days ago, and it was Escape, Edge, Explorer, Expedition, Transit minivan.

Transit. Minivan. No Flex. But a Transit minivan.

ly2v8-Brian > BrownMiataDieselWagon
11/29/2014 at 20:44

Caprice is based on the longer Statesman.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > scoob
11/29/2014 at 20:46

Ooh, that a toughie.

First, Develop new engines. DOHC and direct injected V6 (3.0L to 3.5L) and I4 (1.5L to 2.5L). Develop new transmissions. If you're going to stick with CVTs, make them good. If not, 6 or 7 speed dual clutch auto. Develop new adjustable architecture ala VW's MLB to put under everything.

Second, Slowly update everything in their current US lineup. Upgrade interior and exterior materials and design. Have a common design cue throughout the lineup, stick with something like the samurai grille.

Third, expand your lineup. Add a Mid-sized sedan, fullsize sedan, compact crossover based on the Mirage, Add the Shogun and L200 back to the US lineup. Maybe a coupe based on the Lancer called Eclipse.

Fourth, create a halo car. This would be the Evo. Develop a Turbocharged I4 based on the new I4 architecture. Also develop a new AWD system that uses both a 6-speed manual or the 7-speed dual clutch.

Fifth, increase the amount of dealers nationwide. At least three in every major city.

Sixth, once you have that all down and are making money, start experimenting with hybrid tech. And don't try to one-off it like Toyota does the Prius. Just make hybrid versions of cars already in the lineup.

Seventh, profit and you're back in the US.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
11/29/2014 at 20:47

*facepalm*

John Norris (AngryDrifter) > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 21:16

In order to generate profit the US Dollar to Australian Dollar exchange rate has to be favorable. It hasn't been great since they started importing the GTO in 2004. The more expensive models have a greater profit margin. Therefore you can't make the economics on the lower end models work out with the slimmer profit margin when the currency is working against you. A little bit of negative change in the dollar exchange wipes out the slim profit margin.

Kinja'd!!!

shop-teacher > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 21:16

I like it. All of it.

ranwhenparked > BrownMiataDieselWagon
11/29/2014 at 21:33

The Chevy Caprice is a rebadged Holden Caprice, the SS is the Commodore. Same platform, but different cars - the Caprice is a bit larger.

Axial > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 21:47

I would rather they modify the Impala's bodywork to fit on this platform, drop the current Impala, call this the Impala, and make SS the top trim level.

Because the Impala is gorgeous and the SS is not.

Vicente Esteve > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/29/2014 at 22:13

Making burnouts inside the dealerships.

That would attract people.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/29/2014 at 23:04

More or less.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > CAcoalminer
11/29/2014 at 23:05

More Macan than Cayenne.

CAcoalminer > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
11/29/2014 at 23:11

I see.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 02:03

Agreed. I know I want it to happen. I love me some "British" cars.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 02:09

Or call it a Caprice? Then a range topper to compete with the Hellcat could be a Z-spec.

SolitudeTM > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 05:56

They also need a top trim to compete with Hellcat. Although it is not quite as powerful as the Hellcat, I believe VXR8 GTS with SC is available in other parts of world. 576HP. I would buy it in a heartbeat if it were available with 6MT. It would be a perfect daily driver. :D

SolitudeTM > BrownMiataDieselWagon
11/30/2014 at 06:00

I actually own a 2013 Caprice(I work in Saudi Arabia and they are sold as Chevy Caprice here). It's a nice daily driver with lots of power from 6.0 V8. It's also big enough to be chauffeured in.

Anyway, it is correct that Caprice and Commodore, although on a same platform, are two different cars.

Doug > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 09:38

I recently test drove one and they just need to change the trans the 8 speed out of the Corvette would be great improvement and the only thing it needs. It can be had a lower price with the discounts they are willing to give out.

QQXQXL123 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 09:43

The key is "bring production to the USA". With that done the exchange rate issue that's stopping GM from selling this car in big numbers disappears. Everything else will then follow.

jimz > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 09:44

by the time they'd be able to get all of that in production, the Commodore would be in its final year. Not worth it unless they move production elsewhere.

The Old Man from Scene 24 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 09:46

I considered a Caprice PPV with a V-6, but my insurance agent wasn't able to offer me a quote on it because it wasn't in their database.

CALUSA > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 09:49

GO AND RACE WITH IT! Look at the V8 Supercars, everyone wants a Volvo V8 right now or a V8 Ford (at least, I do).

Fisheriesguy925 > John Norris (AngryDrifter)
11/30/2014 at 09:49

Also his pricing is way off. If you take his example that is most comprable to the SS for sale now, LTZ V8, he is about $8,000 less than the current msrp. While I agree that it would be nice for Chevy to have a Charger competitor it just not possible with the current production of the Commdore/SS. Also, all GM manufacturing in Australia will end in 2017 and the rumor is the Opel Insignia/Buick Regal is going to replace the Commodore. Sorry, but this is death of the moderately affordable full size V8 RWD sedan from GM.

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11/30/2014 at 09:51

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Fisheriesguy925 > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
11/30/2014 at 09:51

The caprice is actually a long wheelbase version of the older commodore platform. I think there is enough of a difference between the caprice and commodore to justify different names.

jalop1991 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 09:52

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FIFY.

1337HPMustang > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 09:54

It would also get more exposure in car mags since they'd review all the trims and stick them all in comparos. I think I remember reading only one review of the car at this point... also they need a zl1 with 700 hp :)

JeffyNocare > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 09:56

Time to dust off the Chevy Cavalier Z 24 nameplate.

HeyZeuS > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 09:57

things like "economics", "business models", and "exchange rates" preclude any of this from ever happening. sorry to burst your bubble

Brian Stieh > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 09:58

call it the caprice. Offer it in a station wagon. People would buy it because they are reminiscent of their childhood.

Call the SS version the Impala SS and go back to the ad campaign of "Lord Vader your Car is Ready" for 2015.

shop-teacher > John Norris (AngryDrifter)
11/30/2014 at 09:59

True, but I think that's the best arguement for moving production to the US.

Have Jeep, will travel. > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:00

Lifetime GM guy, this should have been the new Impala, but GM for whatever reason we will never know, passed on it. Caprice is a good name but yes, does recall images of the bloated cars that last graced the name plate. With that thinking Impala is equally damaged. Chevelle still rings a good bell though with us car guys.

Clown Shoe Pilot > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:01

Kinja'd!!!

Website photographs were taken at COTA (zip code 78617). No cars available within 250 miles.

PardonMyFlemish16 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:02

Charger sales are in freefall

As awesome as a Chevy E39 is, it's just not a viable business model, even with more range.

472CID > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:05

I mostly agree with this but...

a) Call it an Impala, and free up the Malibu to be GM's star fwd sedan

b) The Charger doesn't really sell that well (especially retail), big rwd V8 cars are probably always going be be niche cars from now on. I'd love to be wrong, but I don't see them ever being big sellers again.

c) This is what bored me does too, you're not alone.

Old-Busted-Hotness > John Norris (AngryDrifter)
11/30/2014 at 10:06

So you ship all the tooling to Mexico. It's not like the Aussies are gonna need it after 2016.

g8v84life > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:06

I'll keep the Pontiac but very good ideas here. Your right on the marketing, I see charger and challenger ads everywhere but not SS commercial at all

ThatbastardKurtis > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:06

1: No Commodore, people will think of the RnB group and start envision Lionel Ritchie singing "Brick House" and "Zoom"

2: Call it what it needs to be called. The Impala. Whatever iteration the Impala is now, kill it, and call this the car. And the high performance version should be called the Impala SS. Yes, those were the days. Use heritage—-link it to the 90s Impala SS, and the 60s Impala SS

3: facelift. The car looks like the Chevy Cruze. Which is only good for sleeper car status. Give it some mean-ness. Some attitude. Not too much, we don't need the car to look like the pissed off lunch lady in High School that doubled at night as an illegal cage fighter.

4: Emphasize handling—-and how it handles much better than the Charger.

honor first > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:06

they aren't spending a lot of money with a bunch of different trim levels therefore requiring them to stock many more parts for a car that won't exist in a few years when Holden closes

Herr Quattro - Has a 4-Motion > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:14

Somebody give this guy a job @ GM.

(Also, Supercharged LT4 version @ 450 HP, to allow it open to tuning, but leave it below the corvette & Camaro)

Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:16

Yes Yes Yes Yes.

Gixxer750 > John Norris (AngryDrifter)
11/30/2014 at 10:23

Well then we're just gonna have to invade Australia next!

tuanies > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:28

They tried this with the G8, it didn't work the first time...

UncleAlex > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:35

I like the name Commodore. While serving with the military in Germany in the mid 70's, I had a 1968 Opel Commodore GS. Awesome car. Inline 6 with dual 2 barrels and a 4 speed. Rally wheels, sunroof, beautiful dark blue with a black top. Very quick and agile. One of my favorites.

Analyticus > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:38

Hopefully at least one of those option packages includes a front suspension that doesn't shake itself to pieces, as happened to too many of the GTOs and G8s (including mine currently).

SSexy > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:39

MARKET THE DAMN THING - It's Chevy's NASCAR. How much more exposure do you need than that?

Phantomlimb > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:39

Commodore is a great name for a car.

Phantomlimb > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:41

They should have an available 6.4 liter engine then it could be called a Commodore 6.4

soundman98 > BrownMiataDieselWagon
11/30/2014 at 10:43

just bring it to the US as the Holden Commodore! there might be a good amount of people that buy cars based on previous experience with the nameplate, but with all of gm's flaws, i think there would be more people willing to try buying a Holden if they don't realize it was part of the GM family...

soundman98 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:45

i don't think companies have any clue how to advertise for sports cars in america. the toyobaru's are in the exact same boat as the SS... even the miata gets very little TV-time..

yourfavoritebandsucks > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:46

Put the new Z06 engine/trans in it and compete with the Charger Hellcat.

Slighty_Less_Cooler_190e > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:46

Marketing is a huge one. I saw one and only one in July and didn't know they were released yet. They should see if police departments are willing to make the switch.

Develop a 2LT Trim level and add the police modifications. Have several large departments make the purchases and watch everyone who gets pulled over, suddenly want one. Free publicity and you got paid for the advertising. Win win.

valKbau5 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 10:50

I don't see this generation of the Commodore / SS living longer than the current Camaro that's based on it. The Commodore VE/VF is 8 years old by now and by the time they're killing it off, it'll be 11 years old.

elvinrivera > BrownMiataDieselWagon
11/30/2014 at 10:58

Commodore, Caprice, Impala, or Malibu, they're all wrong. Calling it a Commodore is a slap in the face to the Australians. Bad enough GM is taking away their auto industry there. Let them keep their history without having to add an asterix to explain how GM took the name too. Caprices will always be overbloated land yachts to me. Let the cops keep that one. Impala and Malibu have already been slapped on a FWD POSs so moving either of them over to a RWD "Sport Sedan" brings confusion and unwanted baggage to the new car. Talk about an asterix. As far as Chevy "SS", that's just a cheap trick, a Bait & Switch. We all know that when we hear SS we think Super Sport, not Sport Sedan. GM is cheapening that badge by doing it.

My suggestion is to bring back the Chevelle name, with the top of the line being the Super Sport. Those were great muscle cars in their day. I think it's a perfect choice. It evokes both Chevy's muscle car past and Nascar. Win.......Win!!

Kinja'd!!!

mr.ed > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 11:02

Our local police have had terrible results from their Chargers. They can't be the only ones who've had to call for a ride home after the tranny fails. If the Commodore's at least as reliable as their Tauruses, Chevy could have a market for more production in the western hemisphere.

AU production will end on most everything in the near future, so the Commodore's history if there's no market in the US, and there's almost none now.

The new Impala's supposed to be a great car. Is there a real police version, or has GM given up on it, happy with selling SUV's?

EntropicRR > elvinrivera
11/30/2014 at 11:02

*asterisk

regaleagle > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 11:05

I like this article, i don't have any interest in this particular car but it's coming around. Does Chevy sale a ton of new base models to rental car companies as well?

EntropicRR > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
11/30/2014 at 11:07

I didn't know anyone with a Duramax was concerned with the environment. But I'm down with a 600hp SS that's got over 1000 lb/ft of twist.

cream wobbly > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 11:10

They also need this:

SSkinflint

2.5 L twin turbo Diesel V6, manual, normal suspension that doesn't go wrong, leather interior because it's harder wearing in the long run which is what I'll be keeping the thing for, built-in dashcam, built-in cradle for ~5" phones, brakes, exhaust, sunroof, roofbars, estate, narrow tyres on steel wheels to save fuel and get ridiculous mileage.

What? Am I not allowed a nice car just because I want to save money?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > EntropicRR
11/30/2014 at 11:10

Think of it as the "Clean Diesel" model.

Kanaric > Scary__goongala!
11/30/2014 at 11:12

Well it's not exactly a car targeted at enthusiast. It's audience is would be 5 series buyers.

EntropicRR > cream wobbly
11/30/2014 at 11:13

Wagon variation a must.

EntropicRR > QQXQXL123
11/30/2014 at 11:14

*Mexico

FDAsh > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 11:17

Not sure they'll sell too many of them in Germany with that name...

EntropicRR > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
11/30/2014 at 11:19

Fair enough, my diesel certainly cleans out my pockets.

Mustang 'DontHitTheCrowd' GT > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 11:19

Or make it look at least somewhat interesting!

DoYouEvenShift > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 11:20

Simple. Change the name to Impala SS and market it

Kid Cars > Kanaric
11/30/2014 at 11:23

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to disagree there. I think most 5-series buyers would look at MB, Audi, even Lexus before the SS. Partly for the badge alone.

DoYouEvenShift > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 11:24

Somehow still a GM fan? Well isn't that a fine how do you do. Elaborate on your jab sir or madam.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > EntropicRR
11/30/2014 at 11:24

What diesel do you drive?

Kanaric > Kid Cars
11/30/2014 at 11:27

I'm saying would be, like they would if they have the money for the one they wanted. It's targeting people who want a large sedan with a lot of power like a M5.

didgers > Old-Busted-Hotness
11/30/2014 at 11:31

GM already has Zeta platform tooling in Oshawa, Canada where they make the current Camaro, so maybe they could continue the SS there. How's the Canadian Dollar against the U.S.?

wqg79410@soisz.com > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
11/30/2014 at 11:31

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